Where do you think 2H currently stands in PVP compared to DW?

Nyladreas · October 2018

Looking for some constructive opinions about the differences between 2H and DW as they currently are on PTS.

I'd love to switch back to my 2H, but on Live it seems heavily inferior to DW. Given the recent nerfs, speed, mobility and other adjustments, I'm curious whether it would be worth it.

susmitds · October 2018

You will want 2H anyways, either on back-bar or front bar. Steel Tornado only works when you already burst your opponent down to 50%.

Nyladreas · October 2018

susmitds wrote: »

You will want 2H anyways, either on back-bar or front bar. Steel Tornado only works when you already burst your opponent down to 50%.

Well 2h is currently on my Backbar, I'd however love to use it on the main Bar, as I'm used to.

Checkmath · October 2018

Rally/forward momentum still is a very strong skill. You may get major brutality from other sources, but momentum is probably the best one with the healing, burst heal or snare immunity. Downside of 2h is that there is no good spamable.

susmitds · October 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

You will want 2H anyways, either on back-bar or front bar. Steel Tornado only works when you already burst your opponent down to 50%.

Well 2h is currently on my Backbar, I'd however love to use it on the main Bar, as I'm used to.

Wrecking Blow spam still works if you don't have a class-spammable.

hakan · October 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

Rally/forward momentum still is a very strong skill. You may get major brutality from other sources, but momentum is probably the best one with the healing, burst heal or snare immunity. Downside of 2h is that there is no good spamable.

wdym there is executioner/ rev slash.

lucky_dutch · October 2018

Depends on whether you can get major brutality and/or snare immunity from other areas of your build or not. That's the strength of 2h.

Aliyavana · October 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

Rally/forward momentum still is a very strong skill. You may get major brutality from other sources, but momentum is probably the best one with the healing, burst heal or snare immunity. Downside of 2h is that there is no good spamable.

speaking about 2h, has anything been said about converting one of the morphs like say wrecking blow (the pve morph) into a instant cast ability?

Ragnaroek93 · October 2018

2H is almost a must have because of Rally but other than that it's not really good. Both weapons lack a good spammable tho, so they feel somehow incomplete.

Strider__Roshin · October 2018

2H is required due to momentum. DW is superior in every other aspect though.

Move momentum to the fighters guild, and the 2H will die overnight.

StamWhipCultist · October 2018

2h is still my go to weapon on pretty much any setup.
Other weapon will change, depending what I play, from s&b to bow or DW.

Biro123 · October 2018

2-H is just my buff-bar :-(

*Edit: To be fair though, that's on my stamblade, running 2-H/Dw, the choice of DW for offence is only for that one single bleed ability (and heavy attacks being a bit quicker and using 2 enchants)..
Having a strong class-spammable means that I could easily switch to a 2-H front-bar and a different back bar (bow for range/mobility - or SnB for more defence)..
Of course, that's only really an option for stamblade (and I guess stamplar when not too laggy for jabs)..

TL;DR - with a strong class spammable, there isn't much in it.. But then again, with the upcoming change to evasion, will that impact 2-handed light and heavy attacks? (I'm thinking of the passive that makes them hit multiple opponents - will it count as an AOE?)

Morgul667 · October 2018

2h lacks a spammable

I dropped wrecking blow cause good players just move into you to cancel it, and lag makes it hard to land anyway

Morgul667 · October 2018

Next patch il probably go dw + bow on my stamsorc

Used to be dw + 2h

mojomood · October 2018

Unless you have a class stamina burst heal (warden, DK) you need 2H. If you have a class burst heal, you can run medium armor and any weapons. If you dont have a burst heal, your either in heavy and need FM for snares or in medium and need Rally for the burst heal.

Plenty of options, but really only a few worth considering.

BaylorCorvette · October 2018

2H is only my back bar / buff bar. Only use FM and sometimes Stampede. Otherwise all my damage is dual wield stuff. If Wrecking Blow was converted to an instant cast with obviously less damage I think 2H would become a viable option for main bar. The cast time is just too easy to dodge for good players and even more so with Swift and all the speed currently on live. Maybe it will be better in Murkmire with things slowing down a little but I'm not going to hold my breath.

mojomood wrote: »

Unless you have a class stamina burst heal (warden, DK) you need 2H. If you have a class burst heal, you can run medium armor and any weapons. If you dont have a burst heal, your either in heavy and need FM for snares or in medium and need Rally for the burst heal.

Plenty of options, but really only a few worth considering.

StamSorc can get away without using Rally in Medium. I've been PvPing on my StamSorc in Medium armor for 5-6 months now, all while using FM and not Rally. Crit Surge, Vigor, LoS and Dark Deal work just fine so long as you're proactive on healing. Prior to that I ran in Heavy for a long time with FM. I really do prefer the Medium armor playstyle.

DDuke · October 2018

It can be very good for "ganking" (this is noCP campaign btw):

https://youtu.be/pdKQk5S-UXs

Few BGs with the same build (I'm sure I can improve, haven't played this build for too long):

Dizzying Swing as spammable, Onslaught as ultimate - no Surprise Attack or Incap at all.

That said, having played the build on stam sorc as well I have to say it feels stronger on that class.

Olupajmibanan · October 2018

Speaking only from BG perspective.
Uppercut works on paper for everyone, but in practice it only works on stamwardens and possibly stamDKs.
So, in most cases, you don't want 2H as your primary weapon.

Ocelot9x · October 2018

Every specs has is pro and con,I think it’s quite balanced (with duale wield being on top). 2h has a spammable but it’s a noobstomper,overly effective vs newbies (great damage and stun) and totally ineffective vs skilled players. Dual wield bleed packs also a small heal,and wins hands down when small scaling.
I just miss the empower on wrecking blow,it was already a niche ability but got destroyed further

lucky_dutch · October 2018

DDuke wrote: »

It can be very good for "ganking" (this is noCP campaign btw):
https://youtu.be/pdKQk5S-UXs

Few BGs with the same build (I'm sure I can improve, haven't played this build for too long):

Dizzying Swing as spammable, Onslaught as ultimate - no Surprise Attack or Incap at all.

That said, having played the build on stam sorc as well I have to say it feels stronger on that class.

I've seen this build a few times recently.

Dizzying (out of stealth) -> Onslaught -> Executioner is pretty much a guaranteed insta-kill against non-tanks in BGs. Pretty minimal duelling potential though so I can't imagine it's actually that fun when having to generate ult.

ezio45 · October 2018

Dont play stam but I prefer to fight a dw player any day over 2h player

Blackleopardex · October 2018

DDuke wrote: »

It can be very good for "ganking" (this is noCP campaign btw):

Few BGs with the same build (I'm sure I can improve, haven't played this build for too long):

Dizzying Swing as spammable, Onslaught as ultimate - no Surprise Attack or Incap at all.

That said, having played the build on stam sorc as well I have to say it feels stronger on that class.

lul we won xD nice clip tho, haha

mr_wazzabi · October 2018

DDuke wrote: »

It can be very good for "ganking" (this is noCP campaign btw):
https://youtu.be/pdKQk5S-UXs

Few BGs with the same build (I'm sure I can improve, haven't played this build for too long):

Dizzying Swing as spammable, Onslaught as ultimate - no Surprise Attack or Incap at all.

That said, having played the build on stam sorc as well I have to say it feels stronger on that class.

What sets do you run?

DDuke · October 2018

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

It can be very good for "ganking" (this is noCP campaign btw):
https://youtu.be/pdKQk5S-UXs

Few BGs with the same build (I'm sure I can improve, haven't played this build for too long):

Dizzying Swing as spammable, Onslaught as ultimate - no Surprise Attack or Incap at all.

That said, having played the build on stam sorc as well I have to say it feels stronger on that class.

What sets do you run?

Automaton+Sword Singer+Balorgh & Master DW off bar.

Could be interesting with the new Blackrose 2H as well (and going 3x Agi instead of 5x Automaton or 5x Sword Singer) since you can put nearby people to Onslaught range with it, tho it's quite a bit less damage.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

2h? you mean momentum stick?

cpuScientist · October 2018

2h is there for momentum or rally. Nothing else. Now if wrecking blow not dizzy just wrecking was given instant cast and the cost damage yadda reduced, well now we're in business. And dizzy is landable open world. But *** is it frustrating when it misses because it's 1 second aaaaaand nothing and seeing that stupid cacneled animation is so annoying. You FEEL when your dizzy misses or gets cancelled, when a surprise misses you don't FEEL it.

iCaliban · October 2018

Hey guys, not to derail the thread, but Im making a heavy armor stamden for the next patch. Following alcast's guide. Is S/B front bar better than DW? 2h back bar.

Strider__Roshin · October 2018

iCaliban wrote: »

Hey guys, not to derail the thread, but Im making a heavy armor stamden for the next patch. Following alcast's guide. Is S/B front bar better than DW? 2h back bar.

I don't believe you.

susmitds · October 2018

iCaliban wrote: »

Hey guys, not to derail the thread, but Im making a heavy armor stamden for the next patch. Following alcast's guide. Is S/B front bar better than DW? 2h back bar.

If you have Master Axes then nothing beats DW backbar/frontbar, except maybe Master Bow backbar. Otherwise, everything works to an extent.

DDuke · October 2018

cpuScientist wrote: »

2h is there for momentum or rally. Nothing else. Now if wrecking blow not dizzy just wrecking was given instant cast and the cost damage yadda reduced, well now we're in business. And dizzy is landable open world. But *** is it frustrating when it misses because it's 1 second aaaaaand nothing and seeing that stupid cacneled animation is so annoying. You FEEL when your dizzy misses or gets cancelled, when a surprise misses you don't FEEL it.

But you also feel it when it connects, sends someone flying and your Light Attack+Onslaught smacks them down

One of the more satisfying combos in this game to land.

usmcjdking · October 2018

2H is outperformed by everything ATM in PVP.