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Nightblades are breaking PvP
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MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf slaughter fish, they are OP. I can't swim around the Imperial City without dieing. This is ruining pvp.
Please zos, save us from slaughter fish and people who call for nerfs0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Oh look, another "nerf this" thread with zero substance and obviously exaggerated claims such as "two thirds of the population play NB" (please link me that research on class division of the player base) and that "NBs never die because they can turn invisible", which is easily disproven by opening up twitch.tv or watching youtube videos on how easily enemy NBs get dealt with by players that aren't complete garbage like the one who made this thread.
Let me know when there's something worth reading, like actual numbers or other irrefutable facts that would prove NBs outperform other classes and then explain why it's cloak's fault.
I've seen NBs (and other classes) wreck people without cloak just as well (if not better), especially in tanky setups that want to take hits to proc sets (e.g. Fury/7th Legion etc).Edited by DDuke on September 15, 2018 11:19PM5 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Betty_Booms wrote: »Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.
Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...
Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs
Duh it does to stamblades they don't have large magic pools and cloak is expensive.
Proof that you guys talk out the wrong orfice.
Really.. lets compare stamblade to stamsorc
Cloak = 3780 magicka cost VS Streak = 3780 magicka cost (-5% cost passively)
8% max magicka passively with siphoning ability slotted VS 0%, because no one is going to slot bound aegis
0% increase cost per use VS +50% cost per use
15% mag regen passively (no condition required) VS 10% mag regen passively (no condition required)
The mechanics of the 2 skills and the usability of such as an offensive/defensive skill can be argued, but what you said is a complete lie.
Both streak and cloak should have the same cost mechanics with only 15-25% per use. Nightblades don't have less magicka pools than other classes, that makes 0 sense, if anything you have the potential to have more, you just invest 100% in to DMG and 0% in to magicka and regen while other classes choose to do so, it's less of a determent to nightblades because you're sustain without investment is still good. This is why it's an issue, it's why in update 20 they are addressing sustain among classes.
(Cost's found online, not sure if still accurate)
Stamblades most certainly do have a lower magic pool than magsorc or magblade making claims of infinite cloaking bull hockey.
Cloak only makes you invisible it doesn't teleport you across the map so when escaping you are using both magicka and stamina as a stamblade. Not to mention cloak doesn't have a stun like streak so apples and oranges.Edited by TequilaFire on September 15, 2018 11:27PM2 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭People's inability to learn to play is breaking pvp"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As a nightblade i don't feel op. I just jump in don't do any damage get stunned and die.3 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Betty_Booms wrote: »Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.
Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...
Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs
Duh it does to stamblades they don't have large magic pools and cloak is expensive.
Proof that you guys talk out the wrong orfice.
Really.. lets compare stamblade to stamsorc
Cloak = 3780 magicka cost VS Streak = 3780 magicka cost (-5% cost passively)
8% max magicka passively with siphoning ability slotted VS 0%, because no one is going to slot bound aegis
0% increase cost per use VS +50% cost per use
15% mag regen passively (no condition required) VS 10% mag regen passively (no condition required)
The mechanics of the 2 skills and the usability of such as an offensive/defensive skill can be argued, but what you said is a complete lie.
Both streak and cloak should have the same cost mechanics with only 15-25% per use. Nightblades don't have less magicka pools than other classes, that makes 0 sense, if anything you have the potential to have more, you just invest 100% in to DMG and 0% in to magicka and regen while other classes choose to do so, it's less of a determent to nightblades because you're sustain without investment is still good. This is why it's an issue, it's why in update 20 they are addressing sustain among classes.
(Cost's found online, not sure if still accurate)
Stamblades most certainly do have a lower magic pool than magsorc or magblade making claims of infinite cloaking bull hockey.
Cloak only makes you invisible it doesn't teleport you across the map so when escaping you are using both magicka and stamina as a stamblade. Not to mention cloak doesn't have a stun like streak so apples and oranges.
Nope, that's what shade is for. Cloak, shade and dodgeroll. Not to mention shade doesn't care about los.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
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Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭
8k wpdmg? Show me the stats... or stop trollingPriyasekarssk wrote: »Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.
This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.
Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.
When a nightblade is able to kill you then the same player with a different class will kill you again.
It seems that in every patch nightblades get more and more castrated if you are not able to uncloak them then i guess pvp isnt the best choice for you...maybe fungal grotto 1 would fit you better but be carefull maybe you get a nightblade tank^^
I will tell you a secret cuz im in a good mood today
If you are fighting a nighblade and the nightblade starting to cloak....uncloak him
It is a very big secret and not many ppl now it...but every build can do it....and normally everyone already does it...
Is it ? I can play a NB with 8K weapon damage one shot builds even a noobest of the noob can do it. No other class can afford such one shot build. Let me tell you one thing. Play as a nightblade in ESO or uninstall the game.3 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »It's just funny to see that irl nightblade mains are as good at deflection and misdirection as they are in the actual game.
Easy cowboy
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Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »Cloak breaks whenever it can, even a sneeze will uncloak the NB.
This and sneak being totally out of balance this patch.
How can it be that mage light uncovers the user way better than the enemies?
Since it is no longer the only source for yellow jewels, I wonder whether I will enter Cyro again.
I can use a destro ulti (eye of storm) and they break getting near me, and they can't restealth while taking aoe damage.Ärmätèsz
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Imagine still crying about cloak in 2018.
Use one of the numerous counters in the game and cloak is useless.
Detect pot.
Mark if your a nb
Literally any aoe.
Trying using steel tornado and nb's will never run from you again.
It's the only class defensive skill that straight up loses its effect when countered.
It's been 4 years and bad player still cannot deal with cloak, really.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...7 -
LiquidfistSoul ShrivenSince people using detect pots now have a big sign over them and the same cool down, I’m all for increasing the range of detection skills and potions.1
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Imagine still crying about cloak in 2018.
Use one of the numerous counters in the game and cloak is useless.
Detect pot.
Mark if your a nb
Literally any aoe.
Trying using steel tornado and nb's will never run from you again.
It's the only class defensive skill that straight up loses its effect when countered.
It's been 4 years and bad player still cannot deal with cloak, really.
Cloak is fine. The only thing that needs to be changed is the forced *miss* on ranged attacks when you reveal one with a detect pot or detect poison.
Spamming cloak when revealed means you escape most of that, even though you have a detect pot right on top of you - it's bugged.
Nightblades are not overpowered, and they are certainly not breaking PVP. The whiners are.Edited by Minalan on September 16, 2018 3:40AM2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Imagine still crying about cloak in 2018.
Use one of the numerous counters in the game and cloak is useless.
Detect pot.
Mark if your a nb
Literally any aoe.
Trying using steel tornado and nb's will never run from you again.
It's the only class defensive skill that straight up loses its effect when countered.
It's been 4 years and bad player still cannot deal with cloak, really.
Cloak is fine. The only thing that needs to be changed is the forced *miss* on ranged attacks when you reveal one with a detect pot or detect poison.
Spamming cloak when revealed means you escape most of that, even though you have a detect pot right on top of you - it's bugged.
Well slot an aoe.
Try snaring the nb.
Or fix the bug i guess. But i doubt zos will fix anything.
I've been s2w nb's to death lately, literally from 100-0 hp.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.
This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.
Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.
You are running with an inferior group and/or need to be in one. Also...it's PvP. Expect to be killed by those with different abilities.
Also, checkout crafting reveal pots, immov pots, etc.1 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭One of the things i've noticed about the ESO PvP community is that people don't care how broken the game is, as long as their class is OP. In other games when things are OP people expect them to be nerfed, and when the nerf eventually comes they just deal with it.
It's obvious to anyone who plays the game that cloak is too strong, the pre applied execute is too strong, and shield stacking is too strong. According to people who abuse these broken mechanics, everybody else is just bad and needs to l2p...ESO PvP has potential, but it won't get anywhere if people refuse to acknowledge what is wrong with it."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4335 -
Pops_ND_Irish✭✭✭✭✭Lets see... Nightblades need to go away, oh ya in another post sorcs need to go away because both are breaking PVP !?
Thats funny !!!!0 -
ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭SpiderCultist wrote: »Ok
And heavy armor users should NOT be able to sneak
Not really the same thing0 -
ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.
This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.
Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.
Ye, NBs are getting boring. Way too many of them. A few are good, but most just cloak and run. And stam nb shouldn't be able to cloak every few seconds. Streak was nerfed with increase cost with each successive use; so should cloak. Fights with stamblades are just an endless circle of waiting til the come out of cloak, fight for a few seconds, then wait again til next time they come out of cloak. Just a bunch of sissies.Edited by ol_BANK_lo on September 16, 2018 4:45AM4 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Looks like the pvpers in here are hard at work at the salt mines ruining the Nightblade pve experience.
Ask for buffs to streak if that’s what it needs. Ask for buffs to frags if it was never broke in the first place. Ask for a buff for shields, y’all act like there are no integers between 6 and 20.
This is why I always play the underdog class. For over a year it was Nightblades and I played a nb tank and now it’s warden so now I main a warden Tank. If I never get my hopes up I can’t be disappointed.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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AllPlayAndNoWork✭✭✭✭✭LOL... Another thread where someone doesn't want to slot the many many (too damn many BTW) counters to cloak.... Just bore off.2 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope, players who refuse to adapt their builds but still expect to win every fight is what is breaking pvp.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Mikuelray✭✭Whatever happen to using Aoe's and pots or inner light. Cloak has quite a bit of counters to it. I personally love the shade a little more but I'm more of a bruiser blade not a gank blade. It's annoying as heck but just spin to win or use aoe's and stay in it. Blades are easy to kill if you can prevent them from stealthing. Detect pots or inner light is enough to counter most blades.1
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WacArnold✭✭✭Personally i play a nightblade because of groups, you start a 1v1 and soon 5 more come then before you know it your getting gang banged. Lucky i can be a nightblade and escape before i get jumped by 6 chumps, and more than likely avoid group tea bag.
Plus they would have to re-name the class to dayblade and that sounds terrible.Edited by WacArnold on September 16, 2018 7:17AMXbox One - North American - Ebonheart PactAnti-Pop Lv 50 Magicka Nightblade Dark ElfWacArnold Lv 50 Magicka Templar Argonian3 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.
This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.
Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.
Let me ask you then.... what are your resistances? fully buffed? Then we can compare them my nightblade?
All classes sacrifice dps to go for crit resistance because of NB's, that means they go heavy armor not to get killed in 2 sec.
guess what: NB's dont have to, they can go full damage because of cloak.
How is this fair: all pvp population has to go crit resistant and high resistances just for escaping NB's.
SOOOO what was the question again????
It helps against NB's but by no means is it the only reason, of you can no critics resistance and got hit by a dizzying swing crit or something you'd be equally ***
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.1 -
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✭✭✭The one thing I find that ruins PvP for me are health desyncs. NBs seem to always be a major factor for the times of note.
Typically it's Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim but sometimes it's Incap as well.
It's just about the only thing that makes me question the legitimacy of players. It's likely working as "intended" though.1
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