If Murkmire launched today with the current build what do you feel the PVP and PVE meta would be?

Knowledge · September 2018

This is how I feel it will go:

PVP
StamNB
Stamden
Stamplar
StamDK
StamSorc(lol)
Any magicka class/build

PVE
StamNB
StamDK
anything else.

IxSTALKERxI · September 2018

Pvp:

Stam NB
Stamden
Stamplar
Magplar
Magden
Stam DK
Stam Sorc
Mag NB
Mag DK
Mag Sorc

Depends on type of pvp though, stam nb is only good solo or like up to group of 3 imo, after that it goes way down the list.

Beardimus · September 2018

If wards weren't changed clearly MagSorc would be on the list, I'm glad you've seen the light the ward Nerf is a big deal.

casparian · September 2018

I’m pretty sure at this point the meta is going to be Fallout 76 no matter what they do. The damage has been done.

BigBadVolk · September 2018

PVE: Old trials: Stamden Stamblade Magblade DD with sorc heal temp heal warden off tank dk tank
Mini trials: Magblade dk tank, warden tank, templar tank(????) sorc heal, temp heal

Juhasow · September 2018

If Murkmire would launch today I wouldnt care because I wouldnt play.

ssewallb14_ESO · September 2018

PvP Heavy Stamblade/Stamden
PvE Magblade

wozborne · September 2018

PvP I would say
Magplar,
Stamblade,
MagDK,
Stamden,
Stamplar,
StamDk,
Stamsorc,
Magden,
Magsorc

Kikke · September 2018

PvP: Anything not magica

PvE: Stamina warden, stamina NB, MagTemplar, DK tank, DK tank, Warden + Sorc Heal

MLGProPlayer · September 2018

PvP: Stamblade/Stamden
PvE: Stamblade/Stamden

Magicka classes will be insta-kicked in PvE. Magdens in particular will be told to uninstall if they try to show up to a trial or DLC dungeon group.

kojou · September 2018

Magicka DK and Templar will be fine in all formats.

Heavy Armor will be the univesal PvP meta for all Magicka classes that still PvP.

Stamina will rule PvP.

PvE will be about the same except Templars will take the lead in ranged DPS.

Vahrokh · September 2018

kojou wrote: »

Magicka DK and Templar will be fine in all formats.

Heavy Armor will be the univesal PvP meta for all Magicka classes that still PvP.

Stamina will rule PvP.

PvE will be about the same except Templars will take the lead in ranged DPS.

Yes, I've watched some PTS videos and they show Templars are #1 right now. NBs imo can be at their level but only in a trial, with magicka orbs. Then there's a MASSIVELY HUGE gap before the other classes.
Stam will be meta for older trials, the two above for newer trials.

Wardens now have replaced sorcs even as buff-bot. Sorcs can enjoy 1 year of retirement, like already happened 3 years ago.

Gythral · September 2018

The meta is look for a new game
FO76
hell even BDO is looking more fun than mag<anything> atm

Arthalion1 · September 2018

wozborne wrote: »

PvP I would say
Magplar,
Stamblade,
MagDK,
Stamden,
Stamplar,
StamDk,
Stamsorc,
Magden,
Magsorc

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

Minno · September 2018

Arthalion1 wrote: »

wozborne wrote: »

PvP I would say
Magplar,
Stamblade,
MagDK,
Stamden,
Stamplar,
StamDk,
Stamsorc,
Magden,
Magsorc

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

Evasion change messing with jabs, solar barrage, Cresant sweep, etc. And defiles are still potent.

Bleed specs will still havea fun time now that sheilds can be crit on.

radarsu · October 2018

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

What setup makes MagPlar op? Please let me know. I tried almost everything (Shacklebreaker, Lich, Soulshine, Cyrodiils Light, War Maiden, Wizards Riposte and Impregnable in various combinations, going for Fortified Brass now) and he is still substantially weaker than my DK without a set (just random things)

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For an ultimate I tried Soul Assault, but even I managed to make it 70k+ damage, it works well only on open space (rarely) and usually deals only 1/3 or 1/2 of damage due to obstacles. Not to mention that while channeling you're usually going down from 100% to 20% hp and after you must quickly switch to total defense, so in the end I'm still forced to use DawnBreaker on magicka build.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

MagPlar... OP? Well, it's the only class I've never seen doing more dmg than 1.2 mln on BattleGrounds while others managed to do over 3 mln (with record of 3.6 mln done by DK).

It's also the only class that if you have like 3+ in party you can literally instaquit BG.

The only thing that's OP on MagPlar is heal and with proper gear - sustain. But it's all for the cost of damage and mobility (you can't have it anyways). And almost every non-healer MagPlar would love to trade those.

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Jabs buffed, but in laggy enviroment they're buggy. You hit 1 or 2 shots instead of 4. Also if Evasion will be popular thing they won't hit that much. Insane defense - but only when you're being offensive. When you are forced to heal up and block, your minor protection goes down when you most need it.

And Jesus Beam... Well, it's channeling skill that usually is not working because of obstacles anyways. But definitely shortening it was more than needed.

My bet PvP:
StamBlade
StamDen
StamPlar
MagDK
StamDK
MagSorc
MagPlar
StamSorc
MagDen

Bitmun · October 2018

My hurt is so deep, that I don't even want to think about what disguisting builds will be the new PVP meta this time. :P

usmcjdking · October 2018

Stamblade
Stamden - MagDK
Magblade
(insert gap here)
Magplar
Stam DK
Stamsorc
Stamplar
(insert YUUUUUUUUGE gap here)
Magden
Magcrafter

Morgul667 · October 2018

PVP

Stamblade
StamDen
Stamplar
MagPlar
MagBlade
MagDK
StamDK
StamSorc
MagSorc
MagDen

katorga · October 2018

Arthalion1 wrote: »

wozborne wrote: »

PvP I would say
Magplar,
Stamblade,
MagDK,
Stamden,
Stamplar,
StamDk,
Stamsorc,
Magden,
Magsorc

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

How are jabs being buffed? Is it just the targeting changes, cause all I see is a potential 25% hit from evasion.

katorga · October 2018

PVP
Stamblade
StamDen
Stamplar
MagBlade
MagDK
MagPlar
StamDK
StamSorc
MagDen
MagSorc

Ocelot9x · October 2018

As a main stamina dk I’m lvlling a magden for pvp next patch. I’m going to show all crybabies that skill>everything

Dojohoda · October 2018

Ouch, I'm trying not to think.

Lucky28 · October 2018

Honestly. i don't know how many people are gonna stick around after murkmire. it's a really bad patch and just spits in the face of the vast majority of ESO players. i thought Morrowind was bad but no, i actually haven't been this bummed about a patch.... ever, really. with that said i actually haven't played or thought about eso much since i read the first patch notes. this one is probably gonna be it for me i think.

P.S. No, you can't have my stuff.

BlackLabel · October 2018

In pvp heavy stamden will be strongest by far.

Strider__Roshin · October 2018

PvP

Hard to say. Against most, stamblade. Competitively, magDK. Solo, stamden. Most influential on the outcome of a battle, magplar.

PvE

Magicka is probably still going to reign due to the safely of range.

But we'll see.

mr_wazzabi · October 2018

Arthalion1 wrote: »

wozborne wrote: »

PvP I would say
Magplar,
Stamblade,
MagDK,
Stamden,
Stamplar,
StamDk,
Stamsorc,
Magden,
Magsorc

I agree with this list. Magplars are already very op (although underutilised) and are about to see a huge buff to Jesus beam with the reduced cast time and increased damage last patch. Jabs are also now being buffed. Given magplars insane defence, good luck trying to fight one.

Just for the record, I do have a magplar and thought it was op before this patch... and the last patch.

Total dark. One of the reasons templars are op

Solariken · October 2018

Definitely seeing some consensus in this thread regarding top tier. Here's what I'd wager for PvP:

Stamblade (open world); Stamden, Stamplar (BG)

Magplar, MagDK
StamDK, Magblade, Stamsorc
Magden (lowest open world, mid-tier in BG), Magsorc

templesus · October 2018

For 1vX PvP:
S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: MagBlade StamSorc
C Rank: Stamplar MagSorc StamDK
D Rank: Magden MagDK Magplar

Stamblade having class access to 25% AoE reduction will be broken, making it completely dominant. Stamden is only getting buffed as well although it's already known to be one of the top PvP classes in the game. Magblade and StamSorc will both have amazing mobility next patch amidst all the mobility nerfs which puts them a cut and above the other tiered classes. Stamplar and Magplar will have virtually no chance at killing heavy armor stamblades and difficulty killing majority of Cyrodiil next patch because their spammable and ultimate are both gonna be mitigated by evasion. On top of that, Stamplar is taking major defensive nerfs with changes to rune. StamDK is still suffering from having to use dizzying with no real supporting damage, the only thing they have going for them is their good survivability and the 8% weapon damage buff they are getting if in med armor next patch. MagSorc will have far better mobility then the bottom tier classes which is my only reasoning for putting them above, and I personally believe resistances effecting shields will allow for some solid builds to be theorycrafted. Anybody who has 1vXed on Magplar or Magden or MagDK know just how garbage tier those classes are open world 1vXing and knows it doesn't really need an explanation. They really didn't receive any meaningful buffs and Magplar got significantly nerfed with the aforementioned evasion change.

PvE:
I refer you to Liko.

olsborg · October 2018

Pretty sure most veteran pvpers on any stambuild would use heavy armor. And dw with bleeds. Atleast on stamplar and stamden

Thogard · October 2018

olsborg wrote: »

Pretty sure most veteran pvpers on any stambuild would use heavy armor. And dw with bleeds. Atleast on stamplar and stamden

Many stamplars run medium.