What are tanks wearing in trials?

mmolegends44 · June 2018

In this laggy update is everyone still wearing ebon/alkosh and or ebon/plaguedoctor recently just heard off tank is now wear hist bark/ebon I heard about people using hist bark a few times looked it up saw it does %15 dodge chance while blocking just wanted to see if anyone changed sets to wear.

DPShiro · June 2018

Different for each trial and sometimes fight.
But when you can have a good uptime, always Alkosh as one set.

thegenuinebuzz · June 2018

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

Your offtank can wear numerous sets but i heavily rate another set of alkosh, depending on the trial. The uptime of one tanks alkosh can vary from near 100 with an experienced tank in a stack based trial to hitting lower 40's-30% uptime, and it's such a large DPS loss, having 2 tanks wearing the set essentially guarantees a +90% uptime on alkosh.

As the secondary set it can be numerous things, Ebon is always a safe option and recommended for first clears and progression, on top of just having safer runs, however there are other sets that could be utilized, Powerful Assault(Imperial City) is one such set, it drops 1,100HP from the group and gives a situational 164 Weap/Spell Damage buff when you use vigor, as an offtank this pushes the damage But you are in medium armor!. Depending on the amount of heat you get as an offtank you could run PA, but expect to take a lot more damage, have worse resources and need more healing focused on you.

In terms of 4 man content, you can purely use anything, i typically sit in Torug's/Alkosh or Ebon/Alkosh, if the team has low synergies i switch Alkosh for Powerful Assault, to get at least a consistent buff on the team, Akaviri Dragonguard is also a good substitute as it gives you more resource management and additional warhorn uptime; Which is likely going to not be 100% even on the major stats as most of the time you either have 1 healer with a horn or no one else if you're running with 3 Damage dealers.

Core sets:
Ebon Armory (Crypt of Hearts)
Torug's Pact (Craftable)
Roar of Alkosh (Maw of Lorkhaj)

Additional sets
Powerful Assault (Imperial City)
Akaviri Dragonguard (Eastmarch)
Brands of Imperium (White gold tower) Used on maintank in place of torug's for safer group play/ Hardmode trial clears
Plague Doctor (Deshaan) Purely for content that you're completely new with
Seducer (Crafted) Same as above, but if content is more magicka draining than hard hitting

Kuwhar · June 2018

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

So tanks expected to wear full Alkosh sets to the trial that drops Alkosh sets?

thegenuinebuzz · June 2018

Kuwhar wrote: »

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

So tanks expected to wear full Alkosh sets to the trial that drops Alkosh sets?

You could run blue alkosh from normal for example, until you've cleared normal, any set is fine, because normal really isn't too difficult. Ebon/Dragon, Dragon/Torug's, just something comfy until you've obtained the 5pc

mmolegends44 · June 2018

dragon is the set that builds the ult quicker right @thegenuinebuzz forgot what it does I got the alkosh jewelry but accidently deleted the sword and board smh

MaddPowered · June 2018

vMoL : MT - Torug's / Alkosh OT - Powerful Assault / Alkosh
vHoF : MT - Torug's / Alkosh OT - Ebon / Alkosh
vAS : MT - Torug's / Alkosh Ot - Ebon / Spell Power Cure
vAA : MT - Torug's / Alkosh
vHRC : MT - Torug's / Alkosh
vSO : MT - Torug's / Alkosh OT - Powerful Assault / Alkosh

Note that these set ups are purely for end-game score pushing.

Yzalirk · June 2018

Interesting topic. I have just been getting into Tanking but am unsure what sets to get before getting the high grade stuff from Trials.

Silver_Strider · June 2018

I don't see the appeal of Torug's Pacts if you can proc Crusher Enchants on CD with an Infused Weapon alone.

Concret · June 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I don't see the appeal of Torug's Pacts if you can proc Crusher Enchants on CD with an Infused Weapon alone.

Even if it is possible it's easier to have High uptime with torug.
+ The enchant is stronger and DDs can put less CPs for penetration.

Funkopotamus · June 2018

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

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Sadly that should be "If the DPS NEEDS the tank to wear "DPS boosting sets" then the DPS in the group need more practice on their rotation and learn to burn bosses without the crutch of a tank..

ESO is about the only MMO I have played "and I was here beta testing EQ1" that it is mandatory for tanks to act as buffbots for the group.. There is something fundamentally wrong with that to me, but heh wadyagunado?

But this is ESO and the way this game is played tanks are only needed as a damn buff stick for the dps 90% of the time.. Don't blame the players blame ZOS for turning this game into "Babies first MMO"

D0PAMINE · June 2018

Funkopotamus wrote: »

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

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Sadly that should be "If the DPS NEEDS the tank to wear "DPS boosting sets" then the DPS in the group need more practice on their rotation and learn to burn bosses without the crutch of a tank..

ESO is about the only MMO I have played "and I was here beta testing EQ1" that it is mandatory for tanks to act as buffbots for the group.. There is something fundamentally wrong with that to me, but heh wadyagunado?

But this is ESO and the way this game is played tanks are only needed as a damn buff stick for the dps 90% of the time.. Don't blame the players blame ZOS for turning this game into "Babies first MMO"

Tanks buff and debuff the group. What else are you gonna do?

thegenuinebuzz · June 2018

Dds don’t need you to debuff to do damage but what’s the harm in allowing them to do more damage with a set, if you can survive anyway?

FrostFallFox · June 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

To purely push damage, main tank always needs to be in Torug's Pact/Alkosh, this cannot be changed, if your tank needs to wear a selfish set to survive then they need more practice with the mechanics and learn to survive in this setup.

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Sadly that should be "If the DPS NEEDS the tank to wear "DPS boosting sets" then the DPS in the group need more practice on their rotation and learn to burn bosses without the crutch of a tank..

ESO is about the only MMO I have played "and I was here beta testing EQ1" that it is mandatory for tanks to act as buffbots for the group.. There is something fundamentally wrong with that to me, but heh wadyagunado?

But this is ESO and the way this game is played tanks are only needed as a damn buff stick for the dps 90% of the time.. Don't blame the players blame ZOS for turning this game into "Babies first MMO"

Tanks buff and debuff the group. What else are you gonna do?

Right though. Same with healers. Does it hurt to throw orbs and combat prayers? Or are you just gonna heal ulti randomly because it looks cute.

Woeler · June 2018

Can we please stop advocating Torugs when crusher enchants are still getting overriden by the one with the longest duration on application? Torugs is completely useless if anyone else is also running a crusher enchant. With good Alkosh uptimes all magicka dd’s should already be at a solid pen number. You are way better off using a normal infused crusher and any other 5 piece.

We’re on the summerset patch now, not morrowind.

Liofa · June 2018

Ok let me explain something for you people.

Crusher works in a strange way and I think you should know before recommending Torug's.

Let's say we have 2 different Crushers, an Infused one and a Torug Infused one.

If I apply the Torug's Crusher and someone else applies the Infused one, the penetration on the target will stay like it still has Torug's Crusher on it. This sounds good right? Yeah. Now let's take a look at the other way.

If I apply the Infused Crusher and someone else applies the Torug's one, the penetration stays the same. That means, if you let Crusher down once and someone else applies Crusher before you can reapply it, the whole 5 piece will be trash for the rest of the fight. This is not something that can be communicated with others during a raid. I mean, no one is gonna say ''hey dude don't use Crusher for few seconds so I can go back to Torugs'' ^^

So there. I tested this yesterday btw so it is fresh info.

GlorphNoldorin · June 2018

Given the info about Torugs/crusher, what do you recommend for end game tanks Woeler/Liofa?

Liofa · June 2018

@GlorphNoldorin

MT > Ebon/Alkosh, OT > Dragon/Alkosh. OT should swap Dragon with PA whenever possible. That's what we are doing in my group. There may or may not be some other setups that is better but this definitely works great.

Just make sure you know how to apply Crusher with 100% uptime without Torug's. If you don't know it yet, check this video or you can read this.