Will MagSorc posts surprised by Nerfmire crash the Forums?

idrankyourbeer · October 2018

Artim_X wrote: »

*Goes into a dungeon as a sorc healer and activates overload* Where's my 3rd bar? WHERE'S MY 3RD BAR!?

In regards to PvE I think sorcs who used the 3rd bar will be taken aback by this change in particular.

wait. whats going on with overload? im pissed off already that they decided to gimp the shields. pissed me off last year when they gimped magic regen. if they dispose of my 3rd bar i am officially done with this game.

such a shame. just got my grand master crafter and got to cp 777 too. 3 more levels to go, but i dont even care. maybe ill just deposit everything of any value i own into a guild bank and call it a day. looks like these guys just decided that i cant have fun anymore. if your idea of balancing is to nerf a class into the ground just to make another class look appealing just to get me to play that instead, no thanks. im not having any of that. im not going to bother readjusting my setup and build and everything just to have it get nerfed as well. ive already been there, done that. ive put way too many hours into this game already to be dicked around like this. im done.

Vahrokh · October 2018

idrankyourbeer wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

*Goes into a dungeon as a sorc healer and activates overload* Where's my 3rd bar? WHERE'S MY 3RD BAR!?

In regards to PvE I think sorcs who used the 3rd bar will be taken aback by this change in particular.

wait. whats going on with overload? im pissed off already that they decided to gimp the shields. pissed me off last year when they gimped magic regen. if they dispose of my 3rd bar i am officially done with this game.

such a shame. just got my grand master crafter and got to cp 777 too. 3 more levels to go, but i dont even care. maybe ill just deposit everything of any value i own into a guild bank and call it a day. looks like these guys just decided that i cant have fun anymore. if your idea of balancing is to nerf a class into the ground just to make another class look appealing just to get me to play that instead, no thanks. im not having any of that. im not going to bother readjusting my setup and build and everything just to have it get nerfed as well. ive already been there, done that. ive put way too many hours into this game already to be dicked around like this. im done.

Yes, ZOS have destroyed sorcs completely, they did it so diligently that they managed to remove the third bar as well.

Any kind of utility and uniqueness we had, is gone.

idrankyourbeer · October 2018

man i just did some more searching and yeah it seems to be true. theyre removing the bar. once again its the nerf that nobody ever asked for, but they seem to think that everybody needs!

looks like everything is getting nerfed. not just sorcs. but magsorc seems to be getting gimped the hardest. great job zos. keep patting yourselves on the back here and giving me more reasons to not invest another penny on ESO+ or even bother with the game much anymore. it was a good run, but i think ill be moving on. i have plenty of other games to play where the main focus isnt to take away the enjoyment people can get out of the game after each patch, and basically make the characters theyve spent hundreds of hours on useless overnight. no thanks

im curious to know their actual reasoning behind this. did one of the developers go into a public game in cyrodil and get zerged down by a group of magsorc's and decided to hell with you all! even all you guys who spend 99% of your time in PvE. No more fun for any of you! Or are they just so incompetant that their way of 'balancing' a class is to just gimp the rest of the classes because after all of these years, they still cant figure out how to actually improve on the classes that really need to be buffed?

MakeMeUhSamich · October 2018

idrankyourbeer wrote: »

man i just did some more searching and yeah it seems to be true. theyre removing the bar. once again its the nerf that nobody ever asked for, but they seem to think that everybody needs!

looks like everything is getting nerfed. not just sorcs. but magsorc seems to be getting gimped the hardest. great job zos. keep patting yourselves on the back here and giving me more reasons to not invest another penny on ESO+ or even bother with the game much anymore. it was a good run, but i think ill be moving on. i have plenty of other games to play where the main focus isnt to take away the enjoyment people can get out of the game after each patch, and basically make the characters theyve spent hundreds of hours on useless overnight. no thanks

im curious to know their actual reasoning behind this. did one of the developers go into a public game in cyrodil and get zerged down by a group of magsorc's and decided to hell with you all! even all you guys who spend 99% of your time in PvE. No more fun for any of you! Or are they just so incompetant that their way of 'balancing' a class is to just gimp the rest of the classes because after all of these years, they still cant figure out how to actually improve on the classes that really need to be buffed?

I feel ya. I’d be even more leary of this update if I utilized a 3rd bar. I just never found it useful for the PVE stuff I tend to do. Really sucks for those that do use it.

Vahrokh · October 2018

Here, the long awaited final Nerfmire video from Alcast.

Now Nerfmire is going to get to the ESO vast public.

You see the copious reactions? I hope the forums will BURN, and incompetents be FIRED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE7j1fb0B1M

DanteYoda · October 2018

I'm quitting in Nov, just cancelled ESO+ games unplayable (500 ping daily now) and its not because of magsorc but warden nerfs.. Arctic blast and bear were the final nails for me.

That said i think most people know by now that Nov ESO patch will be garbage just from word of mouth in guilds, and our guilds have diminished since the patch notes were dropped, a lot of guildies have already left..

Murkmire will not be enough imo to help the nerfs..

D0PAMINE · October 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'm quitting in Nov, just cancelled ESO+ games unplayable (500 ping daily now) and its not because of magsorc but warden nerfs.. Arctic blast and bear were the final nails for me.

That said i think most people know by now that Nov ESO patch will be garbage just from word of mouth in guilds, and our guilds have diminished since the patch notes were dropped, a lot of guildies have already left..

Murkmire will not be enough imo to help the nerfs..

I believe most of us are getting to this point.

Ozazz · October 2018

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Shields are now stronger on the pts than they are on live. Plenty of videos proving it. You cried so much that not only did you prevent needed balance changes. You got an OP aspect of your game buffed even further...and you're still crying.

are you delusional, please explain how shields are stronger?

Jameliel · October 2018

At the very least, sorc damage should be greatly increased, so they will at least be true glass cannons. As is, they are now simply being turned into glass or tanky do nothings. Glad mine was my first real main, so at least he's my crafter and can be a storage mule.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

So what's the deal with the Nov patch? I personally haven't heard a thing about it - and I can't do PTS as I don't have the bandwidth to download it.

D0PAMINE · October 2018

Sylvermynx wrote: »

So what's the deal with the Nov patch? I personally haven't heard a thing about it - and I can't do PTS as I don't have the bandwidth to download it.

You'll see

Vahrokh · October 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'm quitting in Nov, just cancelled ESO+ games unplayable (500 ping daily now) and its not because of magsorc but warden nerfs.. Arctic blast and bear were the final nails for me.

That said i think most people know by now that Nov ESO patch will be garbage just from word of mouth in guilds, and our guilds have diminished since the patch notes were dropped, a lot of guildies have already left..

Murkmire will not be enough imo to help the nerfs..

I believe most of us are getting to this point.

And rightly so!

It's not 2014 any more. We are not in alpha, by now ESO should be SOLID and gameplay should be AS advertised.

We did not roll and pay class A to get it turned into class B or class "useless".

Vapirko · October 2018

Mag sorcs will be just fine

MajBludd · October 2018

Why so upset?

Leave or stay, or take a break and come back later, or dont. From what I see the game is on the down hill slope, sadly.

They go crazy with the things they nerf, and I don't play magsorc. When they lose a big part of the player base they will start making "buffs" to try and bring ppl back. Or that's how it usually goes, right?

From my perspective it seems they are in the "cater to the casual" stage. Bring in as much money as fast as you can. Cash out big before the show is over.

smacx250 · October 2018

Aurielle · October 2018

I’m probably just going to play RDR2 and Battlefield until sorcs get fixed. There’s very little besides PVP keeping me in the game at the moment, and performance is at an all time low, so... I’m not interested in doing hardly any damage on my main class because I’ve been forced into heavy armour. There are better options out there.

Strider__Roshin · October 2018

Lylith wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

How are Stam being forced to sacrifice DPS for survivability?

Stam and some tank builds lost all ability to passively dodge damage. Only active roll dodges count.

poor things.

so sad for them.

I hope this is sarcasm. Passively dodging was stupid.

MakeMeUhSamich · October 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'm quitting in Nov, just cancelled ESO+ games unplayable (500 ping daily now) and its not because of magsorc but warden nerfs.. Arctic blast and bear were the final nails for me.

That said i think most people know by now that Nov ESO patch will be garbage just from word of mouth in guilds, and our guilds have diminished since the patch notes were dropped, a lot of guildies have already left..

Murkmire will not be enough imo to help the nerfs..

I believe most of us are getting to this point.

And rightly so!

It's not 2014 any more. We are not in alpha, by now ESO should be SOLID and gameplay should be AS advertised.

We did not roll and pay class A to get it turned into class B or class "useless".

This. I believe it’s the severity of change after YEARS of playing MagSorc that will/is so surprising. It’s not like shields were just introduced and needed a little tweaking.

generalmyrick · October 2018

i Just wanna know how many people are going to leave the game after they give the changes a try?

firedrgn · October 2018

Have u run any dolmens. Lots of new sorcs lvling up. They will either never know the differance or its going to get salty.

TheValar85 · October 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

Here, the long awaited final Nerfmire video from Alcast.

Now Nerfmire is going to get to the ESO vast public.

You see the copious reactions? I hope the forums will BURN, and incompetents be FIRED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE7j1fb0B1M

Yeah i have experiance teh same in PTS this needs to be Gone NOW! i even opened a thread on teh forum to ask zos to reverse teh nerf ASAP. if teh ynot gonna do it i m going ot gather everyone from teh forum and i will pay for their plane tickects including hotel in stay to and we march to @ZOS headquarter and force them perosnaly to reverse this nerfs Every nerfs what sorcerers getting in murkmire.

DanteYoda · October 2018

When the youtubers bring out videos about how bad the changes are you know its going to be bad..

TheValar85 · October 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

When the youtubers bring out videos about how bad the changes are you know its going to be bad..

Not just youtubers knows that

the realy bad thing is @ZOS is keep ignoring these facts. Prooven facts.

TheValar85 · October 2018

firedrgn wrote: »

Have u run any dolmens. Lots of new sorcs lvling up. They will either never know the differance or its going to get salty.

It will be very salty. Most of the ingame palyers are not reading forums nor patch notes or even bother testing on pts. Im not saying no body it is just alot of players dosent do that. And when tehy find out what went down they will reach out the forum and it will burning down to oblivion.

Shantu · October 2018

Unbelievably ignorant decision. That fact is the vast majority of Sorc players can't come anywhere near the performance of those 40-50k dps end game or skilled PVP players. They enjoy playing a Sorc because it gives them an illusion in their game play that they are good and powerful. That illusion is a personal thing and has nothing to do with comparing skills to high level players. Now ZOS will gut that illusion. Not everyone is into high end playing and theory crafting of gear and skills. They just want to have fun playing a game they enjoy. Sorc and their dps and shields gave them that.

These changes are going to *** off a huge segment of the player base. And I see no good reason for any of it. If stacking of shields made Sorc's defenses too strong, then simply nerf the ability to stack. Simple. But as it is, expect a significant exodus from this game. I'll see how it goes, but my mind is already thinking in that direction.

Just plain dumb.

Ackwalan · October 2018

Shield stacking was to strong before. It needed to be adjusted.

Tonturri · October 2018

Ackwalan wrote: »

Shield stacking was to strong before. It needed to be adjusted.

Shield stacking was too weak and inflexible before, and so was not only adjusted mechanically to ease off some of the inflexibility of the defensive mechanic and allow for more build variety, but it was then nerfed to appease the forum folks who aren't as good at the game as they think they are.

MakeMeUhSamich · October 2018

And yet we can still stack shields...albeit weaker ones.

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smarmyguy · November 2018

carlos424 wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Shields are now stronger on the pts than they are on live. Plenty of videos proving it. You cried so much that not only did you prevent needed balance changes. You got an OP aspect of your game buffed even further...and you're still crying.

@MaxJrFTW

I find this fact comical.

You went from Magicka Sorcerers with very low resistances (including crit resist), and shields that saw no mitigation (past CP and protection buffs which are rare on a MagSorc).
When their damage shields dropped due to time or damage (contrary to popular belief you could remove a damage shield with sustained damage forcing the other player into perma defense or death) the MagSorc would MELT.

Now you are going to have MagSorcs with 25k + health and resistances, with damage shields increasing their effective health by 10-12k (stackable ). And it will take MORE effort to kill a magicka Sorcerer than it previously did. Everyone wanted crits on shields not thinking about the fact that it is very rare to run >30-40% crit in PvP. It's a known fact to run 2k+ impen so stacking into crit damage takes too much from your other stats, and gets countered.

So now you have damage shields that are significantly stronger (20-30% more mitigation) against 60-70% of attacks, with an additional 10-20% mitigation on your health. Welcome to the MagSorc TANK meta. Enjoy what you asked for.

It's pretty funny.

I’d be interested to see this “tank sorc” in heavy armor with 25k health, maybe 32k magicka, shield stacking. With no light armor passives will have no sustain and no penetration, no crit. So cast two wards, and maybe 3 or 4 actual dps skills (with that massive 15K dps you have left). Then have to heavy attack a couple times for resources, rinse and repeat. Ya, might be harder to kill but wont do much damage and doesnt really seem like much fun. Not many sorcs rolled a sorc to become a tank, at least not in my experience.

@carlos424

It is going to happen when the meta builds get out there. See my build below. I'm mega tanky this patch in light armour.