Mirage

Skander · October 2018

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

likecats · October 2018

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

Skander · October 2018

likecats wrote: »

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

The other morph gives speed.

and 5% resistence to aoe is A LOT

usmcjdking · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

The other morph gives speed.

and 5% resistence to aoe is A LOT

It would need to gain something in return.

likecats · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

The other morph gives speed.

and 5% resistence to aoe is A LOT

Are we joking here?
If you change it to minor evasion, the entire ability gives less resistance than minor protection (and only for AOE) while costing 3.5k and actually utilizing a bar slot.

The dual wield blade cloak gives exactly the same buffs as double take next patch. Do you want that nerfed as well or just blur?

Like I said, why not root for jabs to ignore major evasion, that way templar will be in a really good place next patch with 8% jab buff.

brandonv516 · October 2018

Why not see how it plays out before asking for more nerfs?

Either way, I suppose you are going to have to because no major changes are happening at this point.

Skander · October 2018

likecats wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

The other morph gives speed.

and 5% resistence to aoe is A LOT

Are we joking here?
If you change it to minor evasion, the entire ability gives less resistance than minor protection (and only for AOE) while costing 3.5k and actually utilizing a bar slot.

The dual wield blade cloak gives exactly the same buffs as double take next patch. Do you want that nerfed as well or just blur?

Like I said, why not root for jabs to ignore major evasion, that way templar will be in a really good place next patch with 8% jab buff.

You miss the part where you must have dual axes for Blade Cloak

I know bleeds are very meta, but someone still plays S&B

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

templesus · October 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

Silver_Strider · October 2018

Use Gossamer and give the buff to 5 other people including yourself.
I do it all the time in PvP and come Murkmire, this set up will be even more effective.

casparian · October 2018

The pressure stamplar can put on heavy magblade with bleeds + DW enchants (I presume OP knows about the massive buff DW enchants get next patch) should mean a stamplar who knows what they're doing can take down a heavy magblade even with the extra mitigation vs. Jabs.

A heavy magblade running Double Take is either giving up Impale, Ele Drain, Shade, or a HOT to make bar space. There's a significant opportunity cost to running Double Take, and they already get Major Expedition from Cripple. Changing it to grant Minor Evasion would mean there is no reason to give up any of those for such a lackluster ability.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2018

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

This is a horribly bad idea. Mirage is fine and heavy is very weak on magblades because it seriously compromises their burst and they’re all about burst.

I think we should be focusing our attention of trying to narrow the gap between Stam & Mag in PvP, not applying any further nerfs to mag characters.

templesus · October 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

Don't agree with all of this tbh. Only gank builds tend to run Mirage in open. Most builds still run double-shield in open on live and tbh, I'm still not sure that Mirage is strong enough to displace one of the shields, especially now that healing ward lost the initial heal, you really need dampen to cover healing so you get some of the healing from it expiring.

Where you would have seen Mirage used is on Stamblades but rending is currently so OP that nobody is going to be running 2h in Murkmire until enchants proccing-off rending is nerfed.

All in all, I can't really see that many people using it besides heavy 1vX Magblade builds which are pretty average and weaker than any Stam build so I don't really see the issue.

templesus · October 2018

lucky_dutch wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

Don't agree with all of this tbh. Only gank builds tend to run Mirage in open. Most builds still run double-shield in open on live and tbh, I'm still not sure that Mirage is strong enough to displace one of the shields, especially now that healing ward lost the initial heal, you really need dampen to cover healing so you get some of the healing from it expiring.

Where you would have seen Mirage used is on Stamblades but rending is currently so OP that nobody is going to be running 2h in Murkmire until enchants proccing-off rending is nerfed.

All in all, I can't really see that many people using it besides heavy 1vX Magblade builds which are pretty average and weaker than any Stam build so I don't really see the issue.

What? I think you misread, I don’t believe that mirage is over performing or anything like that, I was just saying it’s asinine to say things like “magblade can get the aoe reduction on live by using Blade cloak” when virtually no magblade uses DW. I was simply using you as a reference because I remember from another post you saying that melee magblade just isn’t viable anymore.

If you read the last paragraph, I said it doesn’t need to be nerfed at all. And on the case of magblades using mirage, it’s possible it’s platform specific. On PS4 NA I know for a fact (magblade is my second most played character) the meta layout is front: cripple funnel ele drain bow fear soul harvest back: harness/dampen mirage healing ward siphoning shade resto ult/undo

To be frank, I’ve shelfed my magblade. After testing out the new bow proc I have no desire to 1vx on that class anymore.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

templesus wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

Don't agree with all of this tbh. Only gank builds tend to run Mirage in open. Most builds still run double-shield in open on live and tbh, I'm still not sure that Mirage is strong enough to displace one of the shields, especially now that healing ward lost the initial heal, you really need dampen to cover healing so you get some of the healing from it expiring.

Where you would have seen Mirage used is on Stamblades but rending is currently so OP that nobody is going to be running 2h in Murkmire until enchants proccing-off rending is nerfed.

All in all, I can't really see that many people using it besides heavy 1vX Magblade builds which are pretty average and weaker than any Stam build so I don't really see the issue.

What? I think you misread, I don’t believe that mirage is over performing or anything like that, I was just saying it’s asinine to say things like “magblade can get the aoe reduction on live by using Blade cloak” when virtually no magblade uses DW. I was simply using you as a reference because I remember from another post you saying that melee magblade just isn’t viable anymore.

If you read the last paragraph, I said it doesn’t need to be nerfed at all. And on the case of magblades using mirage, it’s possible it’s platform specific. On PS4 NA I know for a fact (magblade is my second most played character) the meta layout is front: cripple funnel ele drain bow fear soul harvest back: harness/dampen mirage healing ward siphoning shade resto ult/undo

To be frank, I’ve shelfed my magblade. After testing out the new bow proc I have no desire to 1vx on that class anymore.

Ah OK you're talking about 1vX builds which are a bit different. Important to remember 1vX players make up like 2% of ESO's PvP population even though they might be the most active on forums.

As to your final point, yes the bow change is brutal for dueling or 1vXing on Magblades (but how have you tested it if you're on PS4?). The class can still work in BGs by playing around your team and chucking bow & Zaan procs on people that are focused on your team mates but that's about it.

It's really sad to see what ZO$ have done to it this patch tbh.

Skander · October 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

Using 3.5k stamina as magicka=death

Skander · October 2018

And people are forgetting:

Heavy STAMBLADES

Free skill for them

Juhasow · October 2018

Change it to minor and stamblade with blackrose dual wield will be even more tanky.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

And people are forgetting:

Heavy STAMBLADES

Free skill for them

They’ll be running dw and blade cloak anyway.

Skander · October 2018

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

And people are forgetting:

Heavy STAMBLADES

Free skill for them

They’ll be running dw and blade cloak anyway.

no they won't

Skander · October 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Change it to minor and stamblade with blackrose dual wield will be even more tanky.

that's 2 skill slots gone

Rikumaru · October 2018

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

Except it's a magicka build in open world, which is always lesser than stamina builds.

Also with how unreliable jabs is, I'm surprised you (or more people) don't run both WB and jabs. Jab's shouldn't ignore AOE damage reduction otherwise your gonna have people complaining about how other skills such as dawnbreaker should also ignore it and then you are going to have the same issue reflective scales had with ZOS changing abilities to ignore one of their defensive mechanics. What jabs should get is a reliable way of landing the skill because when jabs actually works properly, it's a fantastic skill. Maybe increased range / size or something?

Juhasow · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Change it to minor and stamblade with blackrose dual wield will be even more tanky.

that's 2 skill slots gone

So ? I dont see the point in this argument.

Also it would require just 1 additional slot since heavy armor stamblades are using Mirage anyway and with nerfs to major expedition sources I dont even think we can say that it would be "skill slot gone" since quick cloak is viable option for movement. Two slots giving acces to : major expedition , major evasion , minor evasion , minor resolve , minor ward and major protection doesnt look like watse of slot and this is why minor evasion for mirage would be broken.

Also if that AoE dmg reduction would be that broken as You say most of stamina dual wield builds would run blade cloak already but somehow I dont see it being used that often. If that AoE dmg reduction would be that strong I think many magicka builds would preffer to run dual wield and use blade cloak over running 2h with forward momentum which is more expensive to keep high uptime but somehow some people are using it on their magicka builds. Also it's not like for magblades it's pure benefit , they'll get AoE dmg reduction by losing 15% dodge chance so it's less dmg taken from AoEs but more dmg taken from single target abilities.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

Skander wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

And people are forgetting:

Heavy STAMBLADES

Free skill for them

They’ll be running dw and blade cloak anyway.

no they won't

Somebody hasn’t tested infused glyphs with bleeds yet...

arkansas_ESO · October 2018

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

99% of magblades do not already run Mirage open world lol, bar space is way too cramped

katorga · October 2018

NB is the only class with access to 25% aoe reduction as a magicka class or as a magicka dump on a stam class. That is pretty huge.

Haashhtaag · October 2018

usmcjdking wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I think the appropriate buff would be to make Jabs ignore major evasion.
But sure, nerfing an ability to uselessness will generate more forum responses.

No one will use an ability costs 3.5k and only grants 5% resistance to AOE + 1300 physical and spell resistance.

The other morph gives speed.

and 5% resistence to aoe is A LOT

It would need to gain something in return.

the ability already gives minor resolve/ward

Haashhtaag · October 2018

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

And people are forgetting:

Heavy STAMBLADES

Free skill for them

They’ll be running dw and blade cloak anyway.

You're so out of touch with how classes will build. Judging from your other post this is OMEGALUL.

Why would they use an expensive stam skill when they can get it from mag skill plus minor ward/resolve?

templesus · October 2018

lucky_dutch wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Change the Major to Minor.

Or a heavy armor magblade will be untouchable by templars and other AoE specced players alike

Heavy MagBlades can already do this on live with two Swords granting a total 5% damage buff to both AoEs and Single target. With Blade Cloak so... not seeing the point of this. Beside the speed morph is 3-4 seconds. The rest of the time it’s just the base power.

The “they can already do this on live” argument is a blatant black-and-white logical fallacy, and anyone who use it should have their forum priveleges revoked.

Imagine comparing a class ability in blur to having to slot DW on live and use something that costs near 4k stamina on a Magicka character and calling them equal. Have you graduated high school yet?

3780 Stamina for 15 seconds with a recovery of 504 you will have all of that back even bad mages have 1K stamina recovery. A lot of builds use twin Swords so slotting a back bar utility is not hard to think of.

Also it’s not a logical fallacy. Their are three different good ways to reduce AoE damage by 20-25% and they are not OP now two sets and Blade Cloak if it’s not abused now it will not swing wildly in the next patch.

You’re forced to slot DW, which 99% of magblades do not use, @lucky_dutch said himself on another post that melee magblade is not viable, and then you have to spend stamina, which is used for cc break/roll dodge/block, all to get the evasion. Whereas next patch with Mirage, all you have to do is slot a class ability that costs magicka which 99% of magblades already run open world.

Why are you even arguing that what you’re saying is logical? You’re making yourself look more and more ignorant.

I should make it clear, I don’t believe mirage needs nerfed, rather that the closest person being jabbed be considered non-aoe so it isn’t affected by it. I’ve tested Jabs vs Major Evasion in heavy on the pts. My testing leads me to believe stamplar will become a dizzy swing class next patch.

Don't agree with all of this tbh. Only gank builds tend to run Mirage in open. Most builds still run double-shield in open on live and tbh, I'm still not sure that Mirage is strong enough to displace one of the shields, especially now that healing ward lost the initial heal, you really need dampen to cover healing so you get some of the healing from it expiring.

Where you would have seen Mirage used is on Stamblades but rending is currently so OP that nobody is going to be running 2h in Murkmire until enchants proccing-off rending is nerfed.

All in all, I can't really see that many people using it besides heavy 1vX Magblade builds which are pretty average and weaker than any Stam build so I don't really see the issue.

What? I think you misread, I don’t believe that mirage is over performing or anything like that, I was just saying it’s asinine to say things like “magblade can get the aoe reduction on live by using Blade cloak” when virtually no magblade uses DW. I was simply using you as a reference because I remember from another post you saying that melee magblade just isn’t viable anymore.

If you read the last paragraph, I said it doesn’t need to be nerfed at all. And on the case of magblades using mirage, it’s possible it’s platform specific. On PS4 NA I know for a fact (magblade is my second most played character) the meta layout is front: cripple funnel ele drain bow fear soul harvest back: harness/dampen mirage healing ward siphoning shade resto ult/undo

To be frank, I’ve shelfed my magblade. After testing out the new bow proc I have no desire to 1vx on that class anymore.

Ah OK you're talking about 1vX builds which are a bit different. Important to remember 1vX players make up like 2% of ESO's PvP population even though they might be the most active on forums.

As to your final point, yes the bow change is brutal for dueling or 1vXing on Magblades (but how have you tested it if you're on PS4?). The class can still work in BGs by playing around your team and chucking bow & Zaan procs on people that are focused on your team mates but that's about it.

It's really sad to see what ZO$ have done to it this patch tbh.

I have a PC with the PTS client loaded specifically so I can test.