If I'm remembering correctly, that 2700 tooltip should be including Torug's and your Infused enchant. The raw value is around 920, again, if I remember correctly.

That said, I don't have this stuff fully internalized, so I could be misremembering values severely.

I just made a test on the dummy now with Pierce armor and crusher, torugs infused and my max penetration was 7488, remove the major fracture from that and I ended up with 2208 penetration from all. I think something is bugged or not working correctly.

Also Without Infused tooltip says around 2100 penetration with infused its 2700, so Torug's does nothing

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

That is correct. Here is the spread sheet of torug's vs. Alkosh where you can see it's steady performance assuming you have 100% uptime on Torug's https://woeler.eu/alkosh-vs-torugs-pact/

again where does Torug's have an effect, base infused weapon does 2700 penetration

msetten wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Be careful with Torugs tho, if the other tank isn't running it you'll likely be losing the 5pc bonus.

Why would you not get the 5pc bonus if the other tank isn’t running it?? As far as I know 5pc bonus is not dependent on what others in your group have, but on what you are wearing. Or am I missing something?

@msetten Since if both tanks are running crusher, but only one is running torugs then there's a 50/50 chance of getting the torugs bonus, since the crusher enchant will just refresh whatever's currently applied.

E.g. if the non-torugs enchant was applied and the tank with torugs hit the boss it would just refresh the non-torugs enchant & vice versa.

EDIT: Look at Woeler or Liofa's posts on the forums, pretty sure one of those explained it in better detail.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

That is correct. Here is the spread sheet of torug's vs. Alkosh where you can see it's steady performance assuming you have 100% uptime on Torug's https://woeler.eu/alkosh-vs-torugs-pact/

again where does Torug's have an effect, base infused weapon does 2700 penetration

If you remove a Torug's set piece(but not the weapon) and look at the enchantment, then put it back on and look again you'll see the 30% change added in stats

Crusher enchant: 1622 penetration
Infused or Torug's Crusher enchant: 2108 penetration
Infused and Torug's Crusher enchant: 2740 penetration

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Non infused crusher is around 1600, infused is 2100 and with Torug's it's 2700.

My defending plague doctor gives 2100 penetration

Any infused weapons? Since the enchant/trait is now remembered it could be you're applying crusher from an infused then just refreshing with the defending... or it could be a bug lol

Does a torugs infused flame glyph only apply every 2s?

Like infused reduces CD by 50% to 2s. Torugs reduces by additional 30% so 2x0.7 = 1.4.
But attacks happen every second so it would be at every 2s as can't apply if damage is recorded at 1s intervals?

Or I wrong?

Royaji wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

How good is this set for a dps player? Let's say I want to use an infused staff/bow/2h with a fire enchant or whatever. Is the gain good enough to counter for the loss of other stats, like regen, resources, etc? In PvP you can up your burst damage with such an enchant, but I guess you lose a lot on other things.

No. It's a terrible set for a DD. In PvP it can be used on niche oblivion damage builds but that's about it.

This is why I always tell people that their playstyle matters, and should be taken into consideration, when looking for an appropriate DPS build. You absolutely can DPS with Torugs, and it holds its own relatively easily compared to the traditional DPS styles, chiefly magsorc.

Here's a parse done with no frags, no curse, self buffed, and no Necropotence, with Torugs. The primary damage comes from the enchantments and consistent weapon swapping to proc each alternating elemental enchant from the front and back staves evenly, which is where the meat of the damage profile lies.




It also allows me to have builds like this, for PVP.
https://youtu.be/4d2-6CnjGvs
Admittedly an older video, but not much has changed for enchantments since.

It's a set I've been using as my primary for both PVP and PVE for a long time, and I didn't learn it from a build video, build guide, or another player's idea. If you see potential in a set, mechanic, or otherwise, I'm of the mind to chase it, because you'll never know where it'll lead you to until it does.

Now, with this latest update, you don't necessarily have to do the rotational weapon swap mechanic to achieve even distribution of both enchantments anymore, seeing as how they proc even while off-bar now, so long as there's an active weapon attack doing damage from that bar (blockade), but laying down all DoTs and swapping to the back bar to spam elemental weapon nets the same DPS. One more parse to show proper enchant distribution over a 9s span (Burning prolonged the combat timer).



I also broke a certain someone's target skeleton taking a parse with this..


Torugs OP #SendHelp