Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

i think stams had there incompetence covered up by high resist, rolldodge and enough stam to cc break and block for 4 yrs looooool how bout you play in light on a mag toon without shields and then come talk to me about survivability cuz stams going pretty god damn good

Kadoin wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

Honestly, I find playing medium armor builds easier. Esp. the ones with %HP heals. Also, no one forces you to use hulking and bone pirate, you want to and you pay the price for it. Just like if I wear 2x damage set on a light armor build and die in one db + executioner. It's called trade-offs and guess what? The trade-off for being in light is really getting hard to justify in PvP vs heavy in nearly every case.

Wrong, because I see light armour builds running with shackle + necropotence or necro + lich (no defensive sets whatsoever), with 50K max magicka and 2k+ recovery, and 20K+ shields due to their high max magicka pool. Let me know what the downside of the aforementioned setup is please. Also, I do have to run fortified brass/impreg on my stamina toons but that comes at the expense of a set that could give me better resources/damage.

ezio45 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

i think stams had there incompetence covered up by high resist, rolldodge and enough stam to cc break and block for 4 yrs looooool how bout you play in light on a mag toon without shields and then come talk to me about survivability cuz stams going pretty god damn good

Really? Do you think resistance means anything when bleeds are becoming so prevalent which go through resistance. Also unmitigateable cc's like rune cage/fossilise can stop you mid dodge-roll, subjecting the player to enough bursts to kill them.

And heavy armour stamina builds have to rely on higher health recovery, but guess what, defile significantly reduces health recovery and we've been in a defile meta for about 6 months now which I've said before.

Exodium wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

Honestly, I find playing medium armor builds easier. Esp. the ones with %HP heals. Also, no one forces you to use hulking and bone pirate, you want to and you pay the price for it. Just like if I wear 2x damage set on a light armor build and die in one db + executioner. It's called trade-offs and guess what? The trade-off for being in light is really getting hard to justify in PvP vs heavy in nearly every case.

Wrong, because I see light armour builds running with shackle + necropotence or necro + lich (no defensive sets whatsoever), with 50K max magicka and 2k+ recovery, and 20K+ shields due to their high max magicka pool. Let me know what the downside of the aforementioned setup is please. Also, I do have to run fortified brass/impreg on my stamina toons but that comes at the expense of a set that could give me better resources/damage.

I'm guessing its the same downside as the stam user wearing a SnB with hulking + bone pirate spamming absorb magic and rolling when they see a mag char until they get their ult up and explode on them. Bonus points if they are a DK, NB, or Warden, enjoying that HP% heal not touching their stam pool and because eventually they will win that encounter and if they don't it's definitely a player issue.

Also bonus bonus points if they are a stam templar with that setup and 30K+power of the light that strips damage shields instantly and sometimes insta-kills when you get DB + light on you. Omega points if they got bleeds with that and spam defile. No magic user will survive a templar like that unless they can roll or purge. Guess how many magic users can do that in Cyro without sacrificing a LOT of damage or heals and wear light armor? HINT: NONE

Exodium wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I'm guessing its the same downside as the stam user wearing a SnB with hulking + bone pirate spamming absorb magic and rolling when they see a mag char until they get their ult up and explode on them. Bonus points if they are a DK, NB, or Warden, enjoying that HP% heal not touching their stam pool and because eventually they will win that encounter and if they don't it's definitely a player issue.

Also bonus bonus points if they are a stam templar with that setup and 30K+power of the light that strips damage shields instantly and sometimes insta-kills when you get DB + light on you. Omega points if they got bleeds with that and spam defile. No magic user will survive a templar like that unless they can roll or purge. Guess how many magic users can do that in Cyro without sacrificing a LOT of damage or heals and wear light armor? HINT: NONE

Lol absorb magicka? There are mag sorc skills that don't affect that - fury isnt, curse isnt. Also, that skill only reflects the next projectile cast at you, so you think a Stam character is going to just spam a 2.5k cost skill to reflect one projectile? The fact that most magplars and magdks aren't projectile based also means that barely any stamina characters run that skill. So your argument is invalid.

30k power of the light wtf lol are we still in HOTR or something? Stamplar is arguably one of the worst open world classes too so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up to help your case out.

ezio45 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

Honestly, I find playing medium armor builds easier. Esp. the ones with %HP heals. Also, no one forces you to use hulking and bone pirate, you want to and you pay the price for it. Just like if I wear 2x damage set on a light armor build and die in one db + executioner. It's called trade-offs and guess what? The trade-off for being in light is really getting hard to justify in PvP vs heavy in nearly every case.

Wrong, because I see light armour builds running with shackle + necropotence or necro + lich (no defensive sets whatsoever), with 50K max magicka and 2k+ recovery, and 20K+ shields due to their high max magicka pool. Let me know what the downside of the aforementioned setup is please. Also, I do have to run fortified brass/impreg on my stamina toons but that comes at the expense of a set that could give me better resources/damage.

ezio45 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

i think stams had there incompetence covered up by high resist, rolldodge and enough stam to cc break and block for 4 yrs looooool how bout you play in light on a mag toon without shields and then come talk to me about survivability cuz stams going pretty god damn good

Really? Do you think resistance means anything when bleeds are becoming so prevalent which go through resistance. Also unmitigateable cc's like rune cage/fossilise can stop you mid dodge-roll, subjecting the player to enough bursts to kill them.

And heavy armour stamina builds have to rely on higher health recovery, but guess what, defile significantly reduces health recovery and we've been in a defile meta for about 6 months now which I've said before.

ooh gee the stam got caught rolldodging i hope he has enough to break free instead of just sitting there getting hit. I hope his 40k stam will be enough

seriously if and stam is getting stun from cc's they suck. theres no excuse to not be able to break free from even fossilizes if stam is your main stat

thats as laughable as a mag complaining about using to much mag and not being able to spam a shield / heal

and guess what, defile meta is dead, stop complaining about it and again, there is heavy if they can tank out long enough to heal there doing something wrong

Erm, no I'm saying that your argument that roll is an amazing form of defence is nullified when you have CC's that go through dodge roll, leaving medium stamina character vulnerable in these situations. Stamina suffers more skills that they can't interact with than magicka.

Shieldbreaker might be your only argument for uninteractable sets/abilites but even then, which players with any dignity run shield breaker?

if a mag is cc'd how are they not more vulnerable than stam, at that point we have virtually 0 resistance with no shield and shields can be two shot bu any good player

Exodium wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I'm guessing its the same downside as the stam user wearing a SnB with hulking + bone pirate spamming absorb magic and rolling when they see a mag char until they get their ult up and explode on them. Bonus points if they are a DK, NB, or Warden, enjoying that HP% heal not touching their stam pool and because eventually they will win that encounter and if they don't it's definitely a player issue.

Also bonus bonus points if they are a stam templar with that setup and 30K+power of the light that strips damage shields instantly and sometimes insta-kills when you get DB + light on you. Omega points if they got bleeds with that and spam defile. No magic user will survive a templar like that unless they can roll or purge. Guess how many magic users can do that in Cyro without sacrificing a LOT of damage or heals and wear light armor? HINT: NONE

Lol absorb magicka? There are mag sorc skills that don't affect that - fury isnt, curse isnt. Also, that skill only reflects the next projectile cast at you, so you think a Stam character is going to just spam a 2.5k cost skill to reflect one projectile? The fact that most magplars and magdks aren't projectile based also means that barely any stamina characters run that skill. So your argument is invalid.

30k power of the light wtf lol are we still in HOTR or something? Stamplar is arguably one of the worst open world classes too so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up to help your case out.

ezio45 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

Honestly, I find playing medium armor builds easier. Esp. the ones with %HP heals. Also, no one forces you to use hulking and bone pirate, you want to and you pay the price for it. Just like if I wear 2x damage set on a light armor build and die in one db + executioner. It's called trade-offs and guess what? The trade-off for being in light is really getting hard to justify in PvP vs heavy in nearly every case.

Wrong, because I see light armour builds running with shackle + necropotence or necro + lich (no defensive sets whatsoever), with 50K max magicka and 2k+ recovery, and 20K+ shields due to their high max magicka pool. Let me know what the downside of the aforementioned setup is please. Also, I do have to run fortified brass/impreg on my stamina toons but that comes at the expense of a set that could give me better resources/damage.

ezio45 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.

LOL try playing a medium armour stam build in hulkings and bonepirate where a mistake actually means death. So many magicka players (mag sorcs particularly) have had their incompetence and mistakes disguised by 20k shields for about 4 years now.

i think stams had there incompetence covered up by high resist, rolldodge and enough stam to cc break and block for 4 yrs looooool how bout you play in light on a mag toon without shields and then come talk to me about survivability cuz stams going pretty god damn good

Really? Do you think resistance means anything when bleeds are becoming so prevalent which go through resistance. Also unmitigateable cc's like rune cage/fossilise can stop you mid dodge-roll, subjecting the player to enough bursts to kill them.

And heavy armour stamina builds have to rely on higher health recovery, but guess what, defile significantly reduces health recovery and we've been in a defile meta for about 6 months now which I've said before.

ooh gee the stam got caught rolldodging i hope he has enough to break free instead of just sitting there getting hit. I hope his 40k stam will be enough

seriously if and stam is getting stun from cc's they suck. theres no excuse to not be able to break free from even fossilizes if stam is your main stat

thats as laughable as a mag complaining about using to much mag and not being able to spam a shield / heal

and guess what, defile meta is dead, stop complaining about it and again, there is heavy if they can tank out long enough to heal there doing something wrong

Erm, no I'm saying that your argument that roll is an amazing form of defence is nullified when you have CC's that go through dodge roll, leaving medium stamina character vulnerable in these situations. Stamina suffers more skills that they can't interact with than magicka.

Shieldbreaker might be your only argument for uninteractable sets/abilites but even then, which players with any dignity run shield breaker?

[1] Absorb magic doesn't reflect a projectile. In its current state it absorbs nearly every magic skill in the game, including soul assault, templar ray and even most elemental/magic proc sets including illambris, grothdarr, bahraha's curse, etc. and any light attack/heavy from any staff It basically shuts down any magic user. The best part is that absorb magic also heals you %HP in addition to negating damage from almost any magic/elemental skill/item set/passive in the game! Who cares if fury and curse are not absorbed when every other skill is and it heals your opponent? Anyone defending this skill in its form on live obviously has no clue how it works or has never been a magic user facing it. The alternative is that they are one of those "unkillable tanks" spamming it. Also don't forget their are other magic classes in the game other than sorc. You can really have a good laugh spamming absorb magic vs. a mag NB.

[2] "30K PotL wtf" really? Is that the best you can do?

[3] "One of the worse open world classes," yet still far superior to magplar, mag warden, superior to a mag NB if you have absorb magic slotted and don't mind wailing like an idiot to uncloak them (but if you have ritual of retribution this isn't hard, trust me I know because I do have 4 templars after all), and also superior to sorc if you wear SnB and, again, simply do exactly what I said in my previous post. I'm not talking air, I've done exactly what I've posted. How else do you think I know this?

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Gorilla wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

Shields are broken and imbalanced mechanically. Stacking, no Crit, same survival pool as damage modifier and most of the healing tree with crazy efficiency: They needed a fix.

Don’t QQ till you at least see the new system.

Or people like you can just L2P?

hmmm....I have seen Sorcs 1vX groups of good to great players. Many many many times.

No doubt we can all tailor our builds to double dots, shield breakers, fear + dots, etc etc, but that seems fairly limiting.

Either your good-great players are actually garbage, or the sorcs were world class. It is so easy to pressure shields in an Xv1 that no sorc should be able to win while outnumbered by players of remotely similar experience.

What people don't seem to understand is that any mag user would collapse after getting CC'd with 2+ stam poison on them. If they don't, then they must have an extremely hard time sustaining those shields OR they took a huge damage cut. In fact, poison would end any 1vX once it's stacked high enough. Surprisingly, though, you rarely encounter anyone using cost poisons when outnumbered. I bet if you watch these 1vX streams you won't see cost poison on the player either at all or its extremely rare.

Maybe people that always run in packs are used to rolling things down and don't have the sense to think about what might happen when they don't. That hardly makes a case for nerfing anything.

Kadoin wrote: »

[1] Absorb magic doesn't reflect a projectile. In its current state it absorbs nearly every magic skill in the game, including soul assault, templar ray and even most elemental/magic proc sets including illambris, grothdarr, bahraha's curse, etc. and any light attack/heavy from any staff It basically shuts down any magic user. The best part is that absorb magic also heals you %HP in addition to negating damage from almost any magic/elemental skill/item set/passive in the game! Who cares if fury and curse are not absorbed when every other skill is and it heals your opponent? Anyone defending this skill in its form on live obviously has no clue how it works or has never been a magic user facing it. The alternative is that they are one of those "unkillable tanks" spamming it. Also don't forget their are other magic classes in the game other than sorc. You can really have a good laugh spamming absorb magic vs. a mag NB.

[2] "30K PotL wtf" really? Is that the best you can do?

[3] "One of the worse open world classes," yet still far superior to magplar, mag warden, superior to a mag NB if you have absorb magic slotted and don't mind wailing like an idiot to uncloak them (but if you have ritual of retribution this isn't hard, trust me I know because I do have 4 templars after all), and also superior to sorc if you wear SnB and, again, simply do exactly what I said in my previous post. I'm not talking air, I've done exactly what I've posted. How else do you think I know this?

Absorb magic reflects soul assault? And it reflects llambris/grothdar? Honestly this is the first time I've heard of this. I'd have to see it to believe it but sounds OP to me.

Yes, because I've never seen a 30k PotL even in HOTR days, where they hit for like 8k max. I don't need to address something that's clearly exaggerated.

Errr...Stamplar is not better than Magplar. Both classes from the same problem in which they are static and rely on being in their focus/ritual for their defense, but the difference is that Stamplar actually has to be mobile (which counters their form of defence) whereas Magplars can afford to just stay in their 'home' and block+cast BoL until an offensive window opens up. Or they can mist form to LoS if they need to.

Magnb is really good - they have mobility (shadow image + cloak), damage combos similar to magsorc and good defense through access to minor maim and high max magicka pools meaning they also have decent shields.

Magwarden is valid but that class is just an outlier.

Nerf sorc because of absorb Magicka! It makes soul assault useless!

But... That's not a sorc skill, and it only Shields about 8K, soul assault has a 60K tool tip...

Don't care! Nerf sorc!!!

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