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Major Expedition Access Nerf
mojomood
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Thanks for looking into the speed issue for players. However, your changes won't accomplish your stated goal. Most stam characters in PvP don't use skills to get access to Major Expedition, they use speed pots. Speed/Stam/Weapon Crit or Speed/Stam/Immovability is the standard and gives 100% uptime on Major Expedition. The Forward Momentum change does make it cost prohibitive to keep up permanent snare immunity (more based on GCDs then stam cost) so thanks for that. Light armor wearers will still get destroyed next patch. Please continue to balance armor passives. Make light worth and medium worth it for more than the class that can survive by disengaging at will.
Edited by mojomood on October 1, 2018 7:27PM @ZOS_Wrobel
Thanks for looking into the speed issue for players. However, your changes won't accomplish your stated goal. Most stam characters in PvP don't use skills to get access to Major Expedition, they use speed pots. Speed/Stam/Weapon Crit or Speed/Stam/Immovability is the standard and gives 100% uptime on Major Expedition. The Forward Momentum change does make it cost prohibitive to keep up permanent snare immunity (more based on GCDs then stam cost) so thanks for that. Light armor wearers will still get destroyed next patch. Please continue to balance armor passives. Make light worth and medium worth it for more than the class that can survive by disengaging at will.
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Told you all to not mess with speed lol. Enjoy the changes lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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vovus69✭✭✭✭usual brain fart from zos. They have no clue what is causing the issue and fixing wrong things as usual
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Speed pots. Something stam gets but not magic FeelsBadManFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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NobleX35✭✭✭✭
Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.
So instead of asking for nerfs to speed pots, you should have been asking for a magicka oriented speed pot..."Only the dead have seen the end of war."1 -
codestripper✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Speed pots will actually be addressed next week; we just ran out of time to get it into today's patch, that's all.Since everyone seems to be doing this,
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.
So instead of asking for nerfs to speed pots, you should have been asking for a magicka oriented speed pot...
No, we asked for nerf to Forward Momentum only since it completely voids snare mechanics. There are a few, of who shall not be named, that advocated for a complete nerf of the system and here we are.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭I like all the speed nerfs except VO. That is a pve set so I don't think it needed a nerf.Edited by Kanar on October 1, 2018 6:15PM1 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭
Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.
So instead of asking for nerfs to speed pots, you should have been asking for a magicka oriented speed pot...
No, we asked for nerf to Forward Momentum only since it completely voids snare mechanics. There are a few, of who shall not be named, that advocated for a complete nerf of the system and here we are.
I agree that Forward momentum was definitely a contributing factor. Extremely annoying that they decided to go nuclear on everything."Only the dead have seen the end of war."0 -
dagonbeer✭✭✭I think nerfs to speed pot + nerfs to major expedition abilities + nerf to FM would have been enough (though I think FM immunity could be reduced some more, along with casting cost.) I wish swift jewellery wasn't nerfed, though I get the reasoning.0
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Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.
So instead of asking for nerfs to speed pots, you should have been asking for a magicka oriented speed pot...
No, we asked for nerf to Forward Momentum only since it completely voids snare mechanics. There are a few, of who shall not be named, that advocated for a complete nerf of the system and here we are.
If only my magsorc could somehow profit from the FM nerf/ snare "buff" by having any snares on it's skill trees.1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope, just forward momentum. Mag builds needed the speed without the stam drain, but had no pot that gave us mag back like stamina has.
Swift solved that issue for us, at cost of great resources lost. Now we are back to square one.
So instead of asking for nerfs to speed pots, you should have been asking for a magicka oriented speed pot...
No, we asked for nerf to Forward Momentum only since it completely voids snare mechanics. There are a few, of who shall not be named, that advocated for a complete nerf of the system and here we are.
I agree that Forward momentum was definitely a contributing factor. Extremely annoying that they decided to go nuclear on everything.
Yea I agree, and it's because of that avenue that ZOS takes often, that some of us would rather deal with things on Live than to watch zos ruin it for builds/classes that actually needed some of these traits.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭Who complained about speed pots before swift was introduced?
Anyone? No? Not a single post about it?
So why are people asking for it to be nerfed now? Y’all realize that asking for nerfs is what got us into this mess of a patch right?9 -
mojomood✭✭✭@Chilly-McFreeze I've asked for a speed/sorcery/magicka pot since I played my first magicka character in PvP. Coming from playing a stam character, it was huge day one. I would love to hear that their change next patch is to add those pots, but I doubt it will be coming. Probably gonna be a nerf to something similar to the immovability 10 second timeframe.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
Agreed. All it needed was forward momentum to swap it's duration with shuffle and maybe add a speed cap, but they had to waste an entire week of nerfing speed access lol.
It might be easier/cheaper to fire some devs and bring in college interns that have experience playing the game lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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BaylorCorvette✭✭✭✭✭The duration reduction to Forward Momentum is good, but Shuffle should be brought up some. FM still way more cost effective than Shuffle and longer duration.Supreme Leader Corvette - StamSorc
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✭They are nerfing speed pots too.
So they nerf swift (not that I used it anyway) nerf fw and now nerfing speed pots.
I am fine with swift and fw nerfs tbh but I am not looking forward to the speed pot nerfs. Just amazes me how most people can't just ask for buffs to something, like buff medium, or give magicka a speed pot option, but nah, nerf heavy and nerf "stam" speed pots.1 -
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✭✭✭✭@Chilly-McFreeze I've asked for a speed/sorcery/magicka pot since I played my first magicka character in PvP. Coming from playing a stam character, it was huge day one. I would love to hear that their change next patch is to add those pots, but I doubt it will be coming. Probably gonna be a nerf to something similar to the immovability 10 second timeframe.
I'd wait for next week to see how severe the pot nerfs are before I put effort into parading for mag + speed pots. Maybe they make mE pots irrelevant with an overnerf, wouldn't surprpise me.0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭I’m getting so tired of Magicka crybabies. Every post is made of tears and people complaining that they can’t have it all. Can’t you just stop asking dumb things,learn to play and then come here again asking reasonable things?
Really,making light on par with other armors? Always acting like the underdogs lol I think I should stop caring about this clown fiesta forum.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NERF nerf nerf nerf bu- NERF NERF buff.
Seems to be the pattern here. At one point are you just going to make every class play exactly the same way. It's the only way you can get true balance so just do it already.
The classes can just be animation cflavour and colouring at this point.1 -
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✭✭✭I guess they really want to make NB have group utility via Major Expedition, huh?Argonian forever0 -
Leocaran✭✭✭
O_o o_O But what about Encase/Prisons? And mines?Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »If only my magsorc could somehow profit from the FM nerf/ snare "buff" by having any snares on it's skill trees.Edited by Leocaran on October 1, 2018 7:05PM0 -
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O_o o_O But what about Encase/Prisons? And mines?Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »If only my magsorc could somehow profit from the FM nerf/ snare "buff" by having any snares on it's skill trees.
That's a class skill. Stam gets access to snares from weapon abilities.ALACRITY Emperors united RIP
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