Save the arctic blast skill!

NyassaV · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

You're kidding right? Magwarden needs a stun

_Ahala_ · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

NyassaV wrote: »

You're kidding right? Magwarden needs a stun

Tanks wanna keep all the winter embrace abilities... if they could take winters revenge too they would lol... it’s funny that tanks and healers can get stuff out of the animal companion and green balance trees but dps is stuck to using the animal companion tree with 1 ult and 3 abilities for dps (2 buffs in the dps tree cause why not)... we really need each ability in the winters embrace tree to have a tank morph and a dps morph or else Magden is gonna feel like half a class

TiZzA93 · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

I play all roles with warden and i feel the old artic blast to be the better skill, either put the stun on polar wind and revert artic blast OR this suggestion:

REVERT artic blast
CHANGE shalk (both morphs) to ADD: apply off balance on hit maybe just PvP if to OP in PvE
CHANGE birds (both morphs) to ADD: to stun target hit for 2-3 secs if off balanced

Zavijah · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

They can find another ability to put a stun on and leave this one alone!!!!!

I Do Not Want what dps I can get from the frost line to be removed. It assists with threat generation and to triggering Chilled on mobs. It's not competive dps, it's not a threat to pvpers.

It merely makes dungeon runs more pleasant, makes me feel like I'm achieving something; and when I am off doing my own thing in the world - experiencing delves, quests, whatever. It's my business alone that I want a durable soloer.

Just because I choose to tank everything but the hardest content, doesn't mean by going down the Health/Magicka path that I should be penalised when not being someone elses' meat shield. Which I've seen the pathetic argument that just by being a tank, I shouldn't expect to be able to dps... at all.

Perhaps there does need to be more synergy exploration for those that want a dps ice mage. Especially around whether it agros threat gen or not. But that overhaul should be done with two modes in mind - Tanking and DPS as split, very separate distinctions. Not this.

LeHarrt91 · September 2018

Add the DoT they took off Arctic to Polar. it didnt do that much damage anyway but was a great for minor maim.

max_only · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

They should change the other morph of artic blast to the stun cause no one uses that and leave this morph alone.

Xsorus wrote: »

I love you have people in this thread saying "We got plenty of heals in the healing line, use that" completely ignoring the other morph bloody Heals still....They just removed all the damage from this morph.....Its now just a *** stun.

Enkil wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I'm a fan of the new version sorry. I want to see the Warden get some more offensive capabilities.

Nothing wrong with more offensive capabilities and I doubt anyone will argue against that one bit. However, Arctic Blast is already being used for multiple totally different purposes and was an extremely poor choice to modify into this class stun. They need to find a better fit for it on a lesser used skill and not mess up/delete currently working, popular and fun skills.

Qft

Juhasow · September 2018

The change to Arctic Blast is a change in good direction however as a stun this ability still needs some work to be done.

jaws343 · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

They really should put the stun on Swarm. Convert growing swarm into a stamina morph that stuns players when the swarm grows. And keep Fletcher Infection magicka based and have the second cast stun instead of deal extra damage.

Swarm is already a useless skill that loses out to other defensive skills due to limited bar space. At least putting the stun on it would make it useful.

And Arctic Blast is fantastic on live right now. Without it, I don't think my healthden survives in PVP the next patch. Since it provided the only reliable heal that scaled properly and could be cast at any time.

White wabbit · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Can't wait for this to go live on console

Emphatic_Static · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

I voted to keep it as is. I was maining magden in pvp for about a year, and watched as they got nerfed to oblivion as a solo class, reduced to a support healing role. I agree, they need their stun back, big time, but this proposed faux heal/stun combo is so dumb. It doesn't make any sense, doesn't synergize with anyone's setups, and will be VERY easily counterable.

We had a stun, which was good to have, but I actually agreed with it not being on deep fissure, I want my fissure down every 3 seconds, which made it hard to line up burst because your main dps stuns awkwardly after a 3 second delay. We gained an aoe breach in place of the stun, not a bad trade imo.

What will it take to for warden to become a viable solo build? A non projectile stun that goes through block and dodge. This proposed stun will just be reflected or absorbed or dodged, it is not what we were asking for and we should not accept it as our class cc.

Why should we accept that dk, nb, and sorc all have unblockable, undodgeable, and often damaging or debuffing elements to their cc's, while allowing them to give us a clearly underperforming excuse for a class cc?

My opinion? SWARM. Since warden launch they fiddled around with this ability because wrobel wanted some "every other cast" crap that made no sense to work, and it never made sense and still is a dumb idea today. Growing swarm makes sense. Fetcher infection does not. Get rid of it. Make it an instant, mid ranged, unblockable, unstunnable and RELIABLE cc. Maybe then we will feel comparable to what other classes bring to the table.

I used to main stam sorc in pvp - they won't stop nerfing that class to hell so I thought maybe I'd try warden, but mag to be non meta. Then they came for that class as well. Now I have to play mag dk just to compete and I have to say, the disparity between the classes in pvp has never been more evident to me than going from the red headed step children classes to mag dk. Holy crap and they keep buffing dk lol.

Will we ever find balance? Their efforts to achieve it is laughable at best. VOTE @Gilliamtherogue 2020! I fully believe he is the only reasons changes are even beginning to happen. Good job, Gill!

IxSTALKERxI · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilvOt7PzxCk

^Build using current version to proc winterborn etc, won't work after change. The concept of pbaoe dots are amazing (like solar barrage) and can be strong, especially frost, can be adjusted to suit more builds though.

I agree with adding the stun to a swarm morph instead, in such a way that it doesn't impact PVE dps or change the 'growing swarm concept' . @Joy_Division

Samsgaard · September 2018

If this goes live - and it probably will - it'll be a big blow to my Ice Tank. Especially when soloing, which is laborious enough for any tank already.

On the bright side, in dungeons, this change will make it easier to justify slotting Vigor. I'll have to rebalance my stam/magicka accordingly, but it appears that Vigor will be a good way to keep minor toughness up on the group. Still:

- That's not a very useful buff in dungeons. People usually only die to huge hits. Having an extra 10% health is not going to be a lifesaver very often.

- I don't like the idea of having to slot yet another PvP skill line ability in place of a class ability. So much for class diversity.

- I'll miss the visuals of Arctic Blast and will hate the anticipated lower number of Chilled procs. The more ice they take out of Ice Tanking, the more likely I'll shelve my Ice Tank. One less tank that queues almost daily for dungeons. Long queue times for others.

amir412 · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Mojomonkeyman · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

amir412 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Your vote/comment is not educated tho. You have played neither MagWarden nor Health Warden. Why would you vote on taking a key skill of setups that you have never played? Just because you don't like it? That's questionable at best, since you don't even seem to realize that the skill is just as important for MagWardens because our arsenal is so weak that even an HP scaling skill can be essential in the kit just for its funcionality.

Tryxus · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

They should change the other morph of artic blast to the stun cause no one uses that and leave this morph alone.

PvE tanks

Incorrect sir. I play mostly PvP, and the current artic blast was a very important part of my build. So I'd appreciate if you open up to larger possibilities than just a PvE tank.

Well I play both PvE and PvP, and I find Polar Wind to be a very important part of my tank setup since there's better ways of applying Chilled/Minor Maim and because it'll proc Minor Toughness (very important next update). If I had to choose between Arctic Blast or Polar Wind to be changed, I'd pick Arctic Blast any time.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Your vote/comment is not educated tho. You have played neither MagWarden nor Health Warden. Why would you vote on taking a key skill of setups that you have never played? Just because you don't like it? That's questionable at best, since you don't even seem to realize that the skill is just as important for MagWardens because our arsenal is so weak that even an HP scaling skill can be essential in the kit just for its funcionality.

He does have a point though: if you're building yourself to be a meatbag HP tank in PvP, then you shouldn't also be able to dish out plenty of damage as well. The main focus (at least for me when I'm playing such a build) should be personal survivability and battlefield control, which both versions of Arctic Blast do at the moment

As for MagDens: there are much better skills for self healing and applying Chilled. In this case, I would much rather have the CC here, which currently on the PTS is a nice "reversal" type of skill for me. I'll be missing the additional chance for a Winterborn/Skoria proc tho...

StamWhipCultist · September 2018

I like both versions and would like to see them both

amir412 · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Your vote/comment is not educated tho. You have played neither MagWarden nor Health Warden. Why would you vote on taking a key skill of setups that you have never played? Just because you don't like it? That's questionable at best, since you don't even seem to realize that the skill is just as important for MagWardens because our arsenal is so weak that even an HP scaling skill can be essential in the kit just for its funcionality.

Solid point, but i dont think thats the right way to fix the class, the skill itself can be abused.
The class should get a proper buff, not doubt on that.
There are options in the poll for yes or no, i voted whatever close to my opinion.

Mojomonkeyman · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Tryxus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

They should change the other morph of artic blast to the stun cause no one uses that and leave this morph alone.

PvE tanks

Incorrect sir. I play mostly PvP, and the current artic blast was a very important part of my build. So I'd appreciate if you open up to larger possibilities than just a PvE tank.

Well I play both PvE and PvP, and I find Polar Wind to be a very important part of my tank setup since there's better ways of applying Chilled/Minor Maim and because it'll proc Minor Toughness (very important next update). If I had to choose between Arctic Blast or Polar Wind to be changed, I'd pick Arctic Blast any time.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Your vote/comment is not educated tho. You have played neither MagWarden nor Health Warden. Why would you vote on taking a key skill of setups that you have never played? Just because you don't like it? That's questionable at best, since you don't even seem to realize that the skill is just as important for MagWardens because our arsenal is so weak that even an HP scaling skill can be essential in the kit just for its funcionality.

He does have a point though: if you're building yourself to be a meatbag HP tank in PvP, then you shouldn't also be able to dish out plenty of damage as well. The main focus (at least for me when I'm playing such a build) should be personal survivability and battlefield control, which both versions of Arctic Blast do at the moment

As for MagDens: there are much better skills for self healing and applying Chilled. In this case, I would much rather have the CC here, which currently on the PTS is a nice "reversal" type of skill for me. I'll be missing the additional chance for a Winterborn/Skoria proc tho...

Are you seriosly calling HealthDen damage "plenty"? I for one am happy that there are multiple alternatvie & viable playstyles. I have never seen anyone describe the results HealthDens can get in PvP currently as overperforming, because they are not. 90% of builds can slowly walk away from a HealthDen laughing (0 burst - we all know in this game 0 burst means 0 kills).

Funny thing is, I don't even play HealthDen - but the pictue you are painting is just not reflecting reality. Can they be annoying? Yes! Can they kill alone? No.

And for your last part of the comment, I guess we disagree here as well. Like 100% disagree. I have spent hundreds of hours on MagWarden testing PvP setups with about 2-3k BG matches played on both of my MagWardens combined. Result is: as soon as you go away from max stat builds (which in BGs is basically always except for people who don't understand how to build in no-cp), AB will be the best option you have as a Magden for supplementary heals comboed with Trellis.

What single skill is "much better" in providing both, heal and chilled, and providing additional funcionality (cloak counter + damage) on top? Enlighten me. I get the feeling you are 1) very limited in your experience with PvP Mag Warden outside of healer setups or 2) you have never understood how powerful AB actually is.

DKsUnite · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Im torn because i do want the stun but i also want the aoe minor maim. Why not make the aoe swarm have a fear component? 2 targets get feared once the swarm spreads?

Lord_Ninka · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

The new arctic blast i useless for my ice mage dd. There already are only very few frost damage abilities, and I will miss the arctic blast from live. I'm not against changing the skill, but I'm a bit unhappy with it being changed from a 10 second frost damage ability to a non-damaging stun.

Tryxus · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

They should change the other morph of artic blast to the stun cause no one uses that and leave this morph alone.

PvE tanks

Incorrect sir. I play mostly PvP, and the current artic blast was a very important part of my build. So I'd appreciate if you open up to larger possibilities than just a PvE tank.

Well I play both PvE and PvP, and I find Polar Wind to be a very important part of my tank setup since there's better ways of applying Chilled/Minor Maim and because it'll proc Minor Toughness (very important next update). If I had to choose between Arctic Blast or Polar Wind to be changed, I'd pick Arctic Blast any time.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Why should it be saved?
By any means, players should not deal dmg by skills that scale off max hp.
You choose to be 60k hp warrior? Your choice to become a punching bag.

Excuse me? Please read my lengthy post to understand the struggles of MagWarden and why this skill is important for the setup. Can't believe you're pushing your stamwarden twink agenda.

60k hp punching bag ... for real? I have 27k HP in PvP in 6 Light and this skill is essential.

I wasnt talking about magDen, which in need for a serious buff.
I was talking about theses annoying 60k HP warriors as i stated being tanky as hell and manage to deal dmg in the same breath, which isnt even logical.
I don't really care about my stamDen, i play it for the lols.

Your vote/comment is not educated tho. You have played neither MagWarden nor Health Warden. Why would you vote on taking a key skill of setups that you have never played? Just because you don't like it? That's questionable at best, since you don't even seem to realize that the skill is just as important for MagWardens because our arsenal is so weak that even an HP scaling skill can be essential in the kit just for its funcionality.

He does have a point though: if you're building yourself to be a meatbag HP tank in PvP, then you shouldn't also be able to dish out plenty of damage as well. The main focus (at least for me when I'm playing such a build) should be personal survivability and battlefield control, which both versions of Arctic Blast do at the moment

As for MagDens: there are much better skills for self healing and applying Chilled. In this case, I would much rather have the CC here, which currently on the PTS is a nice "reversal" type of skill for me. I'll be missing the additional chance for a Winterborn/Skoria proc tho...

Are you seriosly calling HealthDen damage "plenty"? I for one am happy that there are multiple alternatvie & viable playstyles. I have never seen anyone describe the results HealthDens can get in PvP currently as overperforming, because they are not. 90% of builds can slowly walk away from a HealthDen laughing (0 burst - we all know in this game 0 burst means 0 kills).

Funny thing is, I don't even play HealthDen - but the pictue you are painting is just not reflecting reality. Can they be annoying? Yes! Can they kill alone? No.

And for your last part of the comment, I guess we disagree here as well. Like 100% disagree. I have spent hundreds of hours on MagWarden testing PvP setups with about 2-3k BG matches played on both of my MagWardens combined. Result is: as soon as you go away from max stat builds (which in BGs is basically always except for people who don't understand how to build in no-cp), AB will be the best option you have as a Magden for supplementary heals comboed with Trellis.

What single skill is "much better" in providing both, heal and chilled, and providing additional funcionality (cloak counter + damage) on top? Enlighten me. I get the feeling you are 1) very limited in your experience with PvP Mag Warden outside of healer setups or 2) you have never understood how powerful AB actually is.

First off: exactly where did I state that HealthDens are "overperforming"? Correct answer = nowhere. What I did say (or meant to say with that) is that when building a character you need to make choices like Regen vs Power, Offense vs Defense, etc,... But certain Warden skills circumvent this by scaling off Health and increasing their offense with their defense, which is a design choice I do not agree with.

I do have a HealthDen setup (not ideal race, ik) and the current version of Arctic Blast does enable me to do some extra damage all the while applying Chilled. But I also like the new version of the skill, which acts as a powerful reversal and gives me a stun on demand. Which also fits into the mindset of a PvP tank: control the enemies

For the last part of your comment: yeah, let's agree to disagree. Like 100% "Get off my lawn" disagree. Btw, I'm not just a healer, I'm also a frequent duelist, experienced in BG (maybe not as much as you, but still enough) and I have several setups for open world too including a Frost build and a HealthDen (not ideal race, ik). Though I don't see what your experience and mine have anything to do with this discussion.

Pevey · September 2018

I don't like either version and will continue to ignore this skill.

knighting68 · September 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

So MagWarden players want a stun, right? Then why not fight to have the stun as part of a different ability that doesn't nerf Warden Tanks? Why are you all fighting so hard for the Arctic Blast damage to be nerfed? Seriously, not everyone wants to play the exact way YOU want to play so stop being so narrow-minded.

It's not even that much damage at over 60K+ health, but in PvE it means about a 30% reduction in overall damage output (with my setup). I also found it helpful as a cloak breaker in PvP.

And if you are one of the people in this thread who have implied that high health builds in PvP shouldn't also be able to have crazy high burst damage, I fully agree with you! Too bad the high health Wardens DO NOT HAVE high burst damage! So what exactly are you complaining about?

_Ahala_ · September 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

I can’t believe zos would push a change that pits the warden community against itself like this... All of this is just absurd... This Arctic Blast change as it stands on PTS currently is taking something powerful and unique from Healthdens and giving something rather useless to Magdens... Ideally, Polar wind should have health scaling aoe frost dot added to it so that Healthdens can again utilize the glacial presence passive effectively and Arctic Blast should have a cost reduction and and a Mag scaling single target frost dot added to it so that Magdens can finally have good stun that is worth using over reach... This way zos makes both groups happy and avoids further antangonizing the Healthden and Magden communities... I really hope they read this and take it into consideration, but at this point I think they are just gonna keep trudging along gutting classes and playsyles without any regard for community feedback

Spearpoint · October 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

W u break my funtank?

</3

RIP AoE :'( :'(

Spearpoint · October 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Synapsis123 wrote: »

The new artic blast change is nice, but only if they did it on the morph that heals an ally. No one takes that garbage.

This is true.

One of Arctic Wind's morphs should still include dealing Frost Damage to nearby enemies, and the other one could include CC.
Sad to see that the wrong morph was changed, but it's not too late to change it again

Arctic Blast was invaluable, and the key element to making a Warden Frost Tank fun to me

This used to hit harder than you would think, and was my main way to control and deal damage to crowds

Mojomonkeyman · October 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Thanks ZOS for crushing a struggling PvP class (magicka) even further.

With Arctic Blast you have robbed us off one enabling (key) skill, replaced it with a terrible (slow) stun and called it a day. My Arctic Blast was in general averaging for about 15-20% of my overall self-healing in BGs according to combat metrics before murkmire, now down to 4-6% because it needs a target.

Same goes for Bird of Prey, a key skill for 18 months - now just not worth its cost anymore.

And yet, somehow this patch was supposed to help us out and show some love? Thanks to making balance a popularity contest, ´sorcs managed to turn heavy nerfs into buffs (from what I've seen in Cyro and BGs today) due to having a big lobby - while wardens get a slap in the face during the patch that was supposed to give us finally some attention.

I can't describe how disappointed I am in the Developer team. No commitment, no passion - just lazy bandaids with as little effort as humanly possible.

Malem_Benign · October 2018

Ihonu wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I'm a fan of the new version sorry. I want to see the Warden get some more offensive capabilities.

How is less damage more offensive?

Looks like this "Community Ambassador" is just supporting dev's choice by trolling the patch follow up comments.

Enkil · October 2018

Arctic blast should stay as it is.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I can't describe how disappointed I am in the Developer team. No commitment, no passion - just lazy bandaids with as little effort as humanly possible.

^ditto

Plenty feedback was given and nothing changed... This game does not live up to its moniker.

regime211 · October 2018

I want the new Arctic Blast

Ihonu wrote: »

Arctic blast is changed from a dmg/heal skill, scaling from Health, to a stun/heal that needs a target and scales from magicka, making it useless for tanks.

I'm a fan of the new ability even though I'm a console player and have not used it or seen it in action unfortunately, however it should do DAMAGE and not heal, wardens have how many damn healing abilities? Plus an alt?