Nightblades are breaking PvP

Thrain · September 2018

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

When a nightblade is able to kill you then the same player with a different class will kill you again.
It seems that in every patch nightblades get more and more castrated if you are not able to uncloak them then i guess pvp isnt the best choice for you...maybe fungal grotto 1 would fit you better but be carefull maybe you get a nightblade tank^^

I will tell you a secret cuz im in a good mood today
If you are fighting a nighblade and the nightblade starting to cloak....uncloak him
It is a very big secret and not many ppl now it...but every build can do it....and normally everyone already does it...

DUTCH_REAPER · September 2018

Thrain wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

When a nightblade is able to kill you then the same player with a different class will you again.
It seems that in every patch nightblades get more and more castrated if you are not able to uncloak them then i guess pvp isnt the best choice for you...maybe fungal grotto 1 would fit you better but be carefull maybe you get a nightblade tank^^

I will tell you a secret cuz im in a good mood today
If you are fighting a nighblade and the nightblade starting to cloak....uncloak him
It is a very big secret and not many ppl now it...but every build can do it....and normally everyone already does it...

Shh bro. Don’t give away my secrets. Lol

Betty_Booms · September 2018

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Dude , play as a nightblade or uninstall the game. ZOs wont give *** about your whines. Many NBs are ***, only riding on their class cheese and have no skill. Other competitive games will *** them in 5 seconds in PVP. What they will do ?
They need a class with invisible cheat to play with 8K weapon damage with one shot skill.
Again play as a NB or uninstall the game.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

@Daus @thankyourat

In my opinion streak and cloak should both have conditions on them. If used in an offensive way it has no cost penalty. If it's being used to escape a fight it needs to have cost increase.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

Thrain wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

When a nightblade is able to kill you then the same player with a different class will kill you again.
It seems that in every patch nightblades get more and more castrated if you are not able to uncloak them then i guess pvp isnt the best choice for you...maybe fungal grotto 1 would fit you better but be carefull maybe you get a nightblade tank^^

I will tell you a secret cuz im in a good mood today
If you are fighting a nighblade and the nightblade starting to cloak....uncloak him
It is a very big secret and not many ppl now it...but every build can do it....and normally everyone already does it...

Is it ? I can play a NB with 8K weapon damage one shot builds even a noobest of the noob can do it. No other class can afford such one shot build. Let me tell you one thing. Play as a nightblade in ESO or uninstall the game.

Slack · September 2018

Tryxus wrote: »

Slack wrote: »

Wardens should be able to execute

Bear

Yea...

MashmalloMan · September 2018

Yeah as a stam sorc, I don't have any issues with nightblades. Hurricane easily pulls them out of stealth and its laughable when they think they can escape it's aoe as I follow them and gap close with stampede, they really can't do anything about it. Tried slotting expert hunter not only because I don't have access to major savagery when I'm using essence of speed potions, but because I thought it would be a useful tool to catch stealthed enemies before they have a chance to pounce me.

Expert hunter has proven to be pretty useless for stealth detection, apparently only has a 6m radius which is smaller then the 2nd and 3rd stage of hurricane.

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

This won't be enough.
Cloak should receive the Streak and dodge roll treatment, casting again within 4 seconds should increase it's cost significantly.

Sure! with a 9k magicka pool on a stam character (on BGs for example) and having a cost of 4k = you'll make it useless.

This statement is laughable, stam sorc's don't have a built in cc immunity skill and our escape/defense ability is streak, which has +50% cost per use with a 3.6k mag cost and is awful because it get's you stuck or loses momentum when you use it, snares will render you useless too. Guess what. With 0 investment in to magicka, I have worse luck than nightblades do trying to use streak to escape so it requires investment to use it more effectively if at all with our small magicka pool that gets used for dark deal because our sustain is crap.

I think it should have a dodge roll/streak treatment, but only at 20-25%, 50% has completely killed streak for me and I'd love to see it reduced. I just don't understand that argument ^. Other stam classes invest in to magicka to get more utility out of their magicka skills, why shouldn't you? That doesn't make you a wet noodle. To top it off you can get 8% max magicka by slotting a siphoning ability passively which makes it easier.

Stamblades are just as, if not more tanky than stamsorc's with 3% hp for a shadow ability slotted(cloak), major ward/resolve for using a shadow ability(cloak/surprise atk/fear/shade) which they use regularly anyway, shade for a teleport/escape, access to maim, defile, fracture, major expedition and major evasion built in to the kit.

It's sad to hear blades complain about survivability without cloak when that basically puts you in line with a stam sorc. I really see little benefit to streak right now with the swift meta.

Stam sorc's have minor expedition though, guess we're good to go. (I'm actually happy with stam sorc, just some minor changes are needed for sustain and mobility)

To be fair, just pointing out the flaws in logic based on my own experiences and some of the blades complaints, I really don't have problems with nightblades stealth. Imo and many others, the speed class(stam sorc) needs a buff to streak to put it in line with what other classes have access to.

Reduce streak cost 50% to at least 25%. Add snare invulnerabilty/removal to it or another class skill like hurricane (pro vs con = you lose dmg when you recast) and we are more in line, cloak should receive similar treatment and we should stop claiming nightblades are useless when stealth doesn't work. Maybe don't spec your entire build in to dmg just to catch people off guard and you wouldn't be a glass cannon.

FlyingSwan · September 2018

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Wow. I leave the game for 18 months, come back and noobs are still posting the same QQ about NBs, simply because they have the same old L2P countering issues. There are myriad ways to uncloak an NB, learn them.

Lylith · September 2018

Gythral wrote: »

Nothing to do with Nightblades but everything to do with "He Who Must Not Be Named" & his blinkered view that if it aint a NB nerf it into oblivion!

'hastur the unspeakable?'

yeah, that works.

Kadoin · September 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

TequilaFire · September 2018

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

Duh it does to stamblades they don't have large magic pools and cloak is expensive.
Proof that you guys talk out the wrong orfice.

WhipSmartMcoy · September 2018

I've wrecked nightblades of all specs and levels for the last 3 years.
Nb are not breaking pvp, you just aren't good yet.

Thrain · September 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

When a nightblade is able to kill you then the same player with a different class will kill you again.
It seems that in every patch nightblades get more and more castrated if you are not able to uncloak them then i guess pvp isnt the best choice for you...maybe fungal grotto 1 would fit you better but be carefull maybe you get a nightblade tank^^

I will tell you a secret cuz im in a good mood today
If you are fighting a nighblade and the nightblade starting to cloak....uncloak him
It is a very big secret and not many ppl now it...but every build can do it....and normally everyone already does it...

Is it ? I can play a NB with 8K weapon damage one shot builds even a noobest of the noob can do it. No other class can afford such one shot build. Let me tell you one thing. Play as a nightblade in ESO or uninstall the game.

Oneshot?
fight against a good dk and you will see how good it is.

And as i said if you can kill someone like really really fast in an fair fight you would kill him with a different class as well

Datthaw · September 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

It doesnt drop all damage when you cloak. That's not true at all. It will allow you to dodge direct damage skills. In a 1vx situation I'll laugh if you try to use cloak to mitigate damage like that if you're revealed, keep spamming that 4k cloak.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Wow. I leave the game for 18 months, come back and noobs are still posting the same QQ about NBs, simply because they have the same old L2P countering issues. There are myriad ways to uncloak an NB, learn them.

If you comeback after 18 months everyone will be NB that time.

Datthaw · September 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Wow. I leave the game for 18 months, come back and noobs are still posting the same QQ about NBs, simply because they have the same old L2P countering issues. There are myriad ways to uncloak an NB, learn them.

If you comeback after 18 months everyone will be NB that time.

Idk what servers yall play on but pc na stam toons rule cyro and not just nbs

D0PAMINE · September 2018

I murder Nightblades. Cloak is easy to break.

Lylith · September 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Nightblades need to have their ability to cloak nerfed big time. Nobody should be able to fight hand to hand and be invisible at the same time.

This is why 2/3 of everyone in PvP is running nightblades now, so they can fight while invisible, and never die because they can just turn invisible when they start to lose a fight. If a player engages in a fight, they should not also be able to be invisible at the same time, or within a split second after engaging.

Nightblades are breaking PvP even more than the lag and server issues.

Wow. I leave the game for 18 months, come back and noobs are still posting the same QQ about NBs, simply because they have the same old L2P countering issues. There are myriad ways to uncloak an NB, learn them.

If you comeback after 18 months everyone will be NB that time.

Idk what servers yall play on but pc na stam toons rule cyro and not just nbs

nah, they're too busy whining about mag sorcs and shields to rule much of anything, it seems.

MashmalloMan · September 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

Duh it does to stamblades they don't have large magic pools and cloak is expensive.
Proof that you guys talk out the wrong orfice.

Really.. lets compare stamblade to stamsorc

Cloak = 3780 magicka cost VS Streak = 3780 magicka cost (-5% cost passively)
8% max magicka passively with siphoning ability slotted VS 0%, because no one is going to slot bound aegis
0% increase cost per use VS +50% cost per use
15% mag regen passively (no condition required) VS 10% mag regen passively (no condition required)

The mechanics of the 2 skills and the usability of such as an offensive/defensive skill can be argued, but what you said is a complete lie.

Both streak and cloak should have the same cost mechanics with only 15-25% per use. Nightblades don't have less magicka pools than other classes, that makes 0 sense, if anything you have the potential to have more, you just invest 100% in to DMG and 0% in to magicka and regen while other classes choose to do so, it's less of a determent to nightblades because you're sustain without investment is still good. This is why it's an issue, it's why in update 20 they are addressing sustain among classes.

(Cost's found online, not sure if still accurate)

TiberX · September 2018

OMG all nightblades jumped on this topic, some with flaming and lashing, calling ppl noobs, l2p and so on. How typical.
Kudos for those with argumented and not laughable oppinions.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

It's just funny to see that irl nightblade mains are as good at deflection and misdirection as they are in the actual game.

Datthaw · September 2018

TiberX wrote: »

OMG all nightblades jumped on this topic, some with flaming and lashing, calling ppl noobs, l2p and so on. How typical.

Because it's a dumb thread.

a single target ganking class ruins pvp? Or is it the zergs.... so we don't want 1v1 gankers we don't want zergs... do we even want pvp? Let's all us use no skills and light attack.

It's just stupid

Kadoin · September 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

It doesnt drop all damage when you cloak. That's not true at all. It will allow you to dodge direct damage skills. In a 1vx situation I'll laugh if you try to use cloak to mitigate damage like that if you're revealed, keep spamming that 4k cloak.

I don't spam cloak ever and in a "1vX" situation it does still drop damage if you use it at the right time. Also, cloak is not my only defense on NB and I can care less about being revealed AFTER I used it to drop the damage from the worst attacks and gain distance or move behind an obstacle. Even on an open field, gaining even a little distance means I can then roll dodge nearly everything else and cloak again or use my invis/hp/lingering pot.

"But what about all the undogeable skills?" Oh you mean those skills that are pathetically weak, unless I get hit with damage that is dodgeable (nearly all ranged attacks), OR have a delay (sub assault, blocade, caltrops, etc. - all got a short delay that makes all the difference...), OR require the person to be in my face (jabs, uppercut, flurry)? I would not run from anyone spinning around me, but I would still dodge and keep my hp topped. If they are spinning, I hope they are not alone and ready for me to go on the offensive...usually spinners either drop dead or don't do much damage out of execute range to worry about anyway. But you can always claim otherwise...The forums are really entertaining today.

TiberX · September 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

TiberX wrote: »

OMG all nightblades jumped on this topic, some with flaming and lashing, calling ppl noobs, l2p and so on. How typical.

Because it's a dumb thread.

a single target ganking class ruins pvp? Or is it the zergs.... so we don't want 1v1 gankers we don't want zergs... do we even want pvp? Let's all us use no skills and light attack.

It's just stupid

Zergs ruin pvp. But this topic wasnt a about then. I play solo and totaly dislike human centypede Zergs.

FlyingSwan · September 2018

TiberX wrote: »

OMG all nightblades jumped on this topic, some with flaming and lashing, calling ppl noobs, l2p and so on. How typical.
Kudos for those with argumented and not laughable oppinions.

The thread is nonsensical, that is why people have jumped on it. It's reminiscent of the lakes of QQ just after release when everyone was crying for Cloak to be nerfed, and if you remember what happened then, ZOS nerfed it and broke it for years, NB was the most broken class for a long time.

Now, I do not run an NB in PvP but I can sure as hell counter them. And whilst I'm not a noob, I haven't even played for 18 months and had to reskill all my chars, and still not having any issues taking out NBs, despite feeling that I am L2P all over again.

Datthaw · September 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

It doesnt drop all damage when you cloak. That's not true at all. It will allow you to dodge direct damage skills. In a 1vx situation I'll laugh if you try to use cloak to mitigate damage like that if you're revealed, keep spamming that 4k cloak.

I don't spam cloak ever and in a "1vX" situation it does still drop damage if you use it at the right time. Also, cloak is not my only defense on NB and I can care less about being revealed AFTER I used it to drop the damage from the worst attacks and gain distance or move behind an obstacle. Even on an open field, gaining even a little distance means I can then roll dodge nearly everything else and cloak again or use my invis/hp/lingering pot.

"But what about all the undogeable skills?" Oh you mean those skills that are pathetically weak, unless I get hit with damage that is dodgeable (nearly all ranged attacks), OR have a delay (sub assault, blocade, caltrops, etc. - all got a short delay that makes all the difference...), OR require the person to be in my face (jabs, uppercut, flurry)? I would not run from anyone spinning around me, but I would still dodge and keep my hp topped. If they are spinning, I hope they are not alone and ready for me to go on the offensive...usually spinners either drop dead or don't do much damage out of execute range to worry about anyway. But you can always claim otherwise...The forums are really entertaining today.

Nice strawman with the undodgeable attacks. Pretty sure I didn't say a word about it.

Kadoin · September 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

It doesnt drop all damage when you cloak. That's not true at all. It will allow you to dodge direct damage skills. In a 1vx situation I'll laugh if you try to use cloak to mitigate damage like that if you're revealed, keep spamming that 4k cloak.

I don't spam cloak ever and in a "1vX" situation it does still drop damage if you use it at the right time. Also, cloak is not my only defense on NB and I can care less about being revealed AFTER I used it to drop the damage from the worst attacks and gain distance or move behind an obstacle. Even on an open field, gaining even a little distance means I can then roll dodge nearly everything else and cloak again or use my invis/hp/lingering pot.

"But what about all the undogeable skills?" Oh you mean those skills that are pathetically weak, unless I get hit with damage that is dodgeable (nearly all ranged attacks), OR have a delay (sub assault, blocade, caltrops, etc. - all got a short delay that makes all the difference...), OR require the person to be in my face (jabs, uppercut, flurry)? I would not run from anyone spinning around me, but I would still dodge and keep my hp topped. If they are spinning, I hope they are not alone and ready for me to go on the offensive...usually spinners either drop dead or don't do much damage out of execute range to worry about anyway. But you can always claim otherwise...The forums are really entertaining today.

Nice strawman with the undodgeable attacks. Pretty sure I didn't say a word about it.

Yeah, another day another comedian. I won't waste my time on you. Enjoy pretending cloak is bad because its not an "I win" button. All I can say is if you believe so, record yourself playing, watch what you do and find out how to time cloak correctly. In fact, if you did that you would see exactly what I said was, still is, and will still be TRUE. No longer replying.

EDIT: Just so you know, I added that undgeable part there because I predicted you would use that BS argument like 99.9% of the "victimized" NBs on this forum.

Datthaw · September 2018

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Cloak is far more powerful then bolt escape. Even if it had increasing cost. If you think magelight is a sufficient mechanic you are out of your brain.

Magicka NBs are at range anyway. Played well you will hardly find them...The ability is used offensively more than defensively. But I agree with what someone said about taking it away. It will flip it around and gut the class. So yes the increase resource cost like bolt escape is prob the best solution. The rest is just QQ dont break my OP toy...

Also Stam Sorcs have to live with bolt escape costs so I dont see why the same principle cant apply to NBs

lol just.... lol. So much crying. Streak is better than cloak. Just is. Mist is *** better than cloak. Know why?because of detect pots, you can make immovable detect pots. Makes cloak useless. So tell me how something that is countered by a craftable pot broken. Oh yeah you. Will just go "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

I don't know, that 1 second miss window seems better than all of those other skills by a mile to me. Actually its more than one sec if you use invis pots and have cloak slotted. Maybe because I know how to use it to drop all damage and don't wait until I'm near death to use it? No defense works every time and neither should it. Yet, that's not how ZOS sees it apparently...and that's exactly why balance is garbage this patch and will be the next one.

It doesnt drop all damage when you cloak. That's not true at all. It will allow you to dodge direct damage skills. In a 1vx situation I'll laugh if you try to use cloak to mitigate damage like that if you're revealed, keep spamming that 4k cloak.

I don't spam cloak ever and in a "1vX" situation it does still drop damage if you use it at the right time. Also, cloak is not my only defense on NB and I can care less about being revealed AFTER I used it to drop the damage from the worst attacks and gain distance or move behind an obstacle. Even on an open field, gaining even a little distance means I can then roll dodge nearly everything else and cloak again or use my invis/hp/lingering pot.

"But what about all the undogeable skills?" Oh you mean those skills that are pathetically weak, unless I get hit with damage that is dodgeable (nearly all ranged attacks), OR have a delay (sub assault, blocade, caltrops, etc. - all got a short delay that makes all the difference...), OR require the person to be in my face (jabs, uppercut, flurry)? I would not run from anyone spinning around me, but I would still dodge and keep my hp topped. If they are spinning, I hope they are not alone and ready for me to go on the offensive...usually spinners either drop dead or don't do much damage out of execute range to worry about anyway. But you can always claim otherwise...The forums are really entertaining today.

Nice strawman with the undodgeable attacks. Pretty sure I didn't say a word about it.

Yeah, another day another comedian. I won't waste my time on you. Enjoy pretending cloak is bad because its not an "I win" button. All I can say is if you believe so, record yourself playing, watch what you do and find out how to time cloak correctly. In fact, if you did that you would see exactly what I said was, still is, and will still be TRUE. No longer replying.

EDIT: Just so you know, I added that undgeable part there because I predicted you would use that BS argument like 99.9% of the "victimized" NBs on this forum.

I never said it was bad... you love to just assume and assert incorrect things. I know how to use cloak to dodge just fine.

What I have a problem with is people like you "I win button" if you actually played nb you would never say that because it could not be more incorrect.

max_only · September 2018

I feel bad for Wrobel. First we accused him of being a Sorc main and now y’all accuse him of being a nb main. Next crown featurette should be a tin foil helm.