How are magicka classes supposed to stay alive?

evoniee · September 2018

Icestaff blocking + backbar resto staff.
OMEGALUL

Sparr0w · September 2018

Major Ward/Resolve + Health glyph + Blue food + Ice Heart/Bloodspawn/Valkyn.

All honesty tho I'm rolling a MagPlar or going back to stam should this stay.

Tendoshii · September 2018

Bakkagami wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Dodging and blocking requires stamina and stamina regen, which magicka classes don't have.

Magicka classes had shields before, which consumed magicka. With shields being effectively removed from the game, we are defenseless.

Sorc - streak into ward (even if they bash the first one u have 6 seconds for the next)

Streak doesn’t stop you from being targeted. Those projectiles still land unless you use the other morph. But then you lose a lot of the stun. Still have to wait 2 seconds to get the ward up since you have the cast time and then the actual shield going up. If you get bashed, you then have to wait another two seconds for your ward to be effective. Let me know how your light armor build does under duress when you spend 3 seconds just to get one shield applied.

Mettaricana · September 2018

L2p and git gudder don't stand in aoes, rely on tanks to take hits

LonePirate · September 2018

I am wondering if we can expect many more changes like this shield cast time change. I think ZOS has decided to abandon any pretense of achieving a Magicka and Stamina balance so they have started destroying Magicka classes before eliminating them entirely. Once everyone plays a Stamina build, ZOS no longer has to worry about balance issues. Problem solved!

StShoot · September 2018

yahuhu wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

yahuhu wrote: »

Use the brain. He helped humanity survive for years ...

Oh yes, my incredible intellect will sure stop PvE bosses with little to no tell from killing me with a one shot before I can get up my shield. I forgot we all have the choice to out wit them. My bad entirely.

Your intellect is not able to think for raise your health and resists? All other classes do it 4 years and somehow survive completely without shields.

Hm yeah but most classes are not build around shields unlike sorcs xD Sorcs have no realy reliable selfheal and before you mention the Pets they are neither reliable or costworthy, neither is surge.
In Pve all magica classes used shields, as for stam chars they have blade cloak and vigor to survive AND more stamina to block, dodge and sprint.

To everybody who said: Good players addapt.... yeah they did they changed to stamina xD

kaithuzar · September 2018

2 words...
Stack Resistances

ZonasArch · September 2018

StShoot wrote: »

yahuhu wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

yahuhu wrote: »

Use the brain. He helped humanity survive for years ...

Oh yes, my incredible intellect will sure stop PvE bosses with little to no tell from killing me with a one shot before I can get up my shield. I forgot we all have the choice to out wit them. My bad entirely.

Your intellect is not able to think for raise your health and resists? All other classes do it 4 years and somehow survive completely without shields.

Hm yeah but most classes are not build around shields unlike sorcs xD Sorcs have no realy reliable selfheal and before you mention the Pets they are neither reliable or costworthy, neither is surge.
In Pve all magica classes used shields, as for stam chars they have blade cloak and vigor to survive AND more stamina to block, dodge and sprint.

To everybody who said: Good players addapt.... yeah they did they changed to stamina xD

As a mag player myself, with 7 out of 8 toons, I don't want to change to Stam but I will if I have to. That's it, right there, you know what to do to adapt, so go ahead and do it, or do as I did before, and take the balance, learn to work around it with your build and keep on magicking. They beauty of this game is that you can truly reset your character at any point to do whatever the [child friendly content] you want with your build.

Be free to evolve.

keeno9881 · September 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcQ38iFxSkE&feature=youtu.be

Jsmalls · September 2018

ZonasArch wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Roger_kun wrote: »

All the problems of the game are solved by inputting DIFFERENT mechanics of abilities for PvE and PvP

Shields arent a problem. Period. Not in pve, not in pvp. The forum whine crowd that complains about shields are trolls and terrible players in need of a lesson in L2P

If it continues like this, the players who celebrate this nerf will just become the next target. They dont seem to realize this, but "revenge" is not a valid argument when it comes to game balance.
Their happiness will be short-lived. Thsi soldier of anguish set is gonna harass newbies much harder than any magsorc.

Difference between us is that I have been hit by multiple nerfs before as a magplar and I just adapted and never really cared much. Same for mostly everyone else except this time, with babysorcs.

It's not about revenge, or payback, or being the OP build of the cycle, this is just the nature of game balance, meta and competitive gaming in general. It'll change, constantly. You do that Cha get, THAT'S when the game dies.

L2p, adapt, evolve, overcome, grow up! Or if you're that hurt because you were hit by nerfs this time, jump ship. I hear there's a bunch of MMOs around that suck bones, don't get balance changes and are pretty much dead already, if that's what you like. Google them, get the OP build and go enjoy your days on the top again.

Meanwhile, I'll go back to using my other skills that didn't get nerf. There are SO many options. So many!

@ZonasArch

Spoken as a true player that has never touched a Magicka Sorc.

This is the equivalent of giving breath of life a 1 second cast time.

We use shields instead of direct healing (due to lack of class options), and you use direct healing because it synergizes with your class.

We're not speaking out because we're not OP anymore. We're speaking out because we can no longer be competitive.

You say adapt. Adapt to what? Wasting two bars for an AI pet that can be killed, get stuck, and takes a cast time itself?

Using combat prayer for a 3-6k heal? Having an entire bar of resto staff skills? Mutagen, combat prayer, healing Ward, resto ult, etc etc etc.

Heal with power surge for at BEST 1k a second while offensive. Or 500 from a frag hit...

None of that is competitive.

We'd love to adapt. But there is nothing to adapt to.

It's easy to say people are complaining without reason. It takes knowledge of the entire game to think otherwise.
Clearly you lack the second.

BattleAxe · September 2018

Everyone is failing to see the true case and point in the shield cast time as it stands on live magicka toons can spec fully into damage becuz they have the instant protection of a damage shield as stamina must either dodge role or spec into some damage mitigation sacrificing dps with this change adding a cast time to shields now magicka players will no longer be able to spec out as glass cannons with their instant shields now correct me if I’m wrong this in the end is gonna create more build diversity which is sadly lacking in this game

Ender1310 · September 2018

You have to play now create separation maybe spec resource regen heavy to streak more maybe give up damage. Stam toons have hade this problem since inception. Cc then shield. Streak/mistform shield.

Akimbro · September 2018

PVP mag players will just go back to a heavy armor meta, or become bankers!

dagonbeer · September 2018

BattleAxe wrote: »

Everyone is failing to see the true case and point in the shield cast time as it stands on live magicka toons can spec fully into damage becuz they have the instant protection of a damage shield as stamina must either dodge role or spec into some damage mitigation sacrificing dps with this change adding a cast time to shields now magicka players will no longer be able to spec out as glass cannons with their instant shields now correct me if I’m wrong this in the end is gonna create more build diversity which is sadly lacking in this game

That's why the stam meta is using heavy armor (except maybe stamnbs). Fortunately, there are some very strong heavy armors for stam which has no magicka equivalent.

mr_wazzabi · September 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

In PvE, it's really no different than the current state of Stamina builds in end game, which is to say end game is going to be dead AF unless people start making some serious sacrifices elsewhere. I'm talking DPS actually needing to invest into Health, Healers dropping Warhorn for Barrier with Gossamer on top for extra protection, Warden/Templar/NB DPS using Northern Storm/Nova/Veil as their go to ultimates just to survive, Tanks running Bone Shield being outright required, Circle of Protection being used liberally, etc. etc. etc.

Magicka classes can only block or dodge twice before running out of stamina. And with no stamina regen, it takes a while to regenerate. Magicka classes were explicitly designed by ZOS to use shields for damage mitigation. They simply cannot rely on block/dodge.

Putting points into stamina results in a HUGE DPS loss. Swapping out 10k magicka for 10k stamina, for example, would be the equivalent of around 1k spell damage. This would put magicka DPS at under 30k.

Maybe ZOS wants competitive dps to cap at 30k instead of 50k, hence these changes. They want nb dps to run veil of blades instead of elemental rage etc.

Vahrokh · September 2018

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo?

They're not.

The enemy is supposed to die first, that's how "glass cannons" live.
Light armor isn't supposed to out-tank the enemy in full max magicka.

I am totally going to melt those 60 million health points bosses on my sorc, before they kill me!

The tank is supposed to take boss attention.

Yes, bosses do have random target mechanics and big AoEs, but maybe this is where they realize they need to tweak those encounters or stop designing to make dps jobs risky if the tank is actually doing their job right.

I never thought it was right for the taunt to just not work in specific situations, just invalidating the tank's job and skill completely.

It just shall not going to happen. They shall NOT change the whole content for one class.
What has happened in the past to various classes (magsorcs included) is that they greatly BREAK THEM TO GARBAGE and then take one whole year+ to make it barely decent again.
The main idea is: players are too stupid to quit subscribing (giving a strong signal), so they'll go through any abuse no problem.

Mystrius_Archaion · September 2018

Tendoshii wrote: »

Bakkagami wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Dodging and blocking requires stamina and stamina regen, which magicka classes don't have.

Magicka classes had shields before, which consumed magicka. With shields being effectively removed from the game, we are defenseless.

Sorc - streak into ward (even if they bash the first one u have 6 seconds for the next)

Streak doesn’t stop you from being targeted. Those projectiles still land unless you use the other morph. But then you lose a lot of the stun. Still have to wait 2 seconds to get the ward up since you have the cast time and then the actual shield going up. If you get bashed, you then have to wait another two seconds for your ward to be effective. Let me know how your light armor build does under duress when you spend 3 seconds just to get one shield applied.

FYI, bashing will not interrupt shields as of Monday's patch 4.2.1.
Get correct information before you post incorrect.

By the way, don't think I'm on the side of the cast time. I don't care either way about the cast time other than it will not serve any purpose and cast times can always be interrupted in other ways than bashing, which is how cast times are broken in this game and need fixing in some way.
Just read all the patch notes before trying to use incorrect information to prop up your point or it will be a house of cards tumbling down.

Mystrius_Archaion · September 2018

Mettaricana wrote: »

L2p and git gudder don't stand in aoes, rely on tanks to take hits

"Play deader."

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TheDoomsdayMonster · September 2018

Minno wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

This is a buff if you use iceheart. Seriously.

Or any other free shield set lol

Combat Physician says hi!

OrdoHermetica · September 2018

...Thunderbug? But seriously, it was always kind of a neat set, and now it might actually have a chance for its time in the sun.

(2 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance

(3 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance

(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(5 items) When you take Physical Damage, you have a 50% chance to deal 5160 Shock Damage in a 5 meter radius around you. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.

Thunderbug chest, weapons, and a couple pieces of Jewelry and you have some pretty solid Physical and Spell Resistance, plus some extra Physical from heavy chest, while also still having some Spell Damage. And that 5-piece bonus isn't amazing, but it's not terrible either. Especially for sorcs.

Definitely lower DPS than before, but that's decent survivability without completely destroying DPS output.