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My Friend Quit
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Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shame. Its not all trial guilds but there are some toxic elements out there.
Am all for challenging content but high challenge end game should be done for the challenge and maybe a cool title. The eso practice of gating cosmetics behind the hardest content drives toxicity, selling vet runs and exploiting.
If your going to tie cosmetics to end game make them influence based from grinding content for factions or gold bought from the undaunted vendor having unlocked a series of achievements. But requiring challenger vet hard mode speed and no death runs for a cosmetic is just pandering to elitists.Edited by Thannazzar on October 18, 2018 3:11PM7 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is what I think about when people talk about raiding.
aholes like this leading lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lo9kmcEw0w&t=2s 24 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
I never understood it, because insulting and humiliating people verbally tends to have the opposite effect on performance. People just get nervous, insecure or really angry, which obviously doesn't make the run any smoother.
Normally, people are already doing the very best they can in raids or trials. They fail because they need help with tactics and constructive feedback. Toxicity is so unhelpful.
Think it might be a bit of an age thing though. Older people wont accept being called "worthless idiot" by a raidleader in some videogame lol. They aren't competitive enough or care enough to accept verbal abuse, just to be in a top tier PvE guild.
Most top raid/trial guilds in mmorpgs consist of younger guys and they have a much higher threshold when it comes to toxicity. Partly because they really care about being one of the best, so they put up with it or even start doing it themselves to fit in the team.16 -
stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I suspect your friend will be back after a break, with perhaps a new perspective or interest in what they wish to do in game.
I am a long time mmo player and I refuse to let any person or guild cause me stress or not enjoy playing. We all enjoy different aspects of mmo's and if my play style doesn't match yours then we go our separate ways. If at any time I start to feel the game I'm playing is becoming a job or not enjoyable, I seek other pastures, even if it's for a short while. Best of luck in your travels!1 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I joined multiple end game raids guilds when I reached CP 500, I am very good tank and DPS. Wow it sucked so much it was not worth it. I love the end game raids much fun but the atmosphere is so bad.....
Moved to PVP and people trash eachother but there it is the fun as is competitive while raids should collaborate....Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only9 -
Hurtfan✭✭✭✭✭Think it might be a bit of an age thing though. Older people wont accept being called "worthless idiot" by a raidleader in some videogame lol. They aren't competitive enough or care enough to accept verbal abuse, just to be in a top tier PvE guild.
I agree with this. Life is tough as is and you play video games to unwind and escape. Then you deal with some dummy group leader getting upset with you because you have overload slotted instead of negate, is laughable to me.
I think age is related directly to this but could be wrong.For the Pact!Keyboard not found, press any key to continue13 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.I joined multiple end game raids guilds when I reached CP 500, I am very good tank and DPS. Wow it sucked so much it was not worth it. I love the end game raids much fun but the atmosphere is so bad.....
Moved to PVP and people trash eachother but there it is the fun as is competitive while raids should collaborate....
that just sounds like you never were in a GOOD guild, you were in some casual "one evening a week signup raid" guild without a proper core group.Thannazzar wrote: »If your going to tie cosmetics to end game make them influence based from grinding content for factions or gold bought from the undaunted vendor having unlocked a series of achievements. But requiring challenger vet hard mode speed and no death runs for a cosmetic is just pandering to elitists.
What do you folks want?
"Look I pugged the already easy dungeon on normal via dungeon finder, give me the skin and other cosmetics so I can also have it without putting any effort into it, so it becomes nothing special when every cp 50 is running around with it."
Edited by ATomiX96 on October 18, 2018 3:48PM5 -
Sparr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.Edited by Sparr0w on October 18, 2018 3:46PM@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.I joined multiple end game raids guilds when I reached CP 500, I am very good tank and DPS. Wow it sucked so much it was not worth it. I love the end game raids much fun but the atmosphere is so bad.....
Moved to PVP and people trash eachother but there it is the fun as is competitive while raids should collaborate....
that just sounds like you never were in a GOOD guild, you were in some casual "one evening a week signup raid" guild without a proper core group.
The way you formulate your wording. You are one of them.... happy days being a crappy person, good for youXbox EU & NA - PVP Only24 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Quitters never win. Let your friend know he lost, and you won. Rub it in.
Just kidding -- sorry to hear it. The forums make up a small percentage of the player base, but I have been getting the impression from different threads that people are quitting more frequently then I'd like to see.1 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭You didn't really explain what the trial group was even doing that caused your friend to quit.2 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »This is what I think about when people talk about raiding.
aholes like this leading lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lo9kmcEw0w&t=2s
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kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That’s exactly it. Just like that. Just. Like. That. Guys lucky to have the crown. Cause he’d be kicked so fast.
But you know what. They get stuff done. So people hang around.DMuehlhausen wrote: »This is what I think about when people talk about raiding.
aholes like this leading lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lo9kmcEw0w&t=2s
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Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭once they suck the fun out of it... its hard to put the fun back in it.
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RABIDxWOLVERINE✭✭✭✭End game sucked the fun out of the game for me too about 7 months ago. I took a 5-6 month break and now have come back and have yet to run any end game stuff and its more enjoyable. While hard content is fun to do you must have the right group or they kill the experience when you fail.Rhaegar Gregorson, The Ebonheart Centurion - Imperial Dragonknight
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »Standard response: What happened to his stuff?
More appropriate response:
What are these guilds doing that is so bad? For those of us who have not joined one, we have no idea what the problem is here. All you said is "it just sucked the fun right out of the game". No details, no explanation, nothing.
The game becomes more a job/chore than a fun game. No speaking, everyone on at X time or kick, you aren't coming to the next run if you're gonna die on adds hahahahaha, dps tests send the results, ewwww not hitting 50k bk go away.
Don't get me wrong they do get the job done but not a nice environment to be in, one mistake it becomes a *** show & the constant flexing ego .
This all sounds pretty standard. Except for the no talking. People usually talk.
-Not reliable? Why would they want you in a static (a group that meets regularly)? Talk to the group leader and see if your schedule can be worked with. Very little progress will be made if you cannot keep the same members or have to keep finding replacements that have to be re-taught.
-Dying on adds? Depends on how often, but generally a non-issue unless you mess up exceptionally badly (or the healer did). Also depends on the Trial
-DPS parses are normal, and 50k is an exaggeration (usually 40-45k) unless you're a nightblade. If you cannot perform at the level the group likes, you find a group at a lower, more casual level. This is not a bad thing, it's simply that there are groups for every type of player.
The mistake is joining hardcore groups without being a hardcore player. You can be a casual player and join a casual group (or even a hardcore player if you simply don't like the atmosphere).
In terms of scheduling though, it's important to be reliable when 11 other people are expecting you to be reliable. The stars don't just align to have your raid group on all at once at any given time...you have to make that work. When you make plans with friends you don't just say "Well, I'll show up at the bar whenever and just hope you're there. If you're not...oh well." Those friends will want to stop making plans with you.
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"You have a reasonable stance from the perspective of someone in a PvE guild...better disregard their opinion"Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.I joined multiple end game raids guilds when I reached CP 500, I am very good tank and DPS. Wow it sucked so much it was not worth it. I love the end game raids much fun but the atmosphere is so bad.....
Moved to PVP and people trash eachother but there it is the fun as is competitive while raids should collaborate....
that just sounds like you never were in a GOOD guild, you were in some casual "one evening a week signup raid" guild without a proper core group.
The way you formulate your wording. You are one of them.... happy days being a crappy person, good for you
I see nothing wrong with his post.
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p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not just end-game that attracts those kinds of people, but I think the pressures in end game really bring the garbage and lack of life experience out in certain personality types. I'm absolutely okay with having strict criteria to help ensure no one is getting any sort of carry, and I'm absolutely okay with no-nonsense approaches to discussing issues with people not meeting that criteria, but I am NOT okay with being talked down to or name-called by some sweaty kid. Nope. Part of learning to be a good leader is learning how to communicate properly on all levels. If someone thinks trolling and name calling is the proper way to achieve group cohesion, then this will literally be the ONLY thing in life they can ever expect to be any good at. Best of luck flipping burgers for the rest of your life.PC/Xbox NA
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✭✭✭✭I'm really sorry to hear that. Unfortunately there are some pretty toxic people in the end-game pve community, on all platforms. I've had my fair share of toxic people, and even was kicked out of a guild when one of em talked sh*t behind my back. I was blissfully unaware of anything going on with them. But since then, I've been sticking to pretty chill guilds. It was hard to find this sweet spot tho. Lost several so-called friends and actual friends due to toxicity and terrible communication."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is why I tend to stay away from the high level end game content. It's the same in all games. Most of the time they take it WAY too seriously and freak out at the slightest thing making the whole experience miserable. No thanks. Then of course they constantly cry because they can't keep enough members to have a stable roster. LOL gee I wonder why!
I walked away from a Mythic Raid progression guild in WoW because of that attitude. They were rude, insulting, overly demanding, and unreasonable, as most progression guilds are. The final straw for me was when I told them I couldn't make raid night when we were pushing progression because WE WERE HAVING MY MOTHERS FUNERAL THAT DAY and I would not feel up to raiding that night. They went ballistic lecturing me on "loyalty" and "responsibility" and calling me all sorts of names telling me I needed to "get my priorities straight". I /gquit on the spot and haven't touched high level end game content since nor am I likely to ever again.
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tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are certainly toxic people in the game (in all facets, pve, pvp, housing, merchants, everything). Just as there are toxic people you will meet in real life. You will work with toxic people, have friends that turn toxic, date people who are toxic. Learning to deal with the OCCASIONAL toxicity from people in your life is an important skill to learn, because you WILL deal with it. How you react will influence how the toxicity moves. For most people, once they see it doesn't affect you, they'll stop. Other, are just jerks and will continue to do so. YOU (ONLY YOU) need to make the choice on if running that content, being in that end-game pve groups, or that structured pvp group, or that housing guild, or that trading guild, or doing that thing is worth what they are saying/doing.
I also agree with what a majority of people have said. As somebody who is probably on the older end of players (certainly above the mean), and somebody who spends his RL job teaching people, most people have a massive issue with taking any sort of criticism, whether it's constructive, or non-constructive. Now, are there people who are bad at giving advice, and helping people out, yes. Most people are BAD at it, because it's an acquired skill, it takes practice, and frankly a lot of the end-game raid community is full of 20 year olds, who don't have a lot of life experience in leadership roles, so you have to give them some leeway if that is the case.
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✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.3 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yeah, many competitive PvE guilds have a really crappy toxic jargon, people hysterically screaming and insulting left and right, when someone messes up.
absolutely wrong.
Competetive PvE guilds dont mess up and if they do whatever, just reset the trial and go again.
There is no personal attacking in top-tier PvE guilds, only constructive Criticism and if that offends you, dont even bother getting into such environment.
"You F'ing useless waste of space are you F'ing blind" really sounds like constructive criticism
Not all raid groups are like this but I've seen/heard my fair few when joining to help out if someone needed another member.
from what ive seen in this topic so far all the toxicity complaints are comming from console, i just wonder why.
if anyone ever attacked anyone of my raidteam more than once, instant guildkick.
If I'm being honest, sometimes I wonder how much better ESO would be if it never came to consoleValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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adeptusminor✭✭✭✭A vast majority of end game raiders are welcoming, helpful, and not toxic in the slightest. Sure there are some bad apples, there always will be, but it's not the norm. I run with a lot of different groups and guilds and, while this is a generalization and it's not always the case, my experience is the legit toxic ones are usually players who think they are a lot better than they actually are and they are compensating for their lack of skill with an attitude. They tend not to stick around too long.
edit: Nefas has a good video about the end game raiding in ESO that is a really good summary imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIvkXNsRN0 Edited by adeptusminor on October 18, 2018 5:27PM1 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭As I expected, most of the comments here are like: "yeah, that's why I do RP/housing, because raiding guilds are so toxic!!!!111oneone"
The truth is, not really.
People like above are just too sensitive to play MMO. They don't accept any critique or advice from other players regarding their gameplay. Someone will tell them nicely: "try to improve your dps"
Are we talking about the same game?
I have been playing for 4 years and i have never seen anyone say that, although it is not that i do much endgame, as soon as I got my perfect olorime I left the trials.
If you are casual and you do not have friends or normal people with whom to do a Trial it is very difficult to deal with non-lifers.
I do not respect them as pixels or as people.7 -
Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You just need to find the right guild. Most of the guilds that are loudest and seem the most attractive tend to be a little rude, especially if you aren't already "one of them". If you like trials look around for people pugging in zone. If you liked running with them, ask to join their guild. If they seem like a bunch of jerks, at least you got a trial completion0 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are certainly toxic people in the game (in all facets, pve, pvp, housing, merchants, everything). Just as there are toxic people you will meet in real life. You will work with toxic people, have friends that turn toxic, date people who are toxic. Learning to deal with the OCCASIONAL toxicity from people in your life is an important skill to learn, because you WILL deal with it.
totally agree, but from my experience ingame you will always find more toxic people because they are hiding themselves behind the mask of anonymity aka hiding behind their nickname.0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭That's ok bro, all mine quit. Now I just befriend random people who kill me in Cyrodiil
I love this.
I play DC in Sotha and there is one particular AD "regular" who is super cool. We have a little 1v1 kill tally going against each other. I'm a healer and he's a NB so - as you can imagine - his tally is way higher than mine. However, being a healer, every kill I score against him is...how shall I say...embarrassing
But it's all in good fun. Isn't that why we are here?6