Hello! My name is Jimmy and I leave chests open!

Mr_Walker · October 2018

Who cares? Seriously, this is one of, if not the most trivial complaint about the game.

Go find another node/chest, and lay off the caffeine.

SirAndy · October 2018

Conan776 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Finally , someone who actually understands how chest respawns work!

I remember reading in zone chat when I first started (circa One Tamriel) that if you picked a flower but left the worms, the node would stay visually empty forever until someone stumbled upon the spot and picked up the worms you left behind. I never really gave it much thought once my bag got big enough, though I've never once stumbled on worms in a hole in the ground.
Everything respawning on a timer would make a lot more sense.
I still find myself worrying that if I decide not to steal an obsidian stone from a wardrobe, because it's not worth the 1/1000 chance an NPC will pop up and catch me, that I'm leaving junk behind for the next thief forever. But if it just resets on a timer, then big whoop.

The moment you (or someone else) interacts with it, the respawn timer is set.
Regardless of whether you fully loot the node/chest/whatever or not.

So the worst that can happen is that you come across a chest that otherwise wouldn't even be there.

BretonMage · October 2018

Yeah... I mean, most of the stuff in the chests is rubbish anyway. Whether you miss the 100 gold or a Maul of something or other, it's not the end of the world. People leaving worms in the clothing nodes annoys the **** out of me though, especially if I had to dismount to pick the node...

Judas Helviaryn · October 2018

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Most of the entitled types would be annoyed, and automatically assume something of greater value were already removed from the chest.

Seeing as how unlocked chests disappear after exactly ten minutes, and seeing as how we cannot test whether that prevents another chest from spawning for the ten minute duration, OR all chests have a ten minute cool down between disappearing and spawning in another location, regardless of the initial chest's status, I'm not particularly bothered by finding, nor leaving, half filled chests behind.

So hi. I'm Judas, and I leave open chests out in the world. Come, enragement child, I shall accept your feelings unequivocally and with due love and support.

(Not meant towards my quotee here.)

Well, the exp was certainly already removed along with the Legerdemain experience. So no, its not helpful to just unlock a chest and leave it.

I'll take some of that unequivocal love and support, because I do think that people deliberately leaving trash in chests are selfish jerks. Its not hard to manage your inventory so you dont have to leave trash behind even without ESO+, but it does take making courtesy to your fellow players a priority.

The issue is that people aren't due what they define as courtesy, or indeed due courtesy at all. Courtesy itself, by nature, is never a requirement at any level, including societal. That is the prime difference between a courtesy, and an obligation.

It is up to the potentially courteous to determine whether the social good-will they would receive is worth the inconvenience they levy onto their own playtime, and in my case, I expect people to act as I do in a video game. That is, to clarify, to take it easily and not be worked up over an arguably minute facet of the game as a whole.

To be an adult, and to be responsible for your own fun and engagement, both of which are standards you set, and not others.

Of course, one might also argue that the game, in its entirety, is PVP. That would include jockeying for resources, in which case entitlement again is thrown out the window in the interest of sport, but I'm not so hyper-competitive that I do this out of any sense of sportsmanship, or even ill-will, which doesn't belong in sporting circles to begin with.

I hope this has been supportive enough, because explaining this side of this dubious issue is my own courtesy to you.

Okay.

So, yeah, no one is required to be courteous.

Thats kinda the whole point of courtesy.

Its not required. You do it, because its polite, because its kind, because it's the right thing to do. Especially when you know that doing otherwise is an inconvenience for others.

I'm not going to require anyone to be courteous. I will, however, notice when people choose not to be. And I will think that person is an inconsiderate jerk.

If you don't care what I think, cool. Go on with your day, blithe spirit, without consideration for your fellow players.

If you do care, well, a little common courtesy is all it takes.

I suppose the question at this point would be along the vein of:

If you're not being denied what is owed to you, what justification is there for open hostility and name-calling?

To argue there is one is to argue that you are more important and imperative to a stranger than they are to themselves.

Is that not a selfish inclination?

To refrain from name calling is also a social courtesy, not an obligation. If you show that you are not willing to show others courtesy, and that you don't think they are worth courtesy of even the insiginificant inconvenience of just moving to a different mat, then you shouldn't be surprised or upset if none is extended to you in return.

It is selfishness, of course, for them to unburden themselves of the annoyance that you inflicted upon them by responding unkindly. But it was you who decided to be a nuisance, so it's a bit unreasonable to expect them to still treat you with courtesy while you show them none. Or to expext consideration for your feelings when you showed none for their feelings.

In other words....

You are expecting them to put their needs (to vent, to feel vindication, to let you know how you made them feel, etc) behind your needs (to be treated with respect and courtesy, to not have to deal with hostility, etc) after showing a lack of care for them just as fellow people playing the game with you.

If you don't like hostility or aggression, social courtesy goes a long way to reduce it. Anytime you decide to forego social courtesy towards others, you are opening the door for them to forego it for you as well. And you are both the poorer for it, in terms of fostering a respectful and nice play environment.

You've absolutely got me wrong. If people choose to act the way they do for my actions, I accept that. I simply ask why you choose to act in a hostile manner if you agree it is indeed not owed to you, to begin with. Please read back through my posts with the proper context now, and understand that I couldn't care one wit what people think of my actions, (or inaction).

If you do indeed act in a hostile manner to people who don't go out of their way to convenience you, as is the case here, you're absolutely implying that you believe you should be more important to everyone else than they are to themselves. It's selfish.

You're saying I'm a nuisance for not taking action, versus being a nuisance for taking a specific action. If I were going out of my way to be a nuisance to you, you would know it. I would hope people would learn the difference between inaction and action when determining guilt, courtesy, and obligations.

en·ti·tle·ment
the fact of having a right to something.
"full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the amount to which a person has a right.
"annual leave entitlement"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

Snipress · October 2018

I've ran into so many chests with junk in them today... more than usual. I think Jimmy is on a spree right now.

pdblake · October 2018

Ive never seen rubbish left behind in chest. Oddly enough its usually expensive or high level gear.

I do like worms being left too. For some reason despite all the rich earth and forest all over they dont drop very much for me.

SteveCampsOut · October 2018

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Yes because you are effectively robbing people of Legerdemain XP.

Debutante_Savant · October 2018

The exact same freedoms of choice that allow for a guy that leaves junk in a chest to be a "jerk" without being punished are allowing a post like this to be written without punishment. What you are asking for is absurd. That level of policing a person's behavior and attitude is insanity. And quite frankly, what gives you the right to determine which is "jerkier", doing a thing that inconveniences others or being the guy that complains about a mild inconvenience as if he's somehow owed by the rest of the world? Holy entitlement. Lacking common courtesy, sure. Punishable offense? Gtfoutta town.

Hippie4927 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

People who leave garbage in chests are almost as bad as people who specifically wait for you to be fighting the mobs near a chest and then steal the chest from you.

Honestly, a lot of this could be improved through instancing chests. Just sayin'. Other games do it, and it works fine.

How 'bout the double whammy? Today some dude took the chest while I fought the enemies AND left the garbage he didn't want! Times like that I wish we had open world PVP!

People that cannot handle someone stealing their chest and leaving behind useless items -definitely- could not handle open world PvP. If someone wanted that chest badly enough, they would have killed the mobs -and- the other player and just taken it anyway. And probably left that green sword of frost just for giggles.

Acrolas · October 2018

I still find it funny that we're approaching four years since Update 6 and people still don't realize that legerdemain is a synonym for deception or trickery.

Did You Know?
In Middle French, folks who were clever enough to fool others with fast-fingered illusions were described as "leger de main," literally "light of hand." English speakers condensed that phrase into a noun when they borrowed it in the 15th century and began using it as an alternative to the older "sleight of hand." (That term for dexterity or skill in using one's hands makes use of "sleight," an old word from Middle English that derives from an Old Norse word meaning "sly.") In more modern times, a feat of legerdemain can even be accomplished without using your hands, as in, for example "an impressive bit of financial legerdemain."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legerdemain

So, basically, suggesting a penalty would in effect be a contradiction of the game's classification of this type of behavior. Anything you shove a lockpick into was not your property, and the moral posturing doesn't really hide that you're just upset that another thief thieved the thievery thing before you yourself could thieve it.

jenny32x · October 2018

By my 2 1/2 years of experience of roaming the countryside of Tamriel the percentage of already opened chests I find is about 1 % estimated by rule of thumb. And I spend most of the time on the surface, I am not a dungeon runner, but a Master Crafter. It is really not an issue to get upset about.

bearbelly · October 2018

Wow, I had no idea chests worked that way (I'm still new).

The thought of cherry-picking chest loot hadn't even occurred to me yet; I've always just taken everything that was in it.
But then, I've only come across, maybe, 10 or 12 chests total, so far, and I would have thought that as soon as you unlocked it the chest disappeared when you disengaged from it, regardless of what you do with the loot.

The fact that a chest remains unlocked and all of the XP gets erased for another person to stumble upon if all of the loot isn't taken from it seems like a pretty dumb game mechanic to me.

Salvas_Aren · October 2018

Hello! My name is Jimmy and I leave chests open!

Just noticed that this could be your formal introduction into the Fighters or Undaunted Guild if you play a melee char.

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Zypheran · October 2018

For the love of God won't somebody please think about Jimmy!
Jimmy grew up in a tough part of Rawl'kha. His father drank a bit too much skooma and his mom mended clothes for travelling mercenaries. But Jimmy dreamed that one day he would be an adventurer, out saving the world from Molag Bal's schemes. But then there was an update! His bear got nerfed to point where he couldnt even pull 15k in a nest of spiders. Now he hangs around Grahtwood lfg'ing as a tank for normals while his bear dances for gold. Sure, he leaves a bit of crap in chests every once in while but in its place he leaves his crushed dreams!!

D0PAMINE · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

This isn't even an issue, they respawn in the same amount of time reguardless and if it was fully looted, you wouldn't even see it there, so you wouldn't have gotten the items anyway..

Finally , someone who actually understands how chest respawns work!

Thank You bud

Aragorn79 · October 2018

I am always amazed reading the forum how people want to control, limit or punish the way other people play this game. I am also annoyed sometimes at looting an already looted chest, but I would never think about calling for ZOS or for the game to limit or punish this behavior. Guys, we need to learn that there are so many ways of playing the game, and that is the beauty this freedom gives us. There are so many chests and resource nodes in the game I have to control myself not to take everything sometimes. I think we need to celebrate and protect the freedom we have of playing however we like. This applies in my mind to every aspect of the game.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

Leaving a chest or node without emptying it should give you bounty and the items you did take be marked as stolen.

DanteYoda · October 2018

Its a shame we cannot beat people who don't empty chest and thieves troves with baseball bats..

twev · October 2018

Conan776 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Finally , someone who actually understands how chest respawns work!

I remember reading in zone chat when I first started (circa One Tamriel) that if you picked a flower but left the worms, the node would stay visually empty forever until someone stumbled upon the spot and picked up the worms you left behind. I never really gave it much thought once my bag got big enough, though I've never once stumbled on worms in a hole in the ground.

Everything respawning on a timer would make a lot more sense.

I still find myself worrying that if I decide not to steal an obsidian stone from a wardrobe, because it's not worth the 1/1000 chance an NPC will pop up and catch me, that I'm leaving junk behind for the next thief forever. But if it just resets on a timer, then big whoop.

Chests and nodes disappear after you loot them completely empty, to respawn later. Leaving loot inside delays the despawn.

Wardrobes, crates, barrels, etc can be looted by multiple people at the same time, and each sees the loot inside as RNG to them alone.
You can loot a wardrobe and take it all, and the player next to you can do the same, at the same time, as can anyone else who comes along behind you.

hakan · October 2018

No. I wont pick those trashes. I leave them everytime. Cry more.

and i also play stamblade

GallantGuardian · October 2018

Being banned for throwing mud balls sounds like the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of ... they put it in the game you’re not cussing anyone out name calling etc you’re just throwing mud ... if people are that sensitive over mud balls they are ridiculous ... Me and my friends mud ball each other all the time we make a game of it and it’s fun and people do get hit on accident at times ... if I ever got banned for this I’d be angry

Minyassa · October 2018

There's no way to actually change anyone's behavior these days. I don't think anyone does this crap because they don't know any better. They know exactly what they're doing it, they take pride in it. It's clear from the way they double down when someone calls them on it. I have no pity for anyone who gets banned doing things to annoy other people either on purpose or because they just don't care if they bother others. Don't be a POS = no ban, it's not rocket science.

Androconium · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

My time is being wasted by someone else who can't be bothered to manage their own inventory.

You claim you do a lot of chest runs yet you clearly demonstrate that you have no clue as to how the chest respawn timers actually work.

Something doesn't add up here ...

I don't claim it, I do it. As to the respawn timings, nope, not a clue as to timings.

Maryal · October 2018

Zypheran wrote: »

For the love of God won't somebody please think about Jimmy!
Jimmy grew up in a tough part of Rawl'kha. His father drank a bit too much skooma and his mom mended clothes for travelling mercenaries. But Jimmy dreamed that one day he would be an adventurer, out saving the world from Molag Bal's schemes. But then there was an update! His bear got nerfed to point where he couldnt even pull 15k in a nest of spiders. Now he hangs around Grahtwood lfg'ing as a tank for normals while his bear dances for gold. Sure, he leaves a bit of crap in chests every once in while but in its place he leaves his crushed dreams!!

LMFAO! LOL... I have tears in my eyes I am laughing so hard. Good one!

Androconium · October 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

I still find it funny that we're approaching four years since Update 6 and people still don't realize that legerdemain is a synonym for deception or trickery.

LOL! Hilarious!

Acrolas wrote: »

Did You Know?
In Middle French, folks who were clever enough to fool others with fast-fingered illusions were described as "leger de main," literally "light of hand." English speakers condensed that phrase into a noun when they borrowed it in the 15th century and began using it as an alternative to the older "sleight of hand." (That term for dexterity or skill in using one's hands makes use of "sleight," an old word from Middle English that derives from an Old Norse word meaning "sly.") In more modern times, a feat of legerdemain can even be accomplished without using your hands, as in, for example "an impressive bit of financial legerdemain."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legerdemain

Yes, actually I did know that. It's in Foyle's Philavery, along with 'androconium'.
Thanks for the history lesson. No lesson on spawn timers, then?

Acrolas wrote: »

So, basically, suggesting a penalty would in effect be a contradiction of the game's classification of this type of behavior. Anything you shove a lockpick into was not your property, and the moral posturing doesn't really hide that you're just upset that another thief thieved the thievery thing before you yourself could thieve it.

I wasn't asking for penalties. I was just whingeing about it.

albesca · October 2018

While I don't think that leaving chests half looted is a crime (I don't do it but I don't mind finding half looted chests instead of empty space) this could be resolved by turning the content of chests into a single object (like the reward of the worthy or the crafting writs reward), so you open the chest, lift its whole content and then you open it in your inventory.

Kadoin · October 2018

Every time I see a post like this, I leave a few chests open

Mannix1958 · October 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

did i just read?

I know reading it was kinda like watching "Maniac" again...but that had a lot clearer message.

Mannix1958 · October 2018

Snaekd wrote: »

For some reason my first post, which I meant to be a friendly and at the very least decent one, turned into a "beat the newbie" competition. Few people replied to the exact meaning of it, but the others? Come on, this is exactly what I didn't want to look like here.

I've been farming in the most popular zones - Bankorai, Deshaan and Rivenspire, always looting my stuff, never leaving an open chest behind — not even if my eventory was full. I've been doing that for quite a while now, not a single time did I complain about people leaving trash — it's not pleasant to find 5 half-empty chests in a row, but what can you do. And today I met an excessively edgy kid and this issue drawed my attention — what could be done that neither me, nor anybody else had to see unlooted chests all over the zone.

Punishing people does sound bad indeed, with this I agree, I simply didn't see a better solution for the issue at that moment.
On the contrary, fiddling with respawn timers seems to be a better idea. Times and times better one, in fact.

Someone suggested an autoloot and Maybe that is the way to go....

Mannix1958 · October 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?

Most of the entitled types would be annoyed, and automatically assume something of greater value were already removed from the chest.

Seeing as how unlocked chests disappear after exactly ten minutes, and seeing as how we cannot test whether that prevents another chest from spawning for the ten minute duration, OR all chests have a ten minute cool down between disappearing and spawning in another location, regardless of the initial chest's status, I'm not particularly bothered by finding, nor leaving, half filled chests behind.

So hi. I'm Judas, and I leave open chests out in the world. Come, enragement child, I shall accept your feelings unequivocally and with due love and support.

(Not meant towards my quotee here.)

Well, the exp was certainly already removed along with the Legerdemain experience. So no, its not helpful to just unlock a chest and leave it.

I'll take some of that unequivocal love and support, because I do think that people deliberately leaving trash in chests are selfish jerks. Its not hard to manage your inventory so you dont have to leave trash behind even without ESO+, but it does take making courtesy to your fellow players a priority.

The issue is that people aren't due what they define as courtesy, or indeed due courtesy at all. Courtesy itself, by nature, is never a requirement at any level, including societal. That is the prime difference between a courtesy, and an obligation.

It is up to the potentially courteous to determine whether the social good-will they would receive is worth the inconvenience they levy onto their own playtime, and in my case, I expect people to act as I do in a video game. That is, to clarify, to take it easily and not be worked up over an arguably minute facet of the game as a whole.

To be an adult, and to be responsible for your own fun and engagement, both of which are standards you set, and not others.

Of course, one might also argue that the game, in its entirety, is PVP. That would include jockeying for resources, in which case entitlement again is thrown out the window in the interest of sport, but I'm not so hyper-competitive that I do this out of any sense of sportsmanship, or even ill-will, which doesn't belong in sporting circles to begin with.

I hope this has been supportive enough, because explaining this side of this dubious issue is my own courtesy to you.

Okay.

So, yeah, no one is required to be courteous.

Thats kinda the whole point of courtesy.

Its not required. You do it, because its polite, because its kind, because it's the right thing to do. Especially when you know that doing otherwise is an inconvenience for others.

I'm not going to require anyone to be courteous. I will, however, notice when people choose not to be. And I will think that person is an inconsiderate jerk.

If you don't care what I think, cool. Go on with your day, blithe spirit, without consideration for your fellow players.

If you do care, well, a little common courtesy is all it takes.

I suppose the question at this point would be along the vein of:

If you're not being denied what is owed to you, what justification is there for open hostility and name-calling?

To argue there is one is to argue that you are more important and imperative to a stranger than they are to themselves.

Is that not a selfish inclination?

Yes...you are really selfish...hope that helps you understand.

max_only · October 2018

Conan776 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Finally , someone who actually understands how chest respawns work!

I remember reading in zone chat when I first started (circa One Tamriel) that if you picked a flower but left the worms, the node would stay visually empty forever until someone stumbled upon the spot and picked up the worms you left behind. I never really gave it much thought once my bag got big enough, though I've never once stumbled on worms in a hole in the ground.

Everything respawning on a timer would make a lot more sense.

I still find myself worrying that if I decide not to steal an obsidian stone from a wardrobe, because it's not worth the 1/1000 chance an NPC will pop up and catch me, that I'm leaving junk behind for the next thief forever. But if it just resets on a timer, then big whoop.

Wardrobes are different from crafting nodes. Every backpack, nightstand, barrel, sack, or “common container” is instanced to each player. If you open up a warderobe and see a recipe, if I’m standing next to you and open up the same wardrobe, I will see something different.