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Overlooked or intentional? Sweeps vs Evations
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Volckodav✭✭✭And I wonder, does the new evasion (-25% on aoe damage) gave by cloak and shuffle, and also by the NB's skill stack with other sources of evasion, i.e leki or there is a cap at 25%??
if not you can build to have like -50% aoe seems pretty OP!0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And I wonder, does the new evasion (-25% on aoe damage) gave by cloak and shuffle, and also by the NB's skill stack with other sources of evasion, i.e leki or there is a cap at 25%??
if not you can build to have like -50% aoe seems pretty OP!
lekis is not a named buff, so they will stack but not additive like you think, it is multiplicative, so those 2 would be a reduction of 43.75%Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on September 24, 2018 3:11PM1 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is one of the changes I like the most about this patch. Rework of evasion is quite good IMHO, right now some builds (looking at you stamdens) can do unbelievable aoe damage. In case of templar jabs and sweeps, maybe it would be worth to consider so the closest target would be treated as a single target while everything else would be aoe, would need some testing though."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Have You actually tried to use jabs at roll dodging opponent ? Because it seems like You didnt. There is a difference between jabs description and reality of using that ability in PvP.
I have, and what I stated is accurate. If your opponent is trying to roll away you'll continue pressuring with your jabs, but they can roll out of the way by rolling out of your cone which is going to be more difficult this update due to the change in how jabs is aimed.
Well atleast a laughed a little. Seriously I do not want to call You a liar but Your words suggest You are one. If You would spend few hours of playing solo PvP on templar You would know how jabs works in reality. You would know that if enemie will dodge or even walk through You or just moves around fast enough it basicly destroys jabs targeting and despite the fact You will still visually jab him there is no dmg. You can do much better dmg with brainless steel tornado spam at that point. Of course if enemie is standing basicly at You and You jab him and he will dodge in front of You then You'll still do dmg but we're not discussing potatoes who dont know how to use roll dodge. If theories about abilities usefulness would be cerated around their effectiveness against potatoes every class would get similar nerfs as magsorc is getting since few updates.
Edited by Juhasow on September 24, 2018 3:30PM1 -
Sky_WK✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
Really? My man, you've got some learning to do. You don't need jabs.
If you need a hand to hold just use Overwhelming Surge, Sload's, and Skoria and just get your kills block-casting heals.
This guy magplars.i do not read replies. still playing stamdk for some reason.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The evasion changes seems to me like a shot from the hip, without second thoughts. Like others said, it's not only Jabs but also Hurricane, DB, Tornado, Rend, Shalks, etc. Time to use that 2h ult, I guess.1 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’m in support of this change, this is coming from someone with fully geared Stam warden, Stam Sorc, and now a stamplar. It will help slow down the Zerg AoE trains. Heck I might even run Leki with it and use a dot build hmm.PvP needs more love.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Have You actually tried to use jabs at roll dodging opponent ? Because it seems like You didnt. There is a difference between jabs description and reality of using that ability in PvP.
I have, and what I stated is accurate. If your opponent is trying to roll away you'll continue pressuring with your jabs, but they can roll out of the way by rolling out of your cone which is going to be more difficult this update due to the change in how jabs is aimed.
Well atleast a laughed a little. Seriously I do not want to call You a liar but Your words suggest You are one. If You would spend few hours of playing solo PvP on templar You would know how jabs works in reality. You would know that if enemie will dodge or even walk through You or just moves around fast enough it basicly destroys jabs targeting and despite the fact You will still visually jab him there is no dmg. You can do much better dmg with brainless steel tornado spam at that point. Of course if enemie is standing basicly at You and You jab him and he will dodge in front of You then You'll still do dmg but we're not discussing potatoes who dont know how to use roll dodge. If theories about abilities usefulness would be cerated around their effectiveness against potatoes every class would get similar nerfs as magsorc is getting since few updates.
That's nice.0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭It’s a HUGE but indirect buff to nbs.
With the old evasion you had chances to passively dodge incap/sa but you couldn’t reduce the dmg of aoe. Now it’s the opposite,meaning a medium armor char will always eat the incap/sa but can mitigate a jab.
Don’t get me wrong,I appreciate the change but something has to be done to balance the new situation0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just to put the cherry on top of the Nightblade, they get major evasion as a class skill, and not tied to medium armor, weapon choice, or a skill that takes them out of cloak. It is the only class with easy access to major evasion as a magicka, light armor build. It costs magicka which is always a useful trait for a utility skill for both stamina and magicka builds.
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