145 outraged players. ZOS will be okay.

I don’t understand how Sorcerers still have the reputation of being overpowered to so many people. It is pretty much unanimous in the end game PVE community that they are one of the weakest classes at the moment. I don’t think any serious PVPers consider them top notch either. Somehow they’re still the subject of daily nerf threads and continue to get knocked down every patch.

I saw this same process happen in a different MMO which I played for years. Certain developers had a certain vision or a certain idea of what the game should be like, and they implemented it, completely ignoring the feedback of their players. Changes drove players away, drove players from pvp, at one point causing probably half of the pvp playerbase to quit at once. Did they reverse those changes they made that caused such a large departure of players? No, and in fact at some points they doubled down on those changes and made things worse.

Your feedback really just doesn't matter all that much. Don't be surprised if things go live in a state that will upset a large portion of the playerbase, even causing some of them to quit, because of some developer's grand vision or whatever.

Sharee wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

of course the poll looks like this lol it is biased as hell lmao. Make a neutral poll then see how it will look! Also this is barly week 2 so how about yall try to build your easymode character around it instead of complaing abiut a change that’s unlikely to be reversed. If you build your character right and play smartly then that cast time wont affect you as much as you think. yes it is a nerf to sorcs but it was long long needed.

How is this poll bias, when the number of positive answer choice is equal to the negative, yet more than 70% of people still chose the negative one?

It is biased because it only takes the opinion of sorcerers into account.

With that method, you could come to any result you want. For example, you could conclude that theft is fine, because 90% of poll responders said so (while you only asked thieves).

Lowkey comparing sorcs to thieves. OP strats.

Please stop crying about the cast time and just adapt. Sorcs have negated all crit chance, crit damage and penetration investment for the entirety of this game's existence. This is a good change. I hope zos doesn't just listen to the loud moaners on the forum and instead sticks to their guns.

cheemers wrote: »

Please stop crying about the cast time and just adapt. Sorcs have negated all crit chance, crit damage and penetration investment for the entirety of this game's existence. This is a good change. I hope zos doesn't just listen to the loud moaners on the forum and instead sticks to their guns.

And please think for the entirety of the game and not for your own sake

Is a known fact that Pools are useless when it comes to balance, that's why you never going to see the DEVs making pools for balance discussions.
I saw the dozen pools you made last week, if i was a mod i would probably closed and/or delete the posts to avoid this exact situation. Balance is not done by going what the majority thinks, specially when the majority doesn't even understand the game well enough to actually give accurate feedback or is completly biased.

Probably nobody in the dev team cares about the result of your pools, and nobody should. That being said, i dont like the cast time on shields.

ecru wrote: »

I saw this same process happen in a different MMO which I played for years. Certain developers had a certain vision or a certain idea of what the game should be like, and they implemented it, completely ignoring the feedback of their players. Changes drove players away, drove players from pvp, at one point causing probably half of the pvp playerbase to quit at once. Did they reverse those changes they made that caused such a large departure of players? No, and in fact at some points they doubled down on those changes and made things worse.

Your feedback really just doesn't matter all that much. Don't be surprised if things go live in a state that will upset a large portion of the playerbase, even causing some of them to quit, because of some developer's grand vision or whatever.

I have seen developers doing that on another PvP MMO (WH).
I also have taken screenshots of when they closed down their last server.

Apparently they had annoyed a bit too many players.

VaranisArano wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

I'm completely baffled to see they didn't remove this idiocy entirely on 4.2.1. I HATE shield spamming sorcs and even I know this decision is completely awful.

Maybe because Rob Garrett stated they were going to make the cast time uninterruptible and reserve any further changes for future PTS patches.

There'll 1 more week. Even if they reverted this braindead nerf (unlikely), they'd put up a "something else" that won't be properly checked because the next week they have to release.

Past history shows that "week 3" adjustments often fizzle in the most extravagant and explosive ways. And lead to further, horripilant new nerfs.

ResTandRespeC wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

of course the poll looks like this lol it is biased as hell lmao. Make a neutral poll then see how it will look! Also this is barly week 2 so how about yall try to build your easymode character around it instead of complaing abiut a change that’s unlikely to be reversed. If you build your character right and play smartly then that cast time wont affect you as much as you think. yes it is a nerf to sorcs but it was long long needed.

How is this poll bias, when the number of positive answer choice is equal to the negative, yet more than 70% of people still chose the negative one?

It is biased because it only takes the opinion of sorcerers into account.

With that method, you could come to any result you want. For example, you could conclude that theft is fine, because 90% of poll responders said so (while you only asked thieves).

Lowkey comparing sorcs to thieves. OP strats.

I'm not comparing sorcs to thieves, i'm comparing a poll about sorcs to a poll about thieves (because both will be biased in a similar way).

Community needs more than 1 week with the changes thou... I agree cast times are pretty bad but I've learnt to deal with them on Templar since beta.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

of course the poll looks like this lol it is biased as hell lmao. Make a neutral poll then see how it will look! Also this is barly week 2 so how about yall try to build your easymode character around it instead of complaing abiut a change that’s unlikely to be reversed. If you build your character right and play smartly then that cast time wont affect you as much as you think. yes it is a nerf to sorcs but it was long long needed.

How is it biased? Lol

A better question might be: How can you have a statistically relevant poll on a forum who's responders are a minor portion of the game population and who self-select for whether or not they are going to answer the poll question?

Frankly, you can't. The question/answer could be the most unbiased thing to ever be objective, but the sampling is just plain bad methodology.