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Zerg vs Skirmish...learn the difference
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I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.
When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
Edited by MetalHead4x4 on September 10, 2018 2:13AM When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
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✭So what your saying is... if 6 experienced players wipe a group of 30 pugs over and over with careful coordination and ult timings, the 6 man group is zerging? Huh... being a zergling never sounded so goodEdited by _Ahala_ on September 10, 2018 3:18AM13 -
MetalHead4x4✭✭✭So what your saying is... if 6 experienced players wipe a group of 30 pugs over and over with careful coordination and ult timings, the 6 man group is zerging? Huh... being a zergling never sounded so good
I'd like to see a 6 v 30 win in any real scenario first. I don't see it happening. Zerg implies an overwhelming force, 6 v 30 doesn't imply a zerg. Now if those 30 team up and smash the 6, then they zerged.
6 is a team, if they coordinate and defeat 30, thats fine. If they 6v2 some guys, then they zerged. Key being superior numbers + coordination. Or even inferior numbers plus coordination against random pugs. But not 6.Edited by MetalHead4x4 on September 10, 2018 3:30AMPC/NA Daevyen the Warlock (Sorc)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.
When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
So you say a zerg is just a bunch of people who just overwhelm and don't rely on technique or strategy. And then say when they are surrounded by greater numbers of players engaging in uncoordinated and "irregular" fighting, they aren't zerged?
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✭✭✭✭✭Eh, see, I define a Zerg as one or more organized raids +PUGs. Like, actually massive numbers of players.
But then, I've been called a Zerg in a group of only 12 organized players, no PUGs around. So, you know.
Honestly, I love Cyrodiil's large scale combat, so I'm not bothered at all by zerging or being zerged. I just don't complain about it or call it a Zerg unless its actually a raid+pugs. And if I'm in an organized raid, fighting a Zerg is what I call a fun night.Edited by VaranisArano on September 10, 2018 3:52AM0 -
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✭✭✭Edit: I actually have no idea what the OP is saying.Edited by DaveMoeDee on September 10, 2018 3:52AM3 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭What I usually see is 15 people camping a resource and killing pug teams of 5-6... It's rarely that I see them killing a group even close 2 their numbers... As soon as they fight a even half what coordinated group themselves they tend 2collapse pretty fast
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EdderinoSoul ShrivenMetalHead4x4 wrote: »Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy.
Sounds like bigger pugs are the real zergs...
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✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »So what your saying is... if 6 experienced players wipe a group of 30 pugs over and over with careful coordination and ult timings, the 6 man group is zerging? Huh... being a zergling never sounded so good
I'd like to see a 6 v 30 win in any real scenario first. I don't see it happening. Zerg implies an overwhelming force, 6 v 30 doesn't imply a zerg. Now if those 30 team up and smash the 6, then they zerged.
6 is a team, if they coordinate and defeat 30, thats fine. If they 6v2 some guys, then they zerged. Key being superior numbers + coordination. Or even inferior numbers plus coordination against random pugs. But not 6.
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Moltyr✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.
When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
I'm glad you posted this. Unfortunately I don't think I saved my screenshots of you calling me a...what was it again? Anyways, you are upset because you are a "SOLO" player along with the 40 other "SOLO" players around you...and you decided to ATTACK A 14 MAN DRACARYS GROUP.
In what universe do you think that would go unpunished? Not this one. You and other similar rage whisperers all have the same mentality: anything outnumbering you is a zerg, but NOT the 40+ players that you are 10 ft. away from at all times...that apparently isn't a zerg. But "OMG 14 PLAYER ORGANIZED GROUP IS TEH FACTION STACK!!!!"
You fought, you died. Several times. I bet you were on my kill counter over a dozen times easy. It had nothing to do with numbers, since that entire fight the "14 player EP zerg" was outnumbered 3-4 to 1.
This is unfortunately a case of needing to grow up. You are (I assume) an adult rage whispering people cursing at them for beating you with FEWER people and then crying on the forums because you need other zerg surfers to tell you that you're special? Think about your mentality in game tonight, sleep on it. Hopefully you and others can stop being so hypocritical and negative. Just accept defeat and move on. Or, sack up and bring your best 14 players.
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✭When 3-4 players are try-harding you in a 4v1, that's 'small scale bro'. When you later find them, kill them and they're outnumbered, that's you 'zerging' them.
In other words, don't listen to what others are telling you, they're full of BS. Most of them. Kill everything that moves and glows red in Cryodiil, you're there to fight and not play social politics with a bunch of crybabies that never play alone but call others 'zergers' every time they get packed.
I literally get hate tells every 15-20 minutes in Cyrodiil if I'm not in offline mode. Even from people I thought were cool. I think it's hilarious and they give me good laughs, but at the same time it's really sad to see a bunch of people acting like toddlers in a video game.
To give you an example, just the other day I was in a 2v1 by an ex officer from my guild and his friend, they tried and tried to kill me after I was basically just passing by them alone not bothering them, and since it was a bad location (for them) more AD started passing by after few minutes, they got killed and immediately I get cry whispers from one of them 'I had respect for you once dude'. Well booohooo, goodbye and back to the shrine my 'dude'
To me people like that are the real zergers, because they actively organize and try to zerg down solo players who most of the time don't even bother them, but will come back with a vengeance.
So yeah, in the end you should be happy to get called out by players like that, it means you're doing something good. If you see a ballgroup or a train, give them a negate or two when they go offensive, they'll love you for it.Edited by LegendaryMage on September 10, 2018 6:21AM11 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.4
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Moltyr✭✭✭Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
The OP started his conversation with me saying: "You're a p***y." So I agree completely.0 -
Rin_Senya✭✭✭✭The OP literally sits in a faction zerg sending rage whispers -> still getting rekt -> coming to forum QQing about "being zerged" by 14 man after tryharding them with half of his faction. Ok.Edited by Rin_Senya on September 10, 2018 6:51AMAnairi ~ EP | NA | AR50 - Dracarys
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StamWhipCultist✭✭✭✭✭Zerg is every group above 6 players. Some zergs are organised, some are not.Edited by StamWhipCultist on September 10, 2018 7:02AM0
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✭✭✭✭✭Ball groups can both zerg and be zerged down themselves. It’s the context that matters.
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MipMip✭✭✭✭Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Thanks for saying this, couldn't agree more!
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ChildOfLight✭✭✭Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.PC EU
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.
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ChildOfLight✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.
The environment of cyrodiil or PvP in general is inherently toxic, due to it being about killing other players. There's no other way it can end up
From my perspective, it really depends on the kind of human beings you interact with.
My code of conduct is to never ever tbang anyone for any reason but there are organized 12 people groups where 6 people are going to 6v1 you and the other 6 start to tbang you while you're still fighting.PC EU
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »ChildOfLight wrote: »Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.
The environment of cyrodiil or PvP in general is inherently toxic, due to it being about killing other players. There's no other way it can end up
From my perspective, it really depends on the kind of human beings you interact with.
My code of conduct is to never ever tbang anyone for any reason but there are organized 12 people groups where 6 people are going to 6v1 you and the other 6 start to tbang you while you're still fighting.
well, it seems that usually very mean people gravitate towards this game mode and then they are able to act out their true personalities within the game
I either:
A) Fight fire with fire (sometimes)
B ) Block/Ignore
You kinda have to gauge it. The hate tells are just something that can possibly come at any point, sometimes for no real reason. And then you have to respond to it one way or another (not responding IS a response).0 -
MipMip✭✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.
The environment of cyrodiil or PvP in general is inherently toxic, due to it being about killing other players. There's no other way it can end up
I don't understand... why would playing the game (PvP: me killing others, others killing me) inherently lead me to have toxic feelings against fellow ESO players? I play it because I enjoy it and I appreciate it that there are others playing it too, or I wouldn't have allies to play with and opponents to play against.Edited by MipMip on September 10, 2018 11:50AMPC EU ∙ PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Mister_DMC wrote: »Don't get it, the only messages I ever send are "Good fight" after a legitimately entertaining fight. It's like people didn't grow up playing sports, you win some you lose some. Sportsmanship, get some people.
Zos should make popping up this message to everyone porting in Cyro. Maybe we would get a better enviroment.
The environment of cyrodiil or PvP in general is inherently toxic, due to it being about killing other players. There's no other way it can end up
I don't understand... why would playing the game (PvP: me killing others, others killing me) lead me to have toxic feelings against fellow ESO players? I play it because I enjoy it and I appreciate it that there are others playing it too, or I wouldn't have allies to play with and opponents to play against.
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Pastas✭✭✭MetalHead4x4 wrote: »I get a lot of funny tells from these ball zerg groups, basically denying that they are a "zerg". Yet they'll take a group of say 14 people, and attack me by myself. To me, thats a zerg. So when I send them a tell like "Hey here's an idea, take your whole force and attack one guy" and get a reply like "pick your fights". Ok? Other times I hear "You have more people than us, and WE'RE the zerg?" YES. YES YOU ARE. Why? Your tactics. When your whole group charges into a bunch of uncoordinated pugs dropping all your ults, it's a zerg tactic. When you are coordinated and have designated roles for certain people, you're a zerg if you use said tactics. Pugs are not zergs, pugs are not coordinating, pugs skirmish.
When you have a bunch of individual, uncoordinated guys/gals surrounding a zerg ball (using zerg tactics) trying to pick off one or two from the back etc. thats called skirmishing.
skir·mish
noun
1.an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
zerg
1. Zerg is a slang term for a group of low-level gamers who depend on overwhelming numbers to achieve victory, rather than relying on technique or strategy. The term is most often used in the context of online role-playing and strategy games, but it also applies to multiplayer first-person shooters. Gamers essentially team up and agree to attack a specific opponent at the same time. By forming a zerg, the gamers can usually kill an enemy while taking general – but not fatal – damage as a group. This strategy itself is known as zerging.
There's a difference. Don't deny what you are, and don't think because you're surrounded by greater numbers trying to pick off individual guys/gals in your group makes us a zerg. It doesn't. Now, if we gather, coordinate, and zerg you, then yes we are a zerg. But wiping you with a well placed Negate and then killing you individually is not the same as what you do.
You're a ZERG. :P
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Zerg... is you.
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