Did ZOS Just Kill Solo Play With This One Set?

Dreyloch · September 2018

I'm not trying to stick up for this set, but isn't most of that mitigated in Cyrodiil in some way?(I'm not a mechanics Guru) I know this same debuff is on the one version of Time-stop if your not able to roll out of it. But unless it's broken, the time-stop version hasen't been much of a factor IMO? Now if this stacks from multiple people, then yeah. Sload's 2.0 for sure =/

Gilvoth · September 2018

i have heard it can be purged, so, it cant be as bad as what people saying.

IZZEFlameLash · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have heard it can be purged, so, it cant be as bad as what people saying.

Are you for real? Enjoy your 0.01 second freedom from this set.

Gilvoth · September 2018

if it can be purged then where is the problem?
purging it means it is removed.
this same thing happens with sloads, purge removes it.
now, if you refuse to use purge then maybe the problem is not on other peoples end but rather, on your end.

Gilvoth · September 2018

and by the way, we have not seen this on live and i dont see any reports from people seeing it in PTS.
why not wait till it has some actualy reports of how it acts in pvp?

LeifErickson · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if it can be purged then where is the problem?
purging it means it is removed.
this same thing happens with sloads, purge removes it.
now, if you refuse to use purge then maybe the problem is not on other peoples end but rather, on your end.

Go out as a solo player with purge on your bar and tell me how long you last. I have to cleanse 3 times sometimes on my magplar when I'm DUELING. You don't know what you are talking about. You don't belong here. If you are a troll you are a good one. If not please leave.

The fact you think Sloads isn't bad because it's purgeable speaks for itself.

Gilvoth · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if it can be purged then where is the problem?
purging it means it is removed.
this same thing happens with sloads, purge removes it.
now, if you refuse to use purge then maybe the problem is not on other peoples end but rather, on your end.

Go out as a solo player with purge on your bar and tell me how long you last. I have to cleanse 3 times sometimes on my magplar when I'm DUELING. You don't know what you are talking about. You don't belong here. If you are a troll you are a good one. If not please leave.

The fact you think Sloads isn't bad because it's purgeable speaks for itself.

i have been playing solo in the main cryodiil campaigns now for around 5 years every single day, i have purge on my front bar and i have used it daily in (most) fights since beta.

LeifErickson · September 2018

Someone help me out here with this guy. I'm gonna lose my mind.

There is no situation when a player is truly solo that they would be able to sit there and drain their magicka pool spamming purge at least 5 times if there is even one person attacking them to remove the debuff. They would be better off just healing thru it.

Gilvoth · September 2018

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.
i dont spam purge, i cast it maybe 2 or 3 times during (some) fights. most fights i dont need it.

LeifErickson · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.

Yes because you are a nightblade that sits in stealth and wants increased sneak speed. You have the luxury of being able to choose to fight only those you think you can beat. Some of us aren't so lucky.

And the fact that you have that last line about sorcs shows you don't care about balance. Of course a NB like you would hate sorcs.

You aren't worth my time anymore.

mikegundy · September 2018

After reading these patch notes I'm 100% convinced ZOS does not want people playing solo in cyrodiil. Patch after patch solo play gets harder and harder by having to deal with no-skill proc sets that are clearly for casual players who don't want to learn how to pvp.

StaticWave · September 2018

Pls support this change https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436213/overload-needs-a-physical-damage-morph-for-stamsorcs#latest

Gilvoth · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.

You have the luxury of being able to choose to fight only those you think you can beat. Some of us aren't so lucky.

that part is simply false because every single class even nightblades are able to pull us out of stealth, sorcerers especially tho with your 10 mile wide hurricane removes ANY and ALL ability for us to stealth and stay in stealth.
we are pulled out of stealth all the time.
we try our best to stay stealthed and we do our best to stay that way but it usually Fails terribly.
if i think i can beat an apponent i take a chance.
and u missed where i said "i dont spam purge, i cast it maybe 2 or 3 times during (some) fights. most fights i dont need it."

templesus · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.

Yes because you are a nightblade that sits in stealth and wants increased sneak speed. You have the luxury of being able to choose to fight only those you think you can beat. Some of us aren't so lucky.

And the fact that you have that last line about sorcs shows you don't care about balance. Of course a NB like you would hate sorcs.

You aren't worth my time anymore.

Lol you must have been living under a rock if you keep wasting brain cells going back and forth with him. He literally has a reputation on these forums to the point where people have referred to others as “the dwemer_paleologist of mag sorcs” etc.

No sane 1vXer ever gets into debates with him, it’s to the point where I just ignore him altogether.

LeifErickson · September 2018

templesus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.

Yes because you are a nightblade that sits in stealth and wants increased sneak speed. You have the luxury of being able to choose to fight only those you think you can beat. Some of us aren't so lucky.

And the fact that you have that last line about sorcs shows you don't care about balance. Of course a NB like you would hate sorcs.

You aren't worth my time anymore.

Lol you must have been living under a rock if you keep wasting brain cells going back and forth with him. He literally has a reputation on these forums to the point where people have referred to others as “the dwemer_paleologist of mag sorcs” etc.

No sane 1vXer ever gets into debates with him, it’s to the point where I just ignore him altogether.

You could have told me that an hour ago lol. Would have saved me some time and sanity.

templesus · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

maybe the difference between you and i, is that i dont try to solo groups of 15+ people.
i simply take on who i think i can beat, im not trying to kill groups of people the same way sorcerers are able to.

Yes because you are a nightblade that sits in stealth and wants increased sneak speed. You have the luxury of being able to choose to fight only those you think you can beat. Some of us aren't so lucky.

And the fact that you have that last line about sorcs shows you don't care about balance. Of course a NB like you would hate sorcs.

You aren't worth my time anymore.

Lol you must have been living under a rock if you keep wasting brain cells going back and forth with him. He literally has a reputation on these forums to the point where people have referred to others as “the dwemer_paleologist of mag sorcs” etc.

No sane 1vXer ever gets into debates with him, it’s to the point where I just ignore him altogether.

You could have told me that an hour ago lol. Would have saved me some time and sanity.

Sorry lol. My professor gets pissed when we have phones out in a 300 student lecture. Just for lulz here is one of his comments I’ll never forget:

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

a small group of people here on this forum are under the illusion that everyone else is Trash and Bad and weak and Stupid.
but the reality is we are all just normal people playing a game and deserve the right to join in on the fun and fight in cryodiil without seeing 1 guy take on 30 people and kill all of them.
those builds are overpowered and should not be able to do mass damage and at the same time survive being attacked by a group of people.
THAT is what is destroying eso and making people Quit and leave for a game that is fun for ALL not just a few!

I die of laughter every time I read it.

Jaxaxo · September 2018

I have deja vu when reading almost same things about purge he was posting back then when sload was even more cancerous

Xsorus · September 2018

They basically added a 5500 point dot, that doesn't do actual damage...

*grin*.

Jaxaxo · September 2018

5500 dot which ignores resistances and dmg reduction. It's kinda funny, after "nerfing" defiles they added even more powerfull, easily procced, mechanic which stacks with defile. And the only class which can really compete with this set is nb (due to cloak), which is highly overperforming atm. So ye, great design. Almost as good as shieldbreaker. But we can always slot shields to coutner it... Oh, wait...

Btw, metabuild next patch: heavy stamblade with troll king, master duals, sload and this set. This gonna be gud

Glory · September 2018

This set needs to not stack (and probably have a much longer CD).

Beyond stacking, there are too many purgeable effects to reliably purge something like this set that has such a short CD.

This will bean unfair meta if it doesn't change.

LeifErickson · September 2018

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

Syhae · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

Agreed. I'm really hoping there are a lot of changes next PTS update... Because I cannot fathom some of these changes and this set particular even making it into a PTS cycle.

NBrookus · September 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

I'm not trying to stick up for this set, but isn't most of that mitigated in Cyrodiil in some way?(I'm not a mechanics Guru) I know this same debuff is on the one version of Time-stop if your not able to roll out of it. But unless it's broken, the time-stop version hasen't been much of a factor IMO? Now if this stacks from multiple people, then yeah. Sload's 2.0 for sure =/

None of it is mitigated in Cyrodiil, but the target's heals still are are. So you have to do the PVE equivalent of 11k healing just to start healing with you are still taking damage from abilities. A health regen build won't work to counter it because even at 3k health regen it won't save you because the set doesn't exist in a vacuum -- you are also taking normal levels of fight damage simultaneously, and the 4 piece isn't even bad. By comparison, the Beekeeper 5 piece health regen set gives 658 health regen with no damage. Robes of the Hist gives 1250 healing if snared or cc'd, which you may not be.

It's not a named debuff, and yes it does stack with other copies of the set plus Time Stop and Major/Minor defile from sets,abilities and poisons. Time Stop is HUGE in pvp, particularly used by larger groups to lock down and overwhelm smaller groups and drain their resources. But you can technically avoid it.

This set can be purged, but this will be pretty inadequate as a counter. Purging takes a GCD and nearly 4k magicka on a templar, while the set requires neither. And one purge often doesn't get the effect you want because purge is first in last out. 0% siphoner will eat up one of your 5 purged effects, for example. You will also purge the hypothetical snare healing you if you are running Hist.

So assuming you start with 14 seconds of major sorcery and 20 second rune up (by no means a given), a simplified timeline of a 1v1 versus this set:
second 1: effect applied, purge 4k magicka
second 2: HTD 4k magicka
second 3: HTD again to catch up to burst damage, otherwise purifying light
second 4: vamp bane
second 5: effect reapplied, purge 4k magicka
second 6: HTD 4k magicka
second 7: 1.1 second jabs channel, or maybe barrage or one crushing shock weave
second 8: immov mag pot to survive next burst combo
second 9: effect reapplied...

Even with the best self purge in the game, it's a losing game because you can't afford to spend 50% or more of your time healing with no window of opportunity to recover and go on the offensive.

Vapirko · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

for a long time, (years even) we see people insta healing from 3% health and almost dead to INSTANT health 100% full.
something needed to be done, it looks like a very good step in the right direction.

Lol what a surprise you support this set.

Elong · September 2018

LeifErickson wrote: »

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

It needs to be made into a debuff so that it doesn't stack.

Even if that's all they did and it stayed in game, I could live with that.

Jaxaxo · September 2018

Elong wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

It needs to be made into a debuff so that it doesn't stack.

Even if that's all they did and it stayed in game, I could live with that.

Imo it should be nerfed too, maybe proc requirements, maybe sth else? I really dont want to have another 3 months of semidefile sload set...

Elong · September 2018

Jaxaxo wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

It needs to be made into a debuff so that it doesn't stack.

Even if that's all they did and it stayed in game, I could live with that.

Imo it should be nerfed too, maybe proc requirements, maybe sth else? I really dont want to have another 3 months of semidefile sload set...

I mean, it would be better if this set never existed in the first place! Any nerf would be fantastic. What a horrible idea this set is.

HankTwo · September 2018

Jaxaxo wrote: »

5500 dot which ignores resistances and dmg reduction. It's kinda funny, after "nerfing" defiles they added even more powerfull, easily procced, mechanic which stacks with defile. And the only class which can really compete with this set is nb (due to cloak), which is highly overperforming atm. So ye, great design. Almost as good as shieldbreaker. But we can always slot shields to coutner it... Oh, wait...

Btw, metabuild next patch: heavy stamblade with troll king, master duals, sload and this set. This gonna be gud

Heavy bleedblades are already kinda meta, I would say. Honestly, when I first read that set description, I imagined your bleedblade with the set, and it made me shudder xP This set = dead me.

Elong wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

So from what I have heard, it for sure stacks based on PTS testing. I don't even know what to say. This is honestly worse than sorc shields. This needs to go.

It needs to be made into a debuff so that it doesn't stack.

Even if that's all they did and it stayed in game, I could live with that.

I don't really get people who think making a set don't stack will make it right. It would still be op in any 1v1 scenario. I don't have the time right now, but I will post some math later.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · September 2018

I just have one question: Who the *** thinks of a set like this and be like yea this is gonna be great for our game?

Jaxaxo · September 2018

HankTwo wrote: »

Jaxaxo wrote: »

5500 dot which ignores resistances and dmg reduction. It's kinda funny, after "nerfing" defiles they added even more powerfull, easily procced, mechanic which stacks with defile. And the only class which can really compete with this set is nb (due to cloak), which is highly overperforming atm. So ye, great design. Almost as good as shieldbreaker. But we can always slot shields to coutner it... Oh, wait...

Btw, metabuild next patch: heavy stamblade with troll king, master duals, sload and this set. This gonna be gud

Heavy bleedblades are already kinda meta, I would say. Honestly, when I first read that set description, I imagined your bleedblade with the set, and it made me shudder xP This set = dead me.

I miss times when it was like 3 nbs like that on Sotha, Mistrija, me and Alyzza, feel a bit bad for current meta on sotha.
I doubt i will run this, same with sload, tried it in first 2 weeks on summerset, set was disgusting, switched back to old thing. But ye, anything that doesnt have shields (oh, w8...) is kinda dead vs this set. Imagine few spambushers on your back with that and sload... mmm... awesome.