It's not just sorcs, any light armor build that used shields will need to adjust either sets or playstyles. Sorcs got a double whammy with overload changes and wardens are not too happy with the bear changes as well. But I still call it murkmire, buffs/nerfs happen all the time.

How did stamsorc get buffed exactly ? Dark deal is basically the same and we lost our 3rd bar...

And also from a pvp perspective forward momentum is getting nerfed to 4 seconds and speed pots have been destroyed so speed is no longer a viable playstyle and that is a pretty damn important playstyle for solo/smallscale stam chars too.

templesus wrote: »

Stamplar got nerfed. Lost minor vitality, lost 100% minor protection uptime, lost crescent sweep, and lost 25% damage on jabs against anyone running shuffle/blade cloak/mirage which is roughly 75% or more of cyrodiil.

most people aren't realizing this

That bear nerf will hit stam wardens as well. Not as severely as mags, but still.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Stamden: buffed
Magplar: buffed
Stamplar: buffed
Magdk: buffed
Stamsorc: buffed
NBs: slighlty nerfed
Stamdk: same
Magden:Nerfed but they already sucked anyways

Overall this is a buffmire, but this also shows how many people played Magsorcs and Mageblades and had an easy life and now they have to L2P

Everybody but you is just that stupid.

This is right up there with all the, "I don't play your class, but have you tried using the first skill you unlock at level 2? I think that will fix everything," comments on class-specific threads.

The buffs to Stamplar exceed the nerfs in PvP and PvE as far as I'm concerned.

Thogard wrote: »

Dmg shields
Speed pots
AOE dmg
Dodge roll window

This.

Because the individual class changes are strongly over shadowed by the changes to shields and speed.

Sorcs in particular are pissed because their defensive toolkit is literally just shields and there was no attempt at any sort of compensation

It was the same with Morrowind. No matter what they changed, gutting sustain and ushering in the heavy attack era. Class buffs are irrelevant when a cornerstone of how a class is played is gutted.

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Stamplar got nerfed. Lost minor vitality, lost 100% minor protection uptime, lost crescent sweep, and lost 25% damage on jabs against anyone running shuffle/blade cloak/mirage which is roughly 75% or more of cyrodiil.

most people aren't realizing this

The vast majority of players are PvErs. In PvE they're getting an extra 480 stam recovery, and 8% buff to jabs on the main target.

Even in PvP the new rune allows you to drop Bone Pirate which is currently mandatory for stamplars, and pick up a set like shackle, hulking, or spriggan. You can also drop the serpent stone for the warrior or lover. Overall stamplars will do more dmg in pvp. I'll quit my stamplar over the javelin change, but that's more of a personal thing.

bone pirate is mandatory for nearly every stam class because its the only decent stam recover set in the game full stop.

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Nightblades bad, Sorcs good, you Jane.

Insightfuls please.

mDK does not get any real buffs. Damage increase to eruption is negated by changes to evasion in pvp (where it wasnt of much use before anyway). yes in pve it will do a bit more damage, but as expensive as the skill is this is more a bandaid in comparison to what the skill was pre 1.6 (granting major evasion for instance)

beside that we get a range nerf to flame lash, cost added to power lash, stun removed from power lash while it is still evadeable and with a cooldown. this was justified by an apple and oranges comparison to sorcs frags completely forgetting about the range, the cooldown and further boosts from the superior sorc passives.

obsidian shield nerf, well, we the skill is crap anyway so I dont care, still the nerf is there

expedition nerf is not as bad for us, because we didnt have expedition on demand in our class kit anyway, but because of that the swift and pot nerf hits us pretty hard

Annulment nerf is still *** in pve (I wonder how I survive against CGs in vMA now as a vamp). dont care about it in pvp cause I play no-CP and thus without shield anyway.

whatever, leveling magblade now for pvp^^

edit: changes to evasion in generaly also nerf all our ultimates, especially our "execute" Leap as well as FoO, Breath, Spiked Armor, Talons, Inhale and so on...

How is mag dk buffed when our already bad sustain gets nerfed some more? Whip will cost magicka on power lash. The only thing they buffed will be ash cloud/cinder storm.

Tannus15 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Dmg shields
Speed pots
AOE dmg
Dodge roll window

This.

Because the individual class changes are strongly over shadowed by the changes to shields and speed.

Sorcs in particular are pissed because their defensive toolkit is literally just shields and there was no attempt at any sort of compensation

It was the same with Morrowind. No matter what they changed, gutting sustain and ushering in the heavy attack era. Class buffs are irrelevant when a cornerstone of how a class is played is gutted.

Yes, plunderskull time ,and what's my magsorc doing? trying to learn and beat maelstrom arena before Nerfmire. When the hits are 4-8k each and i'm getting hit with 2+ attacks at once, a 10 k shield isn't going to do squat. Crit heals are ok, but the only heal over time i have is one that requires a cast time and sacrifices my ability to block and dodge roll. So learning to play with the pets so i can stand by and watch the pets run from enemy to enemy like chickens with their heads cut off. and decide which of the 3 buttons i have a choice in slotting i want to hit. (Can you tell i hate pet builds?)

I'm a little ticked off that they nerfed my favorite class to the ground and am trying to learn and like a magblade because i like the game in general. The indifference or the lack of understanding of the classes has me concerned however. How the dev's can nerf a class's defenses that has limited healing capabilities has me concerned. I've seen plenty of comments about upping health and stamina to increase surviveability, in pve, this will give sorcerers the dps of a mudcrab since they already rank low on the dps charts. Who wants a mudcrab in their hard content group?

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Stamden: buffed
Magplar: buffed
Stamplar: buffed
Magdk: buffed
Stamsorc: buffed
NBs: slighlty nerfed
Stamdk: same
Magden:Nerfed but they already sucked anyways

Overall this is a buffmire, but this also shows how many people played Magsorcs and Mageblades and had an easy life and now they have to L2P

Your list is not entirely correct.

There are clear losers (MagDen, MagSorc, StamSorc) with this patch,
and clear winners (StamBlade, StamDen).

The thing is that the 2 winners were already overperforming on life, while neither of the nerfed classes was a particular formidable threat to, say, a MagDK in open PvP.

People call it Nerfmire, though, because it sounds good, and because people tend to be against changes they didn´t ask for.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I guess most people are talking PvP wise, PvE wise its like I mentioned, the change in the evasion buff will be OP in PvE, all stam classes got better sustain, Magplar got a major overall buff, MagDK got a huge dot damage boost.

Here you are missinformed. The DPS parses stated that most stam classes are pretty close, but that StamSorcs have the biggest sustain problems in PvE. Additionally, the evasion "buff" is essentially a buff to Nightblades.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Stamden: buffed
Magplar: buffed
Stamplar: buffed
Magdk: buffed
Stamsorc: buffed
NBs: slighlty nerfed
Stamdk: same
Magden:Nerfed but they already sucked anyways

Oh please

„This is a buff if you don’t play the nerfed classes.“