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Hello! My name is Jimmy and I leave chests open!
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »prof-dracko wrote: »Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?
Most of the entitled types would be annoyed, and automatically assume something of greater value were already removed from the chest.
Seeing as how unlocked chests disappear after exactly ten minutes, and seeing as how we cannot test whether that prevents another chest from spawning for the ten minute duration, OR all chests have a ten minute cool down between disappearing and spawning in another location, regardless of the initial chest's status, I'm not particularly bothered by finding, nor leaving, half filled chests behind.
So hi. I'm Judas, and I leave open chests out in the world. Come, enragement child, I shall accept your feelings unequivocally and with due love and support.
(Not meant towards my quotee here.)
Well, the exp was certainly already removed along with the Legerdemain experience. So no, its not helpful to just unlock a chest and leave it.
I'll take some of that unequivocal love and support, because I do think that people deliberately leaving trash in chests are selfish jerks. Its not hard to manage your inventory so you dont have to leave trash behind even without ESO+, but it does take making courtesy to your fellow players a priority.
The issue is that people aren't due what they define as courtesy, or indeed due courtesy at all. Courtesy itself, by nature, is never a requirement at any level, including societal. That is the prime difference between a courtesy, and an obligation.
It is up to the potentially courteous to determine whether the social good-will they would receive is worth the inconvenience they levy onto their own playtime, and in my case, I expect people to act as I do in a video game. That is, to clarify, to take it easily and not be worked up over an arguably minute facet of the game as a whole.
To be an adult, and to be responsible for your own fun and engagement, both of which are standards you set, and not others.
Of course, one might also argue that the game, in its entirety, is PVP. That would include jockeying for resources, in which case entitlement again is thrown out the window in the interest of sport, but I'm not so hyper-competitive that I do this out of any sense of sportsmanship, or even ill-will, which doesn't belong in sporting circles to begin with.
I hope this has been supportive enough, because explaining this side of this dubious issue is my own courtesy to you.
Okay.
So, yeah, no one is required to be courteous.
Thats kinda the whole point of courtesy.
Its not required. You do it, because its polite, because its kind, because it's the right thing to do. Especially when you know that doing otherwise is an inconvenience for others.
I'm not going to require anyone to be courteous. I will, however, notice when people choose not to be. And I will think that person is an inconsiderate jerk.
If you don't care what I think, cool. Go on with your day, blithe spirit, without consideration for your fellow players.
If you do care, well, a little common courtesy is all it takes.
I suppose the question at this point would be along the vein of:
If you're not being denied what is owed to you, what justification is there for open hostility and name-calling?
To argue there is one is to argue that you are more important and imperative to a stranger than they are to themselves.
Is that not a selfish inclination?Edited by Judas Helviaryn on October 6, 2018 10:49PM4 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash4 -
Aebaradath✭✭✭✭✭
✭I always fight the people who leave half-empty resource nodes and chests behind. Also do more t-bags than Lipton on 'em for good measure.0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My mommy always says that only bad people don't share their loot. But I'm a good boy! Therefore I couldn't care less if there are other people farming in this zone and I will call them all the dirty names I know if they only dare to stand between me and fun. Especially, if they speak to me politely!
Actually, few of said names were quite a finding to me, so I have memorized them for further usage.
That aside, I really do wonder if there is an option to penalize this kind of behaviour in game. I mean, reporting people for throwing mud balls surely feels nice, but it's a bit too harsh — if you do it in the wrong time and to the wrong category, they can really get banned. I say, we could have a better solution than swallowing them bitter tears of despair and ban-hammering each other to near-death state.
How do you feel about a set of not-so-subtle in-game restrictions?
Let's say, Jimmy has a weekend and no brakes when it comes to getting at people's nerves. He gets reported to the category of "inappropriate behaviour v.2" once, then twice more and the day after the boy discovers his own mount stripped of 20 levels of speed. Or that he can't sell items at guild stores for a certain period of time. Or that a blazing mark saying "I'M A BAD BOY, DON'T GO NEAR ME" appears over heads of all his characters and follows them to the very character selection menu. The latter would be really nice, in my opinion. Appropriate, too.
And please, don't think that I simply needed to vent — I have been doing that for an hour prior to visiting the forum — it's just some people really ask for several lessons of good manners. And one can only tolerate so much of inhumane behaviour before attempting to fight the fire with fire.
This only happens to me once in a blue moon. I loot and move on.
How the heck does this happen to other people so much that they feel the need to post about it on the forums?0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »prof-dracko wrote: »Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?
Most of the entitled types would be annoyed, and automatically assume something of greater value were already removed from the chest.
Seeing as how unlocked chests disappear after exactly ten minutes, and seeing as how we cannot test whether that prevents another chest from spawning for the ten minute duration, OR all chests have a ten minute cool down between disappearing and spawning in another location, regardless of the initial chest's status, I'm not particularly bothered by finding, nor leaving, half filled chests behind.
So hi. I'm Judas, and I leave open chests out in the world. Come, enragement child, I shall accept your feelings unequivocally and with due love and support.
(Not meant towards my quotee here.)
Well, the exp was certainly already removed along with the Legerdemain experience. So no, its not helpful to just unlock a chest and leave it.
I'll take some of that unequivocal love and support, because I do think that people deliberately leaving trash in chests are selfish jerks. Its not hard to manage your inventory so you dont have to leave trash behind even without ESO+, but it does take making courtesy to your fellow players a priority.
The issue is that people aren't due what they define as courtesy, or indeed due courtesy at all. Courtesy itself, by nature, is never a requirement at any level, including societal. That is the prime difference between a courtesy, and an obligation.
It is up to the potentially courteous to determine whether the social good-will they would receive is worth the inconvenience they levy onto their own playtime, and in my case, I expect people to act as I do in a video game. That is, to clarify, to take it easily and not be worked up over an arguably minute facet of the game as a whole.
To be an adult, and to be responsible for your own fun and engagement, both of which are standards you set, and not others.
Of course, one might also argue that the game, in its entirety, is PVP. That would include jockeying for resources, in which case entitlement again is thrown out the window in the interest of sport, but I'm not so hyper-competitive that I do this out of any sense of sportsmanship, or even ill-will, which doesn't belong in sporting circles to begin with.
I hope this has been supportive enough, because explaining this side of this dubious issue is my own courtesy to you.
Okay.
So, yeah, no one is required to be courteous.
Thats kinda the whole point of courtesy.
Its not required. You do it, because its polite, because its kind, because it's the right thing to do. Especially when you know that doing otherwise is an inconvenience for others.
I'm not going to require anyone to be courteous. I will, however, notice when people choose not to be. And I will think that person is an inconsiderate jerk.
If you don't care what I think, cool. Go on with your day, blithe spirit, without consideration for your fellow players.
If you do care, well, a little common courtesy is all it takes.
I suppose the question at this point would be along the vein of:
If you're not being denied what is owed to you, what justification is there for open hostility and name-calling?
To argue there is one is to argue that you are more important and imperative to a stranger than they are to themselves.
I'm gonna be honest here. I'm done with this conversation. We're going back and forth for no purpose. I wrote a comment in response and deleted it because what's the point?
You feel no one is obligated to empty chests. I say that leaving trash behind for others is rude.
We arent going to convince each other and I'm.not acconplishing anything by continuing this. So have a great day!Edited by VaranisArano on October 6, 2018 11:02PM2 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Using the loot system as intended is not a problem. Nor does it affect respawn rates of chest. Furthermore, just because the original person didn't want item X, and you also don't want item X, does not mean that it is unwanted or trash. Calm down people. There is a reason the loot system is designed that way. Not everyone wants to be a glutinous vacuum when they grow up. It's okay to be different.5 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭magictucktuck wrote: »my bad my bags are just always full and its a pain to go delete like 3 things for trash
Full of what?
oh dear, my inventory is full! whatever shall I do? I know!! I'll go open a few treasure chests!!!111ioneone3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »Would you like a hug?SaxonCrusader wrote: »You look like you've had a bad day.SaxonCrusader wrote: »But fear not.SaxonCrusader wrote: »We all have days like that.SaxonCrusader wrote: »Sometimes we just need to let off some steam.SaxonCrusader wrote: »Would you like a chill pill with those milk and cookies?SaxonCrusader wrote: »Anyone else have a better way of trying to comprehend what's going on? The passivity and awkwardly condescending politeness isn't really my cup of tea.
Dude. You and the edit post button really need to meet each other.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
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This advice may not work as intended.If you see a chest and its unlocked, do not touch it or you will reset the timer.
I work runs of treasure chests in 4 zones, that are in excess of 20 chests each. Other players are doing the same thing.
We aren't running past and go "Oh my!! A treasure chest!! - what a find!!!"
When you're running along for 15-20 minutes and finding nothing but chests marked 'OPEN" or 'SIMPLE' and spaces where the 'ADVANCED' and 'MASTER' used to be, then it does get frustrating. If you choose to run on without stopping, you eventually come across the person with the fast mount, 780CP and speed buffs that is taking all the cherries and leaving the stalks and pits behind.
You also recognise them as sellers in the bigger guilds. I am one of them also. But I also know that my character has 200 inventory slots and that takes around 2 hours to fill, on a good day.
You can set up the trash function to move unwanted items there until you are ready to delete them. This means that you don't have to stop and rifle through your inventory looking for rubbish to dump so that you can get that last item (always the most valuable).
It is very rare to find loot that is below CP160 level. So it isn't newer players doing this.
The point is time. My time is being wasted by someone else who can't be bothered to manage their own inventory. That's it.
The morality of this is largely irrelevant. But I don't like it; and I'm telling you that.
Edited by Androconium on October 6, 2018 11:29PM5 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Poor Jimmy was abducted by nasty elves because he used to say....
"My name is Jimmy and I'll take all you gimme."Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭My mommy always says that only bad people don't share their loot. But I'm a good boy! Therefore I couldn't care less if there are other people farming in this zone and I will call them all the dirty names I know if they only dare to stand between me and fun. Especially, if they speak to me politely!
Actually, few of said names were quite a finding to me, so I have memorized them for further usage.
That aside, I really do wonder if there is an option to penalize this kind of behaviour in game. I mean, reporting people for throwing mud balls surely feels nice, but it's a bit too harsh — if you do it in the wrong time and to the wrong category, they can really get banned. I say, we could have a better solution than swallowing them bitter tears of despair and ban-hammering each other to near-death state.
How do you feel about a set of not-so-subtle in-game restrictions?
Let's say, Jimmy has a weekend and no brakes when it comes to getting at people's nerves. He gets reported to the category of "inappropriate behaviour v.2" once, then twice more and the day after the boy discovers his own mount stripped of 20 levels of speed. Or that he can't sell items at guild stores for a certain period of time. Or that a blazing mark saying "I'M A BAD BOY, DON'T GO NEAR ME" appears over heads of all his characters and follows them to the very character selection menu. The latter would be really nice, in my opinion. Appropriate, too.
And please, don't think that I simply needed to vent — I have been doing that for an hour prior to visiting the forum — it's just some people really ask for several lessons of good manners. And one can only tolerate so much of inhumane behaviour before attempting to fight the fire with fire.
Well, the message that I've been trying to get across for several weeks now, is that certain guilds and their power-farmers are making this game less fun.
ZOS don't care, but thanks for the input.1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Androconium wrote: »
This advice may not work as intended.If you see a chest and its unlocked, do not touch it or you will reset the timer.
I work runs of treasure chests in 4 zones, that are in excess of 20 chests each. Other players are doing the same thing.
We aren't running past and go "Oh my!! A treasure chest!! - what a find!!!"
When you're running along for 15-20 minutes and finding nothing but chests marked 'OPEN" or 'SIMPLE' and spaces where the 'ADVANCED' and 'MASTER' used to be, then it does get frustrating. If you choose to run on without stopping, you eventually come across the person with the fast mount, 780CP and speed buffs that is taking all the cherries and leaving the stalks and pits behind.
You also recognise them as sellers in the bigger guilds. I am one of them also. But I also know that my character has 200 inventory slots and that takes around 2 hours to fill, on a good day.
You can set up the trash function to move unwanted items there until you are ready to delete them. This means that you don't have to stop and rifle through your inventory looking for rubbish to dump so that you can get that last item (always the most valuable).
It is very rare to find loot that is below CP160 level. So it isn't newer players doing this.
The point is time. My time is being wasted by someone else who can't be bothered to manage their own inventory. That's it.
The morality of this is largely irrelevant. But I don't like it; and I'm telling you that.
So if they looted everything, there would be no chest because it hasnt respawned (the timer is always the same whether it's fully or partially looted) and you would catch up to them and still would not have opened a chest because someone beat you to it minutes before.Edited by D0PAMINE on October 6, 2018 11:44PM5 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Androconium wrote: »My time is being wasted by someone else who can't be bothered to manage their own inventory. That's it.
So if they looted everything, there would be no chest because it hasnt respawned (the timer is always the same whether it's fully or partially looted) and you would catch up to them and still would not have opened a chest because someone beat you to it minutes before.
I don't see anyone complaining about this.0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont think the concept is fully understood.
If you see unlocked chest, it means someone is farming them.
Regardless of items taken, that chest location will respawn in 8-10 minutes.
If the person took everything and you are coming behind them within that time period, you wouldn't even see a chest.
So, why is this a big deal? Open or not, if you are within the respawn interval, you are not getting whatever you are farming for.
If anything, being that farming time is precious apparantly, having an unlocked chest should be a signal to go to a different farm.
In theory if they opened the same chest path as you and loot all, you would waste much more time looking for ghost chests.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
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✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Because if you are CP 160+, you ought to be able to have enough inventory spaces to not leave trash in chests or worms in flowers.
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To me the worms are the more valuable partTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »I just read the title...welcome to my ignore list.
@Snaekd also you speak of good manners and all that yet u are complaining when others call you names for not picking up your things? guess what if you decide to leave stuff in to a chest you block the despawn/respawn rates for over an hour also if you leave stuff there means you don't want it thus going in to the category of garbage and trash so you are expecting others to come and pick up/clean up after you and do it for free and be happy about it? speaking about hypocrisy...you want to penalize people for bad behavior? good that is awesome...then start with yourself and pick up your trash cuz we are not your personal trash disposal team.
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Maybe just don't read the title next time. His opinion is the same as yours.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 7, 2018 1:36AM3 -
Hanokihs✭✭✭✭✭I dont think the concept is fully understood.
If you see unlocked chest, it means someone is farming them.
Regardless of items taken, that chest location will respawn in 8-10 minutes.
If the person took everything and you are coming behind them within that time period, you wouldn't even see a chest.
So, why is this a big deal? Open or not, if you are within the respawn interval, you are not getting whatever you are farming for.
If anything, being that farming time is precious apparantly, having an unlocked chest should be a signal to go to a different farm.
In theory if they opened the same chest path as you and loot all, you would waste much more time looking for ghost chests.
The problem is that it's annoying, and since it's annoying, people are going to complain about it because they're annoyed.
It's like going into a public bathroom and finding a toilet that someone hasn't flushed. Whether it's empty or not, the person before you still used it, and you still have to go so you'll probably flush it yourself anyway. But it's still irksome having to encounter or deal with another person's leavings because they're a rude skeever.
Don't be a rude skeever, is the point. Flush the chest toilet."I haven't really played much yet, but lemme tell you all about how the game should include X and be a lot more like Y!" - Half the posters on this forum."I've been here for years, and lemme tell you all about how they should never change or evolve Z, because then the game would be ruined forever." - The other half of posters on this forum.11 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »prof-dracko wrote: »Sometimes when I'm bored I go around zones and unlock chests without looting anything. Is that being helpful or not? Genuine question, but if you came across an unlocked chest that still had 100ish gold, malachite shards ect. would you be mad or annoyed?
Most of the entitled types would be annoyed, and automatically assume something of greater value were already removed from the chest.
Seeing as how unlocked chests disappear after exactly ten minutes, and seeing as how we cannot test whether that prevents another chest from spawning for the ten minute duration, OR all chests have a ten minute cool down between disappearing and spawning in another location, regardless of the initial chest's status, I'm not particularly bothered by finding, nor leaving, half filled chests behind.
So hi. I'm Judas, and I leave open chests out in the world. Come, enragement child, I shall accept your feelings unequivocally and with due love and support.
(Not meant towards my quotee here.)
Well, the exp was certainly already removed along with the Legerdemain experience. So no, its not helpful to just unlock a chest and leave it.
I'll take some of that unequivocal love and support, because I do think that people deliberately leaving trash in chests are selfish jerks. Its not hard to manage your inventory so you dont have to leave trash behind even without ESO+, but it does take making courtesy to your fellow players a priority.
The issue is that people aren't due what they define as courtesy, or indeed due courtesy at all. Courtesy itself, by nature, is never a requirement at any level, including societal. That is the prime difference between a courtesy, and an obligation.
It is up to the potentially courteous to determine whether the social good-will they would receive is worth the inconvenience they levy onto their own playtime, and in my case, I expect people to act as I do in a video game. That is, to clarify, to take it easily and not be worked up over an arguably minute facet of the game as a whole.
To be an adult, and to be responsible for your own fun and engagement, both of which are standards you set, and not others.
Of course, one might also argue that the game, in its entirety, is PVP. That would include jockeying for resources, in which case entitlement again is thrown out the window in the interest of sport, but I'm not so hyper-competitive that I do this out of any sense of sportsmanship, or even ill-will, which doesn't belong in sporting circles to begin with.
I hope this has been supportive enough, because explaining this side of this dubious issue is my own courtesy to you.
Okay.
So, yeah, no one is required to be courteous.
Thats kinda the whole point of courtesy.
Its not required. You do it, because its polite, because its kind, because it's the right thing to do. Especially when you know that doing otherwise is an inconvenience for others.
I'm not going to require anyone to be courteous. I will, however, notice when people choose not to be. And I will think that person is an inconsiderate jerk.
If you don't care what I think, cool. Go on with your day, blithe spirit, without consideration for your fellow players.
If you do care, well, a little common courtesy is all it takes.
I suppose the question at this point would be along the vein of:
If you're not being denied what is owed to you, what justification is there for open hostility and name-calling?
To argue there is one is to argue that you are more important and imperative to a stranger than they are to themselves.
Is that not a selfish inclination?
To refrain from name calling is also a social courtesy, not an obligation. If you show that you are not willing to show others courtesy, and that you don't think they are worth courtesy of even the insiginificant inconvenience of just moving to a different mat, then you shouldn't be surprised or upset if none is extended to you in return.
It is selfishness, of course, for them to unburden themselves of the annoyance that you inflicted upon them by responding unkindly. But it was you who decided to be a nuisance, so it's a bit unreasonable to expect them to still treat you with courtesy while you show them none. Or to expext consideration for your feelings when you showed none for their feelings.
In other words....
You are expecting them to put their needs (to vent, to feel vindication, to let you know how you made them feel, etc) behind your needs (to be treated with respect and courtesy, to not have to deal with hostility, etc) after showing a lack of care for them just as fellow people playing the game with you.
If you don't like hostility or aggression, social courtesy goes a long way to reduce it. Anytime you decide to forego social courtesy towards others, you are opening the door for them to forego it for you as well. And you are both the poorer for it, in terms of fostering a respectful and nice play environment.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 7, 2018 2:04AM4 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont think the concept is fully understood.
If you see unlocked chest, it means someone is farming them.
Regardless of items taken, that chest location will respawn in 8-10 minutes.
If the person took everything and you are coming behind them within that time period, you wouldn't even see a chest.
So, why is this a big deal? Open or not, if you are within the respawn interval, you are not getting whatever you are farming for.
If anything, being that farming time is precious apparantly, having an unlocked chest should be a signal to go to a different farm.
In theory if they opened the same chest path as you and loot all, you would waste much more time looking for ghost chests.
I took the time to explain the process. You repeated your earlier comments about respawn timers.
You are indeed correct. You still don't fully understand the concept. Sorry, there's nothing I can say that will change that.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just make chests all or nothing. If there is something you want to leave in the chest then you have to leave everything in the chest. Same with flowers, if you don't take the worm you don't get the columbine.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
jlb1705✭✭✭Posting on forums about dud chests is prima facie evidence that your time is not so precious that you are undeserving of opening one every once in a while.
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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You claim you do a lot of chest runs yet you clearly demonstrate that you have no clue as to how the chest respawn timers actually work.Androconium wrote: »My time is being wasted by someone else who can't be bothered to manage their own inventory.
Something doesn't add up here ...
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Conan776✭Finally , someone who actually understands how chest respawns work!
I remember reading in zone chat when I first started (circa One Tamriel) that if you picked a flower but left the worms, the node would stay visually empty forever until someone stumbled upon the spot and picked up the worms you left behind. I never really gave it much thought once my bag got big enough, though I've never once stumbled on worms in a hole in the ground.
Everything respawning on a timer would make a lot more sense.
I still find myself worrying that if I decide not to steal an obsidian stone from a wardrobe, because it's not worth the 1/1000 chance an NPC will pop up and catch me, that I'm leaving junk behind for the next thief forever. But if it just resets on a timer, then big whoop.Edited by Conan776 on October 7, 2018 3:21AM0
