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Overlooked or intentional? Sweeps vs Evations
Dr.NRG
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Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.3 -
NuarBlack✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.6 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Not the only class with a lot of aoe in their kit. Stam sorc: hurricane, blade cloak, dawnbreaker. Etc. This hits everyone and remember. 25% aoe dmg reduction was already available to DW users. Not everyone uses medium armor and not everyone will use the skill. I didn't receive an 8 % DMG buff.
Look at shalks, a staple warden ability, everyone is affected. There is other spammables if you find it too weak.Edited by MashmalloMan on September 23, 2018 11:31PMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit2 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
Really? My man, you've got some learning to do. You don't need jabs.
If you need a hand to hold just use Overwhelming Surge, Sload's, and Skoria and just get your kills block-casting heals.
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
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Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.Edited by Tonturri on September 24, 2018 1:50AM7 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.4 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
Really? My man, you've got some learning to do. You don't need jabs.
If you need a hand to hold just use Overwhelming Surge, Sload's, and Skoria and just get your kills block-casting heals.
Overwhelming is considered AoE BTW. I thought so, then tested and confirmed it.
Also, now that I think of it, I may need to test Skoria as well, it hits multiple opponents after all. I'll bet its considered AoE too.Edited by danno8 on September 24, 2018 3:26AM0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
Really? My man, you've got some learning to do. You don't need jabs.
If you need a hand to hold just use Overwhelming Surge, Sload's, and Skoria and just get your kills block-casting heals.
Overwhelming is considered AoE BTW. I thought so, then tested and confirmed it.
Hmm that is surprising considering that it only targets one enemy. It should be analogous to Unfathomable Darkness which is single target damage. Are you sure @danno8? Freaking spaghetti code lol.0 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Good things NB have a stun that goes thru dodgeroll right? Not to mention much higher burst abilities to capitalize on said stun. Templars need to deal sustained damage for their burst (PoTL/PL), all the NB has to do is Fear or catch someone slippin once. No one else has the tools NB has along with their instant burst capabilities. DK's come close with Fossilize+Leap, but Leap is counted as AoE and gets hit with the reduction. If you are seriously "wondering who top dog is gonna be" then I find it hard to continue productive dialogue with you. Hint: It's heavy armor stamblades.
But go ahead and tell the other classes to use 2h ult and other subpar alternatives. As long as NB class abilities are stacked, it's all good right?PC NA
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
Really? My man, you've got some learning to do. You don't need jabs.
If you need a hand to hold just use Overwhelming Surge, Sload's, and Skoria and just get your kills block-casting heals.
Overwhelming is considered AoE BTW. I thought so, then tested and confirmed it.
Hmm that is surprising considering that it only targets one enemy. It should be analogous to Unfathomable Darkness which is single target damage. Are you sure @danno8? Freaking spaghetti code lol.
Yah I noticed it while testing how the 25% buff stacked with Empowering Sweeps. Overwhelming was doing around 500 per tick on an opponent with both stacked.
It is AoE. It is constantly doing an AoE sweep and then attacks the closest target.
I would test Unfathomable but I don't have that set on PTS I don't think.0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Are people really saying this is ok? And to further that, are people really saying things like “yeah dk is affected too, their Talons hits 25% weaker” as if that is even remotely close to a spammable?
Anyone who argues, and I repeat anyone who argues this is a good change should have their forum privileges revoked for blatant bias and just overall illogical reasoning. Can’t believe some of the things I read on these forums, blows my mind.
P.S if you main a stamblade don’t bother responding to me, you’re not getting a response.Edited by templesus on September 24, 2018 3:46AM7 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LOL , ZOS is not gonna nerf Jab btw , they are modifying the dodge passive system , actually they would like to remove them all .
No one care the new effect 25% aoe reduction from major evasion , currently we have blade claok , same effect and lasts 15 second . Slot it or not , depends on the player style . It's not something new .
I think ZOS should listen to you , because we want the major evasion back .1 -
ll_Rev✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
everyone knows your bias towards the best class in the game.2 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Good things NB have a stun that goes thru dodgeroll right? Not to mention much higher burst abilities to capitalize on said stun. Templars need to deal sustained damage for their burst (PoTL/PL), all the NB has to do is Fear or catch someone slippin once. No one else has the tools NB has along with their instant burst capabilities. DK's come close with Fossilize+Leap, but Leap is counted as AoE and gets hit with the reduction. If you are seriously "wondering who top dog is gonna be" then I find it hard to continue productive dialogue with you. Hint: It's heavy armor stamblades.
But go ahead and tell the other classes to use 2h ult and other subpar alternatives. As long as NB class abilities are stacked, it's all good right?
Fear guarantees one attack, not every attack. As far as what I believe is going to be top dog I would guess heavy stamblades as well, but people are creative and we may discover that won't be the case. People like to give stamblades the title of meta before every update before discovering what it really is.2 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
everyone knows your bias towards the best class in the game.
You'd be amazed how little I care about the opinions of the forum posters. If I'm upsetting people on here then I must be doing something right.1 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If everyone switches from safe heavy armor to medium armor just to run over 3k stamina cost skill to negate 25% aoe dmg then your sweeps and your poor templar are just getting buffed....
Cmon. Even you have to see how unbelievably biased your comment is.Are people really saying this is ok? And to further that, are people really saying things like “yeah dk is affected too, their Talons hits 25% weaker” as if that is even remotely close to a spammable?
Anyone who argues, and I repeat anyone who argues this is a good change should have their forum privileges revoked for blatant bias and just overall illogical reasoning. Can’t believe some of the things I read on these forums, blows my mind.
P.S if you main a stamblade don’t bother responding to me, you’re not getting a response.Edited by SodanTok on September 24, 2018 9:27AM2 -
Rukzadlithau✭✭✭✭Are people really saying this is ok? And to further that, are people really saying things like “yeah dk is affected too, their Talons hits 25% weaker” as if that is even remotely close to a spammable?
Anyone who argues, and I repeat anyone who argues this is a good change should have their forum privileges revoked for blatant bias and just overall illogical reasoning. Can’t believe some of the things I read on these forums, blows my mind.
P.S if you main a stamblade don’t bother responding to me, you’re not getting a response.
May god have mercy on your soul from all the „I play stamblade since beta, if it‘s so easy to play try it yourself“ rabid, delusional former magsorc players that will get at you for this comment.0 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭@Daus
What do nightblades have to do with templars' suffering? Just because x class has some differing mechanic to y class means...well, jack in this case. Templars went from lackluster sustained dmg (compared to competition) to...even worse sustained damage, apparently, against a significant chunk of the builds out there. OP is asking if it's intentional or not, and if so, why etc etc. It's a perfectly valid question and I'm not sure why you're trying to drag nightblades into it. Y'all no longer have to worry about being passively dodged. Templars didn't before but were still considered lackluster in comparison, and now they have to worry about their opponent having a massive chunk of additional mitigation.
I for one am looking forward to the new version of Evasion, but am a bit worried as to how it'll change things for the more AoE heavy classes. Stambuild vs stambuild where their burst is (I dunno, let's say stamden) - Fissure + DB. That's a lot of damage being mitigated that wasn't before. Or templars with jabs and their hopefully more useful offensive ult.
The previous incarnation of Evasion was totally inconsistent and may or may not protect you when it was needed - the new version definitely does and...I think pretty much everyone suffers. Except nightblades. Again. LOL, and NBs likely had a more difficult time with the previous version than other classes cuz their bunch of single target bursts could be dodged.
...Also. You can dodge roll through a templar. C'mon now.
Lastly, I'm MUCH more scared of a single attack a NB knows is guaranteed than...well, pretty much any other class who can answer the question 'hey! What're you gonna do if you know your next attack will land'.
Edited by Tonturri on September 24, 2018 9:40AM4 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Daus
What do nightblades have to do with templars' suffering? Just because x class has some differing mechanic to y class means...well, jack in this case. Templars went from lackluster sustained dmg (compared to competition) to...even worse sustained damage, apparently, against a significant chunk of the builds out there. OP is asking if it's intentional or not, and if so, why etc etc. It's a perfectly valid question and I'm not sure why you're trying to drag nightblades into it. Y'all no longer have to worry about being passively dodged. Templars didn't before but were still considered lackluster in comparison, and now they have to worry about their opponent having a massive chunk of additional mitigation.
I for one am looking forward to the new version of Evasion, but am a bit worried as to how it'll change things for the more AoE heavy classes. Stambuild vs stambuild where their burst is (I dunno, let's say stamden) - Fissure + DB. That's a lot of damage being mitigated that wasn't before. Or templars with jabs and their hopefully more useful offensive ult.
The previous incarnation of Evasion was totally inconsistent and may or may not protect you when it was needed - the new version definitely does and...I think pretty much everyone suffers. Except nightblades. Again. LOL, and NBs likely had a more difficult time with the previous version than other classes cuz their bunch of single target bursts could be dodged.
...Also. You can dodge roll through a templar. C'mon now.
Lastly, I'm MUCH more scared of a single attack a NB knows is guaranteed than...well, pretty much any other class who can answer the question 'hey! What're you gonna do if you know your next attack will land'.
Others bring the Nightblade class into the discussion, and so I provide a Stamblade example to provide imagery to my argument.
I'm looking forward to the viability of medium this update
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's intentional. Everyone has access to single target damage options if Major Evasion is widely used by enemies so IMO it's not a problem.
In fact both my magplar and stamplar pvp builds were already entirely single target. I stopped using jabs a long time ago because it's just too hard to hit anything.
How? Templar damage is so tied to burning light and sweeps and jabs are the only way to reliably proc it. Spamming javelins? Cause using anything else is basically abandoning the signiture aspect of the class.
People gave up on it since even burning light is like 1k DMG after mitigation kicks in. As compared to other passives which boost the DMG of the should in that line, or warden that gets 2-4% DMG done for each animal slotted.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I more worried about when zos will fix incorrect jabs damage calculation by red cp. Several templar friends already left game coz it wasnt addressed for 3 updates, and loosing 20+% damage against every single target is frustrating. Loose another 25% on top of this bug in next update is nightmare for dps templar.1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I more worried about when zos will fix incorrect jabs damage calculation by red cp. Several templar friends already left game coz it wasnt addressed for 3 updates, and loosing 20+% damage against every single target is frustrating. Loose another 25% on top of this bug in next update is nightmare for dps templar.
When I tested against a full Medium build using just new Evasion against Jabs, each tick of Puncturing Sweeps hit for around 750 damage. 2900 damage over the course of a 1.1 second channel, lol.
This means a Medium build with Evasion and Vigor up could stand there doing nothing else and my Sweeps wouldn't kill them. Not sure how I am going to take on a target with multiple layers of defense and movement.
Stamblades with Evasion are going to be absolutely impossible to kill solo.2 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I more worried about when zos will fix incorrect jabs damage calculation by red cp. Several templar friends already left game coz it wasnt addressed for 3 updates, and loosing 20+% damage against every single target is frustrating. Loose another 25% on top of this bug in next update is nightmare for dps templar.
When I tested against a full Medium build using just new Evasion against Jabs, each tick of Puncturing Sweeps hit for around 750 damage. 2900 damage over the course of a 1.1 second channel, lol.
This means a Medium build with Evasion and Vigor up could stand there doing nothing else and my Sweeps wouldn't kill them. Not sure how I am going to take on a target with multiple layers of defense and movement.
Stamblades with Evasion are going to be absolutely impossible to kill solo.
Only change is to fix the 3 patch long red CP bug and make burning light undodgeable+unblocked.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I more worried about when zos will fix incorrect jabs damage calculation by red cp. Several templar friends already left game coz it wasnt addressed for 3 updates, and loosing 20+% damage against every single target is frustrating. Loose another 25% on top of this bug in next update is nightmare for dps templar.
When I tested against a full Medium build using just new Evasion against Jabs, each tick of Puncturing Sweeps hit for around 750 damage. 2900 damage over the course of a 1.1 second channel, lol.
This means a Medium build with Evasion and Vigor up could stand there doing nothing else and my Sweeps wouldn't kill them. Not sure how I am going to take on a target with multiple layers of defense and movement.
Stamblades with Evasion are going to be absolutely impossible to kill solo.
Only change is to fix the 3 patch long red CP bug and make burning light undodgeable+unblocked.
Agreed, but this result was with my main Templar (full CP allotted) vs someone with no CP allotted at all.0 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dueled some Templars, watched some Templars duel stam builds with Shuffle. They appear to be doing just fine.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Have You actually tried to use jabs at roll dodging opponent ? Because it seems like You didnt. There is a difference between jabs description and reality of using that ability in PvP.
Edited by Juhasow on September 24, 2018 1:07PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »Dueled some Templars, watched some Templars duel stam builds with Shuffle. They appear to be doing just fine.
vids at all?Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Templars sweeps and jabs are AOE so Im guessing that the change to Evation will be a 5/25% damge reduction to the tempalrs main spammable. Is is intentional or did you overlook this ZOS cause that would be a hard nerf to sweeps while at the same time your are trying to buff this skill.
It's not overlooked. All class's AOEs have been effected (not just Templars):
DK: Talons, Volatile Armor, Eruption, Leap, DK standard, Magma Armor, Inhale
Sorc: Hurricane/Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Negate, and the splash effect of their abilities
NB: Twisted Path, Veil of Blades, Soul Shred, Drain Power
Wardens: Shalks, Sleet Storm, Impaling Shards
Jabs is templar's main class spammable. Not one of the things you list is a class spammable, and several of them aren't used in PvP. Yes, all AoEs are effected - that's basically the tooltip. But templars seem to suffer the most because most of their spammable damage is AoE, compared to (Say) nbs where most of their spammable damage in pvp is single target. Templars will be seeing a rather hefty decrease to the amount of pressure they're able to output post patch against evasion users compared to before.
Yup and while Nightblades are trying to attack a dodge rolling opponent they're doing 0% damage meanwhile the Templar is still able to land their attacks. The Evasion change is more than fair.
Have You actually tried to use jabs at roll dodging opponent ? Because it seems like You didnt. There is a difference between jabs description and reality of using that ability in PvP.
I have, and what I stated is accurate. If your opponent is trying to roll away you'll continue pressuring with your jabs, but they can roll out of the way by rolling out of your cone which is going to be more difficult this update due to the change in how jabs is aimed.0