Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final)

Lumsdenml · September 2018

So, I've been thinking about this and want to know what others think. How do you feel about the state of ESO right now? PVP and PVE. Do you think the overall population is growing, declining, or staying the same? Is it different for PVP and PVE? Why do you think so? I've got my own opinions, but was just wondering how others perceive things. And it is, really, all down to perception. Zen/Bethesda will never release the raw, true data, and they have a vested interest to paint things as best they can, so who really knows?

Stridig · September 2018

I feel like the population is about half of what it was 2 years ago. I started in Cyrodiil basically on day 1 of early release and from what I see, it's all but dead. Sure there are still lots of people that play, but when a faction is pop locked at 50 (or so ) players, that's just a drop in the bucket. In the first 1.5 years of this game you could go to any of the many campaigns and see 2/3 of the keeps burst at any given time. Day or night. Nowadays if you run more than 12 you are a terrabad zerger. We used to be in TS with 3 full raids. And that was just our guild alone. PvE? That's still pretty solid I think. Group finder sucks but there are still lots of quarters about. That's what I see anyway.

Swaye · September 2018

Emily I am heart broken that you flipped. Sweetheart there's nothing that can't be undone.

Mistress I'm right about this ***.

Emily, please come home.

Randirkithdhrosrane · September 2018

Swaye wrote: »

Emily I am heart broken that you flipped. Sweetheart there's nothing that can't be undone.

Mistress I'm right about this ***.

Emily, please come home.

Emily is awesome, I had misjudged her once, then by chance spent time with her in IC when I started my NB's. Selflessly she taught a stranger how to kill things better. I hope she decides to come back.

Stridig · September 2018

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

Lumsdenml · September 2018

Swaye wrote: »

Emily I am heart broken that you flipped. Sweetheart there's nothing that can't be undone.

Mistress I'm right about this ***.

Emily, please come home.

What is this????? What is she playing now???? She could not have left DC... You are trolling.... Must be...

DeadlyRecluse · September 2018

Stridig wrote: »

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

DC #1!

Lumsdenml · September 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

DC #1!

I shouldn't laugh, but that's funny....

gabriebe · September 2018

Yea, pop is down for sure and not just in Kyne. Even Sotha is pretty quiet off-hours, and Shor is nearly always dead save for a few hours at night. Vivec has people all around, but even in that campaign there isn't always an organized group on for each faction.

Midyear Mayhem was pretty fun because all 3 factions were poplocked, but man is it weird that this only happens like once a year now.

Lumsdenml · September 2018

gabriebe wrote: »

Yea, pop is down for sure and not just in Kyne. Even Sotha is pretty quiet off-hours, and Shor is nearly always dead save for a few hours at night. Vivec has people all around, but even in that campaign there isn't always an organized group on for each faction.

Midyear Mayhem was pretty fun because all 3 factions were poplocked, but man is it weird that this only happens like once a year now.

Hey there! We had a couple fights the other day! Good times!

Randirkithdhrosrane · September 2018

Stridig wrote: »

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

Difference between trash players flipping for AP farming, and those who have had issue with other players within a faction. But like most things, people only see what the wish to see.

Wouldn't you agree?

Stridig · September 2018

Lowemoralfiber wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

Difference between trash players flipping for AP farming, and those who have had issue with other players within a faction. But like most things, people only see what the wish to see.

Wouldn't you agree?

Oh I agree. I'd be more than happy to respond to any example of where you think I'd disagree.

MajBludd · September 2018

Good for, Em. Saw her on an ep in IC. On pvp population, @Lumsdenml, you know the answer to that question.

Look at kyne, remember how bwb was? Pvp in under 50 is about dead 75%ish of the time. You get bursts of population on AD or EP.

Then you get factions that dominate and kill the campaign or server with no regards.

Itsnotarealwar · September 2018

Lowemoralfiber wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Glad I'm not the one that did all the trash talking about flip floppers, judging their character and integrity. I'd be looking pretty silly right now.

Difference between trash players flipping for AP farming, and those who have had issue with other players within a faction. But like most things, people only see what the wish to see.

Wouldn't you agree?

Sounds like you're calling dude out for something specific. What is it?

Lumsdenml · September 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

Good for, Em. Saw her on an ep in IC. On pvp population, @Lumsdenml, you know the answer to that question.
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Well, yes from the first time I came into Cyrodiil (summer of 2015), but not sure from a year ago. I'd say over the past year, PVP has been about the same pop. But the game as a whole, I believe, has increased in population.

I agree that Cyrodiil was a more vibrant place when I first entered it, but PVE land was pretty empty when you got into the higher zones (Stormhaven, Ravenspire, etc). And when I started Cadwell's Sliver, I was shocked when I saw ANYBODY! I think that the two big catalysts for population growth have been FTP and One Tamriel.

Assuming I am right, that PVE has increased and PVP decreased, why do you think that is? (again, I have my opinions, but would love to hear everyone's)

MajBludd · September 2018

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

gabriebe · September 2018

Server performance in PvP in unacceptable for a game of this size. Vivec in particular.

No attention has been paid to Cyrodiil in a long, long time. Hopefully next patch changes that.

Slight bit of community criticism, but I think a lot of experienced people have fallen very comfortable with the people they run with and have not done a lot to include newer players.

Buying any motifs with AP would be a great way to incentivize PvP over PvE content. I do PvE once in a while, but spending 2-3 weeks farming the motifs in the new dungeons is just such a grind that I rarely bother to. But lots of people will prioritize this over PvP.

Lumsdenml · September 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

Enkil · September 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

DC #1!

... at PvDoor map zerging taking straw crown from AD....

*golfclap*

I really do miss when DC was bringing balanced fights nightly... the zergers have made DC on Kyne into a total laughing stock...

MajBludd · September 2018

Pvp, decrease for sure.

Enkil · September 2018

Lumsdenml wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

I think pop has increased in spurts and we’ve had small influx of new players but new players are very quickly put off by the rampant toxicity of even their own faction players making fun when they ask for groups, enemy juvenile behavior, teabagging, etc.

I’m constantly wondering “WTF is wrong with other ESO players that they don’t see how their behavior is discouraging to new players”

This is Kyne, the newbie campaign and rather than rolling out the welcome mat, most players grief and 1vX new players relentlessly to the point they quickly develop a negative view of ESO PvP. What the *** is wrong with you all...???

Lumsdenml · September 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

Pvp, decrease for sure.

I was actually asking about entire population... PVE included.

I just ask because some of those reasons you listed would kill all pop, not just pvp (Boredom, New Games, Etc.). I may be wrong in that the pve pop is up and pvp down, but if that is the case, why? But if I am right, that gives hope that it could be fixed.

MajBludd · September 2018

To be honest, I don't think pve population is up. I think it's stayed around the same as last year. Overall, I think the population has declined.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2018

Based on the only objective data we have (and likely the only we'll ever have), population is up slightly from last year, and up dramatically from every year before that.

TBH, it's almost more discomforting that overall population has likely increased while population in PvP has almost certainly decreased.

A very ad hoc conclusion might be that the change away from required sub has reduced the "seriousness" of the playerbase. Coupled with the reduction in time it takes to unlock alliance skills, you have less people PvPing for mandatory skills (and filling campaigns)...

Datthaw · September 2018

Pvp has decreased out of boredom also, vet camps is near impossible to take objectives, or pvdoor. We can only circle jerk at the Emp keeps for so long

gabriebe · September 2018

Other thing rarely mentioned is there is a good chunk of PvP happening in battlegrounds now.

Oh and if you think playing in Kyne is like clubbing baby seals... wait til you do the under 50s BGs. It truly does feel unfair.

Itsnotarealwar · September 2018

Enkil wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

I think pop has increased in spurts and we’ve had small influx of new players but new players are very quickly put off by the rampant toxicity of even their own faction players making fun when they ask for groups, enemy juvenile behavior, teabagging, etc.

I’m constantly wondering “WTF is wrong with other ESO players that they don’t see how their behavior is discouraging to new players”

This is Kyne, the newbie campaign and rather than rolling out the welcome mat, most players grief and 1vX new players relentlessly to the point they quickly develop a negative view of ESO PvP. What The *** is wrong with you all...???

I've been down this road. What I quickly learned was that the forums are not the place for new players to address those concerns. I was given excuses, trash talked and inundated with stupid memes.

Enkil · September 2018

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

I think pop has increased in spurts and we’ve had small influx of new players but new players are very quickly put off by the rampant toxicity of even their own faction players making fun when they ask for groups, enemy juvenile behavior, teabagging, etc.

I’m constantly wondering “WTF is wrong with other ESO players that they don’t see how their behavior is discouraging to new players”

This is Kyne, the newbie campaign and rather than rolling out the welcome mat, most players grief and 1vX new players relentlessly to the point they quickly develop a negative view of ESO PvP. What The *** is wrong with you all...???

I've been down this road. What I quickly learned was that the forums are not the place for new players to address those concerns. I was given excuses, trash talked and inundated with stupid memes.

I’m not sure I follow. I am not a new player. Memes and trash talk cannot mask the fact that the behavior of Kyne players is the biggest factor in the low pop levels and overall negative appeal of the campaign.

New players may not post here, but the regulars can’t pretend to be oblivious as to what their relentlesss zerging and constant negative behavior brings about. Why would people keep logging into a map to be zerged at every possible fight??

To feed some lametards AP? No Thanks!

DeadlyRecluse · September 2018

Enkil wrote: »

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

I think pop has increased in spurts and we’ve had small influx of new players but new players are very quickly put off by the rampant toxicity of even their own faction players making fun when they ask for groups, enemy juvenile behavior, teabagging, etc.

I’m constantly wondering “WTF is wrong with other ESO players that they don’t see how their behavior is discouraging to new players”

This is Kyne, the newbie campaign and rather than rolling out the welcome mat, most players grief and 1vX new players relentlessly to the point they quickly develop a negative view of ESO PvP. What The *** is wrong with you all...???

I've been down this road. What I quickly learned was that the forums are not the place for new players to address those concerns. I was given excuses, trash talked and inundated with stupid memes.

I’m not sure I follow. I am not a new player. Memes and trash talk cannot mask the fact that the behavior of Kyne players is the biggest factor in the low pop levels and overall negative appeal of the campaign.

New players may not post here, but the regulars can’t pretend to be oblivious as to what their relentlesss zerging and constant negative behavior brings about. Why would people keep logging into a map to be zerged at every possible fight.

Oh, they absolutely can.

Stridig · September 2018

Enkil wrote: »

Itsnotarealwar wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Several reasons I'd say,
Game performance
What ppl perceive as class imbalance.
Boredom
New games, etc.

The things that kill every game that has come along.

Every good thing comes to an end at some point.

Do you think the overall population has increased or decreased?

I think pop has increased in spurts and we’ve had small influx of new players but new players are very quickly put off by the rampant toxicity of even their own faction players making fun when they ask for groups, enemy juvenile behavior, teabagging, etc.

I’m constantly wondering “WTF is wrong with other ESO players that they don’t see how their behavior is discouraging to new players”

This is Kyne, the newbie campaign and rather than rolling out the welcome mat, most players grief and 1vX new players relentlessly to the point they quickly develop a negative view of ESO PvP. What The *** is wrong with you all...???

I've been down this road. What I quickly learned was that the forums are not the place for new players to address those concerns. I was given excuses, trash talked and inundated with stupid memes.

I’m not sure I follow. I am not a new player. Memes and trash talk cannot mask the fact that the behavior of Kyne players is the biggest factor in the low pop levels and overall negative appeal of the campaign.

New players may not post here, but the regulars can’t pretend to be oblivious as to what their relentlesss zerging and constant negative behavior brings about. Why would people keep logging into a map to be zerged at every possible fight??

To feed some lametards AP? No Thanks!

I think he was saying thesame thing you are. He chose to come here when he first started ( I advised against this ) because he knew the responsible parties frequented the forums. He was met with the same mob mentality as is in Cyrodiil.