Vicarra wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Of course the complaints about shields came from PVP.

You wont ever hear Molag Kena or trial bosses coming to the forums to complain about how hard it is to kill players using damage shields.

But when you hear PVE players talk about how easy content is, that's the warning sign of incoming PVE nerfs. And there was plenty of "healers aren't necessary" talk to encourage ZOS to do something to make PVE content harder.

My point is that it's clearly a PVP-oriented nerf, which they think they've cleverly disguised as a PVE buff to healers so people don't shout at them.

Making Shields crittable probably would have been sufficient as a PVP nerf and wouldnt have impacted PVE at all.

Instead, ZOS went out of their way to nerf shields in PVE too.

When we first started adding shields to our builds in PVE it was not to replace healers. It was soon after the changes in 1.6 that did away with soft caps and allowed the amount of health we carried to be halved in favor of more dps. Since ZOS made DPS king pretty much everywhere this was done. Unfortunately, healers, who basically use HoT's in trials, were not fast enough to save people with so little health when they tanked so we started to carry shields to shield ourselves so that the healer would have some time to HoT us back. Since then, when it was found that 6 out of 8 classs / resource combinations pretty much couldn't do vMA when it came out for lack of heals, we have been given much better self heals. To add to that ZOS has spread out a lot of mechanics such that a healer really can't heal the team well with springs and combat prayer. DPS being king in virtually all ZOS's lazy fights it dosen't make sense to bring a healer that can't use his primary heals most of the time when you can have more DPS to kill adds that are way to tanky (they always are) or skip mechanics on poorly designed bosses (because you can skip most mechanics on most bosses with DPS). Shields has never really had much to do with not having healers. That is about fight design and low overall health.

I might add that we are not going to start having healers now because the fight designs haven't changed, we still have, and need low health, and everything is still dps dependent. People will get survivability by going to cheat engine (most endgame raiders already use and in PVP it is even more common) and by switching to stam for the greater armor ratings and better blocking ability. There still will be no healers. There is just going to be some stam sorcs and maybe a stam warden or two pretending to be a heals while being mostly a dps.

i Hate sorcerers, but i love killing them.

However, lol,
i do not agree with the 1 second delay on shield casting.
infact, if that 1 second delay on shield casting goes live then it will be a trickle down effecT.
eventually leading to alot of very serious problems with elderscrolls online and may even be fatal for sorcerers and and up being fatal for all classes.

The healers I run with regularly are wondering how THEY are going to stay alive without their shield.

I posted my 2 cents about this on the sorc rep. This is a terrible excuse that holds together about as well as dollarstore scotch tape. Having a healer in group means I DONT have to equip a shield. With few exceptions / situations in group content.

In minority of situations I may equip a shield. If the healer is incompetent I may equip a shield. Sometimes I equip a heal staff. Should we remove heal staff general so templars feel wanted too? Ridiculous.

Healers are not useless and they are appreciated by most.

Danksta wrote: »

Riptide wrote: »

I think its at least a move in the right direction. Be real here, as it currently stands why bring a stam dps to a trial vs a mag toon? It isn’t just healers, its that shields allow lots of mechanics to be shrugged off.

Here is an idea...dps and heals who no longer run with zero health added. Thats what most folks do now, right? 18.5 and good.

Might have to stack up some so folks can survive more burst in a pinch. Might have to rock Krags so you, in fact, heal death. Might have to watch closer for boss tells so you shield at the right moment rather than simply mindlessly spamming it in your rotation.

Shields have become such a crutch that its skewed all kinds of stuff. Its healthy to address it.

Personally I like the solution of making it cost more magicka per cast, same as streak. I think thats a more holistic solution that doesn’t cause as much angst. And I wish I had a seat at the planning table. But I’m glad its being addressed.

Ummm, people are stacking as much stam as they can fit in trials because they do more damage, and if survivability in trials on stam is an issue for you it's all about L2P.

Just curious, how many vCR and vAS have you run on a stam dps, specifically stam NB?

Riptide wrote: »

Here is an idea...dps and heals who no longer run with zero health added. Thats what most folks do now, right? 18.5 and good.

18.5? Ha ha maybe if you’re a petsorc and get health bonus from the pet (And thats still like 17.5 with maxed out food)

Try 16.5 with food, in most cases. Ya buddy, automatic one-shot. Only protection is shield, which only lasts a couple of hits. So you can increase shield duration to 10 minutes, freak it, an hour ...... makes no difference. Usually has to be recast in 6-7 seconds at least or .......... (back to previous paragraph) yep you guessed it .... one shot