Moltyr wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.

The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.

VaranisArano wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

When

Moltyr wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.

The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.

When you attack me 14v1, you ARE a p****. You still don't get the difference, its not always about numbers. A bunch of uncoordinated pugs even with larger numbers are not a zerg if they're not balling up, dropping ults an charging at you all at the same time. What they are doing is skirmishing. A non-organized random mass trying to take down a slightly smaller force that is using zerg tactic. It's the tactics that matter. Say you are 14 strong, if you are dropping all 14 of your ults and smashing through an unorganized scattering of pugs, thats a zerg tactic.

"A zergling denying he's a zergling" when you're in a open field spread out fighting a similar sized forced you're not a zergling, you're a skirmisher. That's open warfare, the only tactic is looking out for yourself. I'm not dependent on a healer, or anyone else to complete the task of killing people. That's not a zergling. You just want to call it that out of ignorance of what "zerging" is.

So 60 disorganized players "skirmishing" at the same place against the same 14 opponents are not a zerg? But their 14 organized opponents are?

Oh, that's hilarious.

Its like I say about DC. DC never zergs! Those are all 4-man groups. All 20 of them. At the same keep.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

When

Moltyr wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.

The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.

When you attack me 14v1, you ARE a p****. You still don't get the difference, its not always about numbers. A bunch of uncoordinated pugs even with larger numbers are not a zerg if they're not balling up, dropping ults an charging at you all at the same time. What they are doing is skirmishing. A non-organized random mass trying to take down a slightly smaller force that is using zerg tactic. It's the tactics that matter. Say you are 14 strong, if you are dropping all 14 of your ults and smashing through an unorganized scattering of pugs, thats a zerg tactic.

"A zergling denying he's a zergling" when you're in a open field spread out fighting a similar sized forced you're not a zergling, you're a skirmisher. That's open warfare, the only tactic is looking out for yourself. I'm not dependent on a healer, or anyone else to complete the task of killing people. That's not a zergling. You just want to call it that out of ignorance of what "zerging" is.

So 60 disorganized players "skirmishing" at the same place against the same 14 opponents are not a zerg? But their 14 organized opponents are?

Oh, that's hilarious.

Its like I say about DC. DC never zergs! Those are all 4-man groups. All 20 of them. At the same keep.

If that's what you discerned out of what I described, then reading comprehension not zerging should be your main focus. When do you see 60 people ganging up on a 14 man ball zerg? Plus, if it takes 60 people to take out a small group like that its BECAUSE you are using zerg tactics. Charging into unorganized random skirmishers, that don't know how to combat you is still a form of zerging because of the tactics you're using. CONTEXT, as someone said. If they are surrounding you spamming light attacks or trying to pick off guys in the back of your zerg, no thats not zerging. A large group of people don't = a zerg if they are not using zerg tactics. The key is the context of the engagement. A 60 man group sieging a keep full of 60 people isn't a zerg.

I didn't say DC doesn't zerg, we have some groups that use those tactics, they are zergs or zerg balls etc call them what you will. But a large force doesn't automatically = a zerg. Take gate fights for example. Say you have Drac running around the gate in a 14 man, while 25 DC are running around chasing them unorganized, thats not DC zerging a smaller force. Take that same 25 people, organize them in Discord chat, start dropping negates and charging into the smaller 14 man group, thats zerging.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

When

Moltyr wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.

The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.

When you attack me 14v1, you ARE a p****. You still don't get the difference, its not always about numbers. A bunch of uncoordinated pugs even with larger numbers are not a zerg if they're not balling up, dropping ults an charging at you all at the same time. What they are doing is skirmishing. A non-organized random mass trying to take down a slightly smaller force that is using zerg tactic. It's the tactics that matter. Say you are 14 strong, if you are dropping all 14 of your ults and smashing through an unorganized scattering of pugs, thats a zerg tactic.

"A zergling denying he's a zergling" when you're in a open field spread out fighting a similar sized forced you're not a zergling, you're a skirmisher. That's open warfare, the only tactic is looking out for yourself. I'm not dependent on a healer, or anyone else to complete the task of killing people. That's not a zergling. You just want to call it that out of ignorance of what "zerging" is.

So 60 disorganized players "skirmishing" at the same place against the same 14 opponents are not a zerg? But their 14 organized opponents are?

Oh, that's hilarious.

Its like I say about DC. DC never zergs! Those are all 4-man groups. All 20 of them. At the same keep.

If that's what you discerned out of what I described, then reading comprehension not zerging should be your main focus. When do you see 60 people ganging up on a 14 man ball zerg? Plus, if it takes 60 people to take out a small group like that its BECAUSE you are using zerg tactics. Charging into unorganized random skirmishers, that don't know how to combat you is still a form of zerging because of the tactics you're using. CONTEXT, as someone said. If they are surrounding you spamming light attacks or trying to pick off guys in the back of your zerg, no thats not zerging. A large group of people don't = a zerg if they are not using zerg tactics. The key is the context of the engagement. A 60 man group sieging a keep full of 60 people isn't a zerg.

I didn't say DC doesn't zerg, we have some groups that use those tactics, they are zergs or zerg balls etc call them what you will. But a large force doesn't automatically = a zerg. Take gate fights for example. Say you have Drac running around the gate in a 14 man, while 25 DC are running around chasing them unorganized, thats not DC zerging a smaller force. Take that same 25 people, organize them in Discord chat, start dropping negates and charging into the smaller 14 man group, thats zerging.

I mean, I guess I understand the distinction you want to make between the tactics a large disorganized group uses and the tactics an organized group uses.

Because, completely apart from calling anything a Zerg or not, yes, an outnumbered organized group will absolutely pull apart and slaughter a large disorganized mass of players because the organized group can execute good tactics far more effectively.

That's a good thing, in my opinion. A small organized group working together in voice comms ought to be able to fight well against large numbers of disorganized foes.

If you find yourself on the side of the large disorganized force that vastly outnumbers the small organized group, and you are struggling to beat them? Well, maybe figure out that "skirmishing" with them isn't working out so well for you and get more organized.

To use my joke about DC "zergs" as an example, 14 v 80 is one thing, but if those 80 are disorganized and fighting like 14v 4+4+4+4+... That's a whole different matter and the only answer is for those 80 to get better organized.

Exactly!

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.

When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.

skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.

zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.

There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.

You're a ZERG. :P

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.

When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.

skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.

zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.

There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.

You're a ZERG. :P

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

No it isn't.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

When

Moltyr wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.

The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.

When you attack me 14v1, you ARE a p****. You still don't get the difference, its not always about numbers. A bunch of uncoordinated pugs even with larger numbers are not a zerg if they're not balling up, dropping ults an charging at you all at the same time. What they are doing is skirmishing. A non-organized random mass trying to take down a slightly smaller force that is using zerg tactic. It's the tactics that matter. Say you are 14 strong, if you are dropping all 14 of your ults and smashing through an unorganized scattering of pugs, thats a zerg tactic.

"A zergling denying he's a zergling" when you're in a open field spread out fighting a similar sized forced you're not a zergling, you're a skirmisher. That's open warfare, the only tactic is looking out for yourself. I'm not dependent on a healer, or anyone else to complete the task of killing people. That's not a zergling. You just want to call it that out of ignorance of what "zerging" is.

So 60 disorganized players "skirmishing" at the same place against the same 14 opponents are not a zerg? But their 14 organized opponents are?

Oh, that's hilarious.

Its like I say about DC. DC never zergs! Those are all 4-man groups. All 20 of them. At the same keep.

If that's what you discerned out of what I described, then reading comprehension not zerging should be your main focus. When do you see 60 people ganging up on a 14 man ball zerg? Plus, if it takes 60 people to take out a small group like that its BECAUSE you are using zerg tactics. Charging into unorganized random skirmishers, that don't know how to combat you is still a form of zerging because of the tactics you're using. CONTEXT, as someone said. If they are surrounding you spamming light attacks or trying to pick off guys in the back of your zerg, no thats not zerging. A large group of people don't = a zerg if they are not using zerg tactics. The key is the context of the engagement. A 60 man group sieging a keep full of 60 people isn't a zerg.

I didn't say DC doesn't zerg, we have some groups that use those tactics, they are zergs or zerg balls etc call them what you will. But a large force doesn't automatically = a zerg. Take gate fights for example. Say you have Drac running around the gate in a 14 man, while 25 DC are running around chasing them unorganized, thats not DC zerging a smaller force. Take that same 25 people, organize them in Discord chat, start dropping negates and charging into the smaller 14 man group, thats zerging.