Mages seem to have pretty limited choices - summoning, storm, and dark. If a mage is a 'good' character, can they use dark magic? I only have the name to go by - though the demonlike pets summoned by the summoning magic are rather worrisome as well. What's a good mage to do, only lightning?
MLGProPlayer wrote: »"Evil" is generally accepted to mean any action that hurts an innocent party..
MLGProPlayer wrote: »TheShadowScout wrote: »No, evil is a -moral- concept.evil is a mortal concept
What is evil for some is honorable for others.
What is normal for some is evil for others.
Cannibalism is evil, unless you ask a Bosmer. Daedra are evil, unless you ask an ashlander. Eating your veggies is good, unless you ask a bosmer. Slavery is evil, unless you ask a telvanni. Murder is evil, unless you ask a follower of sithis. The divines are good, unless you ask a daedric cultist. Madness is evil, unless you ask uncle Sheo. Undeath is evil unless you ask a vampire. Law enforcement is good, unless you ask a thief. Necromancy is evil, unless you ask a necromancer.
Et cetera...
"Good and Evil aren't always!", as the great sage of shadowdale once was reported saying - even tho that is a different franchise, and a different world, the fact remains that "evil" often depends entirely on your point of view...
Also, "Dark Magic" can have two definitions. One is "evil-ish magic", the other is... magic dealing with some sort of darkness. Like... dark crystals. I always assumed that was the origin of the skill line for ESO...
"Evil" is generally accepted to mean any action that hurts an innocent party.
That means slavery, murder, ***, etc.
I don't think the Telvanni would deny that slavery is evil. They just don't give a ***.
Bouldercleave wrote: »We trap the souls of our enemies (sometimes human, sometimes not) and use their essence to recharge the weapons that we use to kill and destroy eachother.
Are ANY of us without a bit of evil?...
Bouldercleave wrote: »We trap the souls of our enemies (sometimes human, sometimes not) and use their essence to recharge the weapons that we use to kill and destroy eachother.
Are ANY of us without a bit of evil?...
that is indeed morally wrong, but since it's a game, there is no real repercussion, so who cares.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
Mages seem to have pretty limited choices - summoning, storm, and dark. If a mage is a 'good' character, can they use dark magic? I only have the name to go by - though the demonlike pets summoned by the summoning magic are rather worrisome as well. What's a good mage to do, only lightning?
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
(I would personally like to know which plane of existence these crystals come from, as well as where they're banished to during that flash of light when they strike their target, but I'm just a huge lore hound when it comes to picking apart the magic, tools, and artifacts of the game.
AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Manny Kant isn't in tamriel, so we have no objective way of knowing if it's evil or not. "Dark" is just a word that has no moral significance, is day good and night evil? Are Reguards evil and Bretons good? Dark just means mysterious and cool, like Poldark's eyes. You don't think Poldark is evil do you?
Androconium wrote: »AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Manny Kant isn't in tamriel, so we have no objective way of knowing if it's evil or not. "Dark" is just a word that has no moral significance, is day good and night evil? Are Reguards evil and Bretons good? Dark just means mysterious and cool, like Poldark's eyes. You don't think Poldark is evil do you?
I don't want to be Poldarked.
MLGProPlayer wrote: »Summoning daedra isn't evil since you're just summoning them to serve you. Everyone does it, including members of the Psijic Order (there are atronoch servants tending to the land in Artaeum).
The only evil magic in TES lore is necromancy.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »Technically anything that is powered by some pact with Oblivion and Daedric realms would be considered "evil".
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Ive always considered dark magic to be a combination of conjuration, alteration, and in some cases mysticism schools of magic.
Take crystal fragments.
The user summons otherworldly crystals out of nowhere, magically manipulates them into a projectile, and then telekinetically hurls them at his target.
(I would personally like to know which plane of existence these crystals come from, as well as where they're banished to during that flash of light when they strike their target, but I'm just a huge lore hound when it comes to picking apart the magic, tools, and artifacts of the game.
The fact that the majority of the crystals vanish as they hit the target leads me to believe that the conjuration was unstable, and the sorcerer was somehow using that unstable summoning, which evidently collapses violently, as the bulk of the damage on top of the kinetic impact of the mass itself, perhaps giving it that explosive property that you see throwing shards off everywhere. Crystal Blast comes to mind.)
I don't consider it destruction magic, as destruction seemed to focus more on mortal energies, such as flame, frost, and shock, that were already active potentials present in their immediate area. You can heat air directly, and somehow create a combustion magically, but you're utilizing the immediate environment nonetheless.
Magic schools have social stigma attached to them, but I don't consider dark magic, or the nightblade's admittedly scarier shadow magic, evil. They're all tools to be assigned morality through the will of their users.
Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Ive always considered dark magic to be a combination of conjuration, alteration, and in some cases mysticism schools of magic.
Take crystal fragments.
The user summons otherworldly crystals out of nowhere, magically manipulates them into a projectile, and then telekinetically hurls them at his target.
(I would personally like to know which plane of existence these crystals come from, as well as where they're banished to during that flash of light when they strike their target, but I'm just a huge lore hound when it comes to picking apart the magic, tools, and artifacts of the game.
The fact that the majority of the crystals vanish as they hit the target leads me to believe that the conjuration was unstable, and the sorcerer was somehow using that unstable summoning, which evidently collapses violently, as the bulk of the damage on top of the kinetic impact of the mass itself, perhaps giving it that explosive property that you see throwing shards off everywhere. Crystal Blast comes to mind.)
I don't consider it destruction magic, as destruction seemed to focus more on mortal energies, such as flame, frost, and shock, that were already active potentials present in their immediate area. You can heat air directly, and somehow create a combustion magically, but you're utilizing the immediate environment nonetheless.
Magic schools have social stigma attached to them, but I don't consider dark magic, or the nightblade's admittedly scarier shadow magic, evil. They're all tools to be assigned morality through the will of their users.
I believe crystal have connection to dark soul gems from Coldharbour, they have very similar visual traits just compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI7q_BOglXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQW1gIWhnbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0JhmIsqF7o
and
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/soul-gems-scattered-2/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/soul-gems-pile/
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/soul-gem-single/
Also soul gem inside of Enchanting Stations have glow similar to crystals from Dark Magic
Perhaps Dark Exchange use conjured filled soul gems as source of restorative power as Vestige already use filled soul gems to restore his body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8zM6vtpDzI
Oh that is just pure nonsense!TheShadowScout wrote: »the fact remains that "evil" often depends entirely on your point of view...
Oh that is just pure nonsense!TheShadowScout wrote: »the fact remains that "evil" often depends entirely on your point of view...
Some things are good and some things are bad! Simple! Read the 9 Commands of the Eight Divines if you still don't get it!
I feel like a lot of people are swept away by 50 Shades of Grey and think they're more mature because they're impartial, that nothing is true. They can stuff it. Deep down they know what's what. The road to Oblivion is paved with good intentions, sure, but sincerity and intention cannot define the reality the Aedra have made for us!
What is good:
1. Be kind and generous.
2. Honor the earth, its creatures, and respect the living and dead.
3. Live soberly and peacefully.
4. Work hard.
5. Respect nature.
6. It's such a wonderful thing to love.
7. Don't tell lies that you know to be lies.
8. Work together.
9. Be good to one another.
Mages seem to have pretty limited choices - summoning, storm, and dark. If a mage is a 'good' character, can they use dark magic? I only have the name to go by - though the demonlike pets summoned by the summoning magic are rather worrisome as well. What's a good mage to do, only lightning?