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Console Players; Do you feel valued as a customer?
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
Long time Elder scrolls player: Xbox launch morrowind.
Follower of the dawn and dusk, keeper of the moon and star.3 -
blunned✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
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✭I feel less and less valued as a console customer as time goes on. I know resources are limited, but it’s hard to justify so many of the quality of life issues that are fixed by add-ons on PC but console users are stuck with baffling UI decisions and a general lack of functionality (searching guild trader, mini-map, inability to switch between pve and pvp builds without spending tons of time, lack of customizable buff/dot trackers, etc. the list goes on and on).
Now, with the update completely breaking HDR on consoles right after I upgraded to an Xbox one x and 4K tv for the sole reason of playing in 4K and literally 0 communication since the initial “we are looking into it” 7 days ago, I’m thinking about taking my hard earned money elsewhere for gaming. I initially left Destiny 2 for ESO because I (and most people in general) didn’t like the path the game was taking and the response from Bungie was subpar. Bungie got into gear, went to work, and created a game people are starting to love again. The communication with their fan-base became exemplary and they really have turned it around. ESO, at its core, is an extremely fun game and isn’t remotely flawed like Destiny 2 was initially. Over time however many of these glaringly poor UI/functionality issues, bugs, HDR breaking, etc. weigh on me significantly. A simple stream of communication would help assuage this weight significantly.
I don’t need everything fixed right away, I still love this game and understand resources are limited (although you wouldn’t know it looking at how frequently the crown store is updated and the attention it gets). What I do want is to know these concerns are actively being looked into and the company is working toward a change. Even knowing they don’t think something is an issue and will never fix it would be much better than the deafening silence we currently get. People are reasonable in the face of information (even if it’s to tell them their needs will not be met), but no one responds well to being ignored. ZoS should learn a thing or two (or twelve) from Bungie if they want this game to continue to be as popular as it has been.
The 4K aspect is not broken...the HDR compatibility is...4K and HDR are 2 different entities...If you turn off HDR on Xbox then you can still play in 4K until they get the HDR thing figured out...seems slightly unreasonable to quit the game when the "sole" reason you upgraded your setup was to play ESO in 4K/HDR...0 -
happyhughes2001✭✭✭✭As a console gamer I don’t feel valued at all. I love the game but the lack of communication irks me the most. The most recent issue with the broken HDR has really annoyed me. There is loads of UI issues also, but appears there is no will from the devs to fix these issues. It may just seem this way, but as others have said the focus on the crown store seems to get the majority of the attention.2
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I do not agree with what you are focusing it on. I could be wrong here so feel free to correct me here, but those add ons you speak of aren't "official" add ons. Console players are given more or less the same whistles and bells from ZoS that PC gamers are given. PC only have those add ons because 3rd parties provide them. You're making out that ZoS have given PC players those add ons. Or at least, that's how it reads.
You don't need me to tell you how difficult it is for devs to get unofficial mods etc through both Sony and MS. It's a well established fact. Bethesda had to jump through hoops to get mods on both consoles (PS4 is still semi restricted) for their large AAA RPG's and i suspect they don't want the added ballache having to do it all over again with a game that probably is a lot further down on their priority list than Skyrim and FO. Put simply, the PC platform is an open platform, whereas consoles are closed platforms.
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Jinchuu✭✭✭✭AnonomissX wrote: »
And I just love it when the off the cuff answer in the forums for an issue is to download a mod or add on or some such..sure buddy, on an Xbox One NA server. Getting right on that.
Xbox supports mods, it's up to the devs to allow them to be added. Bethesda did it for FO4 (and theyw ere the only thing that made that godawfull game somewhat playable) so I have no idea why they haven't done it for this.
Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.0 -
DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭I don't feel valued as an ESO customer let alone as a console player....
ZOS doesn't seem to care much about QOL because in every PTS when someone says "Hey ZOS, this is a bit tedious, you may want to rethink the design." Someone immediately replies with; "Don't worry, I'm already making an add-on for it." Leaving us console players to get the tedious crap again.
Yes I know people play PC without add-ons, that is your choice. Console players would really like some love though because there are too many time sinks in this game that are completely unnecessary and tedious.
If this was year one release, I could understand. We are over 4 years after console release now and we've been asking for a lot of this stuff since that first year. You did a couple things we asked for (half heartedly though it was) and you really need to continue improving upon your base game and stop focusing so much on your cash. That will come if people enjoy the game they're playing.
I have a list 10 miles long of things I have issues with and would like to see changed. That's just the list for QOL improvements though.....1 -
GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭No, the UI and QoL features it should have or have been implemented by now just aren't there and it doesn't look like they care to do anything to work on that.1
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DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭I don’t know where you get your numbers about 2/3 the playerbase.
@reprosal
He got those numbers from ZOS. They said that their player base is about even across all platforms. So if there are 3 platforms with an even player base on each, that is 2/3 of the player population on consoles.Edited by DeadlyPhoenix on September 4, 2018 6:07PM0 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.Edited by Malacthulhu on September 4, 2018 6:21PMXbox One Na0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I do not agree with what you are focusing it on. I could be wrong here so feel free to correct me here, but those add ons you speak of aren't "official" add ons. Console players are given more or less the same whistles and bells from ZoS that PC gamers are given. PC only have those add ons because 3rd parties provide them. You're making out that ZoS have given PC players those add ons. Or at least, that's how it reads.
You don't need me to tell you how difficult it is for devs to get unofficial mods etc through both Sony and MS. It's a well established fact. Bethesda had to jump through hoops to get mods on both consoles (PS4 is still semi restricted) for their large AAA RPG's and i suspect they don't want the added ballache having to do it all over again with a game that probably is a lot further down on their priority list than Skyrim and FO. Put simply, the PC platform is an open platform, whereas consoles are closed platforms.
Pretty much this. We in console land get the same game as the PC players, so if we're ignored so are they. Add-ons are a different thing entirely. Would I like them? Sure. Is it ZOS's fault I can't get them? No. Should ZOS be looking at popular add-ons and continuously improving their base UI to bring those features to us? Yes, but they won't, at least not very quickly.
We got buff trackers...and then nothing.0 -
OFFL1MIT✭✭✭PC users experiencing bugs too, maybe not much as consoles but still. I played from beta and stopped before morrowind cameout , stopped because of not caring for bugs and glitches, came back 2 monts ago and those same glitches and bugs still there + more. So it's not just consoles feel not valued but the whole eso comunity.0 -
Grayfax✭✭✭I avoided ESO for a long time and only recently bought my wife an Xbox One (we are slow adopters). It isn't an Xbox One X, just the regular thing. As for my history in gaming, I started on a Commodore 64 with Space Invaders (on cassette tape) and have played EverQuest, EQII, EVE Online, Warcraft, GW1 & 2, Rift and many others. I understand MMOs, but a few years ago, I grew tired of the scene and the limited options I had in Warcraft... when the changes happened pre-Legion happened, and I logged in and couldn't even figure out how to play my Hunter (again), I had enough and figured I had closed out that part of my life's journey. My nostalgia is strong on many of these games, but I'm mainly a solo player because of my varying and odd time slots for playing.
Secondly, I enjoy exploring a game. I miss the days where we leveled up weapon skills in MMOs. I miss the times of taking out a pet and picking up a new pet to learn new abilities to train my favorite pets (and knowing which ones you could get and where you had to go) and then leveling that ability up as well. Frankly, I LIKE complicated games and usually game mechanics. It is one of the reasons I own Kingdom Death: Monster, because there is no more complicated game made to date that I am aware of that can be "enjoyed" by a party or solo.
Thirdly, I began to paint miniatures and dive deep into gaming podcasts. It was a good time and reset many of my problems with gaming. I then wandered for a time and was lost to the world.
So... when I say I am actually enjoying ESO sitting on a couch, or chair, or rocker or wherever I am that is not chained to a desk, that is a good thing. People mention problems and compare it to the PC version, and I don't care for that. I mean, if I want a Diablo III fix, I am playing on PC, because the spinning wheel of inventory drives me crazy on the console. I don't have anything that is a deal breaker on the console for me. Sure, sometimes the loading screens remind me of zoning in EQ, but overall, I think the PC people have that worse currently, so I'm all good.
I enjoy the variety and the nostalgia of this game. My wife doesn't have Summerset yet, and she created a new character during the Free Weekend, and when she got off the boat, I had her stop and look around cause I was overlaying the new with my memories of Morrowind (and I should know, I created at least 50 new characters in that game).
Mostly I see this game as a solo player with options for friends. Interestingly enough, I've actually grouped with some of my friends on this game, which is very unusual for me as timing conflicts are notorious for me. We don't have to go do something complicated... we go close time breaches and pick up sky shards and have a blast doing it.
I've been able to join a roleplaying guild. Is the interface the greatest for this? Nope. Is it better than the social interface of Space Invaders? Yep. Basic text and voice chat work great on console. Sending messages or finding guilds takes some work on the person behind the account's part. It's not a dealbreaker or make me want to get on a PC. It is just the way it is. Heck, to be honest, I can plug in headphones and move anywhere in the living room I want and be able to play. I can carry my wireless keyboard with me. I can even HDMI to my monitor and put in on a TV tray and sit beside my wife while she watches her current favorite scary movie on the big screen.
Am I concerned that I don't get 12 add-ons that PC users are able to use? Nope, because I also don't have to update them constantly and when something breaks spend hours trying to fix it. Do I need some kind of screaming graphics processor to login and explore new content? Nope. Will there be times where something is laggy or I get rubberbanded a few times? Sure... and it happens in areas where it hasn't previously. You know what? It's happening to everyone in that area at the same time. I've been through Betas. I've been through resets.
So, you know, in the end, am I worried that they aren't putting out a great product for a console? Nope. I'm glad they are putting out something that I can play years after it first came, that allows me to play the way I want and in the hour slots that I have to give. I'm glad they are producing content on such an epic scale and that we don't wait six months for it to be ported to console. Are there going to be problems? You bet. Always are. Are they aware of the problems? Yep. Do they fix some of them? Sure they do. Can they easily fix massive scaling problems? Very very few companies can, and in the timeframe that most players expect? Impossible. I'll be content to keep working my way around the very large map with all kinds of characters as they continue to release new content. I'm hoping I go through 3-4 headsets and 5-6 controllers before I grow tired of this game and have experienced all of Tamriel that I want to experience.d
~TL:DR? Enjoying playing on a Console for a lot of reasons.1 -
Grayfax✭✭✭DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »ZOS doesn't seem to care much about QOL because in every PTS when someone says "Hey ZOS, this is a bit tedious, you may want to rethink the design." Someone immediately replies with; "Don't worry, I'm already making an add-on for it." Leaving us console players to get the tedious crap again.
Sorry you feel that way. When I think of Tedious, though, I remember crafting arrows in Kelethin on EverQuest. You would take a point piece, a shaft, a fletching and a nock and combine them in a kit, and it would make a single arrow. Yep. Click-drag each of the pieces into the kit and click the combine button. Over and over and over and over again. You could easily expect to spend 4-6 hours per week in-game crafting arrows for a ranged character.
I haven't found anything that tedious, or carpal tunnel inducing in ESO, but YMMV.
Edited by Grayfax on September 4, 2018 6:38PM0 -
Jake1576✭✭✭✭✭Well, let's see. Elder Scrolls Online is, to my knowledge, the first MMORPG to come out on consoles. It remains, in my opinion, the only MMORPG worth playing on consoles as well. The developers didn't have to attempt to release this game on console at all. They were pioneers in bringing this type of game to my fingertips. On top of that, they've continued to support the game on console and incrementally bring quality of life improvements to the game.
My gripes are few and far between.
dcuo was out on console four years before eso0 -
blunned✭✭✭I feel less and less valued as a console customer as time goes on. I know resources are limited, but it’s hard to justify so many of the quality of life issues that are fixed by add-ons on PC but console users are stuck with baffling UI decisions and a general lack of functionality (searching guild trader, mini-map, inability to switch between pve and pvp builds without spending tons of time, lack of customizable buff/dot trackers, etc. the list goes on and on).
Now, with the update completely breaking HDR on consoles right after I upgraded to an Xbox one x and 4K tv for the sole reason of playing in 4K and literally 0 communication since the initial “we are looking into it” 7 days ago, I’m thinking about taking my hard earned money elsewhere for gaming. I initially left Destiny 2 for ESO because I (and most people in general) didn’t like the path the game was taking and the response from Bungie was subpar. Bungie got into gear, went to work, and created a game people are starting to love again. The communication with their fan-base became exemplary and they really have turned it around. ESO, at its core, is an extremely fun game and isn’t remotely flawed like Destiny 2 was initially. Over time however many of these glaringly poor UI/functionality issues, bugs, HDR breaking, etc. weigh on me significantly. A simple stream of communication would help assuage this weight significantly.
I don’t need everything fixed right away, I still love this game and understand resources are limited (although you wouldn’t know it looking at how frequently the crown store is updated and the attention it gets). What I do want is to know these concerns are actively being looked into and the company is working toward a change. Even knowing they don’t think something is an issue and will never fix it would be much better than the deafening silence we currently get. People are reasonable in the face of information (even if it’s to tell them their needs will not be met), but no one responds well to being ignored. ZoS should learn a thing or two (or twelve) from Bungie if they want this game to continue to be as popular as it has been.
The 4K aspect is not broken...the HDR compatibility is...4K and HDR are 2 different entities...If you turn off HDR on Xbox then you can still play in 4K until they get the HDR thing figured out...seems slightly unreasonable to quit the game when the "sole" reason you upgraded your setup was to play ESO in 4K/HDR...
I misspoke and understand the difference between HDR and 4k. The point is that it’s broken and in its current form is not functioning as it should be. While ESO was the sole purpose I upgraded, I could find many other titles that would fill that void. Obviously (if you read my post) the HDR issue alone is not what would lead me to quit. I understand mistakes happen. It’s the significant lack of attention to the console experience and severe lack of communication (as laid out in my post) that would make me move on. I’m not saying 4K and the Xbox one x were bad investments because they are great. I would just prefer to actually use them appropriately since ESO is the only game I currently play.
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✭well a pc port to console is always gonna have worse off issues much like porting console to pc. itll become a dumpster fire and will slowly come back in line.0 -
blunned✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I do not agree with what you are focusing it on. I could be wrong here so feel free to correct me here, but those add ons you speak of aren't "official" add ons. Console players are given more or less the same whistles and bells from ZoS that PC gamers are given. PC only have those add ons because 3rd parties provide them. You're making out that ZoS have given PC players those add ons. Or at least, that's how it reads.
You don't need me to tell you how difficult it is for devs to get unofficial mods etc through both Sony and MS. It's a well established fact. Bethesda had to jump through hoops to get mods on both consoles (PS4 is still semi restricted) for their large AAA RPG's and i suspect they don't want the added ballache having to do it all over again with a game that probably is a lot further down on their priority list than Skyrim and FO. Put simply, the PC platform is an open platform, whereas consoles are closed platforms.
You are definitely right and I didn’t mean for it to read that way. I assumed everyone reading my post knew PC mods were an extra entity and not created by ZoS. I argue, however, that if the initial UI is so severely lacking that the majority of avid ESO players use them (guild trader add-on for search function, mini-map, combat metrics to actually see when your buffs and debuffs fall off instead of staring st 100 tiny boxes across the bottom of the screen, etc.), then ZoS should have built that functionality into the base game. I am not arguing they should allow add-ons because I’m sure that road is difficult as you laid out. The difference is they can rest on their laurels because their glaring omissions in UI functionality are covered up on PC because people can download add-ons to fix said deficiencies. Console users cannot do that and are stuck with the insufficient base game functionality. I am arguing that ZoS should take the most commonly used add-one and build in similar functionality to the base game so everyone gets them. At the very least, do it with the most obvious ones (text search for guild trader, mini-map, etc.) that should have been present in the base game to begin with.
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Jake1576✭✭✭✭✭Only reason i don't feel valued as a customer is cause the attention they show console players is crap. we are second rate to them new content takes way longer for console players to get. fixes for bugs don't get fixed as fast on console. they have excuses why that is when all they are doing is telling a lie. i played dcuo and they fixed the game the same day it has a bug or within a few days on console. not like zos that takes month's to get a fix out to us. now if dcuo can fix their game so fast why can't eso do the same. not to mention bot's are out of control on ps4. i've reported them for years now and they are still there nothing gets done about cheating of bots hardly. the bot's was at the same location on pc they had a game master login and take care of them on pc. but console nope game masters don't even exist on console i don't think. then twitch drops they are only for pc players like wth man. the list just goes on and on as to why i don't feel like a valued customer on console. i haven't spent money on this game in almost a year and i won't either until they show console players a little more attention and show we matter. cause in my eyes we don't to them we are just money they don't care about are gaming experience if it is pleasant or not as long as they continue to make money.Edited by Jake1576 on September 4, 2018 7:22PM1
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blunned✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I do not agree with what you are focusing it on. I could be wrong here so feel free to correct me here, but those add ons you speak of aren't "official" add ons. Console players are given more or less the same whistles and bells from ZoS that PC gamers are given. PC only have those add ons because 3rd parties provide them. You're making out that ZoS have given PC players those add ons. Or at least, that's how it reads.
You don't need me to tell you how difficult it is for devs to get unofficial mods etc through both Sony and MS. It's a well established fact. Bethesda had to jump through hoops to get mods on both consoles (PS4 is still semi restricted) for their large AAA RPG's and i suspect they don't want the added ballache having to do it all over again with a game that probably is a lot further down on their priority list than Skyrim and FO. Put simply, the PC platform is an open platform, whereas consoles are closed platforms.
Pretty much this. We in console land get the same game as the PC players, so if we're ignored so are they. Add-ons are a different thing entirely. Would I like them? Sure. Is it ZOS's fault I can't get them? No. Should ZOS be looking at popular add-ons and continuously improving their base UI to bring those features to us? Yes, but they won't, at least not very quickly.
We got buff trackers...and then nothing.
The buff tracker UI is a joke and completely worthless (especially on magblade). It should have been completely customizable from the get-go and not just a splattering of information along the bottom of the screen. I don’t even use it but I would absolutely use it if it could let me pick which ones I wanted to see. It is laughable in its current form.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
and?
I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
I could possibly agree with you with skyshards and lorebooks, but how do you explain the lack of a search function in the guild trader and the lack of the option to include a minimap? These are basic quality of life functions that have been in MMO’s for years without many people complaining about their presence. I don’t care about add-ons, but if they aren’t going to allow them they have to fix some of the absolutely ridiculous design decisions that no one asked for.
Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I do not agree with what you are focusing it on. I could be wrong here so feel free to correct me here, but those add ons you speak of aren't "official" add ons. Console players are given more or less the same whistles and bells from ZoS that PC gamers are given. PC only have those add ons because 3rd parties provide them. You're making out that ZoS have given PC players those add ons. Or at least, that's how it reads.
You don't need me to tell you how difficult it is for devs to get unofficial mods etc through both Sony and MS. It's a well established fact. Bethesda had to jump through hoops to get mods on both consoles (PS4 is still semi restricted) for their large AAA RPG's and i suspect they don't want the added ballache having to do it all over again with a game that probably is a lot further down on their priority list than Skyrim and FO. Put simply, the PC platform is an open platform, whereas consoles are closed platforms.
Pretty much this. We in console land get the same game as the PC players, so if we're ignored so are they. Add-ons are a different thing entirely. Would I like them? Sure. Is it ZOS's fault I can't get them? No. Should ZOS be looking at popular add-ons and continuously improving their base UI to bring those features to us? Yes, but they won't, at least not very quickly.
We got buff trackers...and then nothing.
The buff tracker UI is a joke and completely worthless (especially on magblade). It should have been completely customizable from the get-go and not just a splattering of information along the bottom of the screen. I don’t even use it but I would absolutely use it if it could let me pick which ones I wanted to see. It is laughable in its current form.
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West1389✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »All console players pay $5 per month just to get to the login screen.
PlayStation plus and Xbox gold both cost $60 per year just to get to the base game with the base guild trader interface and no access to combat metrics or dressing room or minimaps or sky shard arrows etc.
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I personally don't need those bells and whistles. ^^;; the skyshards are not hard to find all all tbh.
its not about how hard they are to find, its about not pulling up phone, printing out papers, or anything console players do. The PC addon makes life so easy its crazy. Has all lore books, and shards marked, even in the delves.
ok and? i find everything just fine w/o googling it. you got 1) a beam of light you can see pretty clarely. and 2) books back a blue aura. kinda hard to miss both.
i'm not a fan of addons that dumb down games.
Ok and....... I can do the same its not just your game is? Should we just do what you want and be done with it? Im guessing players have the right to have opinions, how would having shards on map hurt you?
Maybe we should take the light off the shards make it harder, or how about nothing gets added to game. Wait what about if we took it back to launch status, that could work.
I dont get it when someone has a suggestion people like you need to shut them done. There are plenty of things that the add ons help with the game. Are you against the text search for guild traders? That would make it easier for you, but prob already to easy now.
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✭I quit playing ESO on console. I did have the itch though so I tried it on PC again. For some reason it finally clicked. Maybe I was lucky and everything was working for me on PvE that wasn't on console. So now I am heavily invested on PC now. Shame I can't use all the stuff I bought on Xbox One.
I did try this weekend to go back on Xbox One, and it was tough. No mini map, was a HUGE turn off for me.
I do hope the consoles get better. I can't understand why the PC and consoles don't get the quality of life improvements that the add ons do.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
CyberSkooma✭✭✭✭✭Malacthulhu wrote: »Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.
What are you even trying to say here? That you wouldn't even play MMO's on PC? that logic is so broken lol.I play this game a little bit I guess1 -
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✭✭✭✭CyberSkooma wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.
What are you even trying to say here? That you wouldn't even play MMO's on PC? that logic is so broken lol.
He's saying that ESO is a thing on console due to a lack of competition. If he were a PC player he wouldn't play ESO because there's other MMOs on that platform that he would probably prefer.2 -
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The 4K aspect is not broken...the HDR compatibility is...4K and HDR are 2 different entities...If you turn off HDR on Xbox then you can still play in 4K until they get the HDR thing figured out...seems slightly unreasonable to quit the game when the "sole" reason you upgraded your setup was to play ESO in 4K/HDR...
it might say it’s 4k, but it’s definitely not looking like 4k. It looks no different to the 1080p setting in terms of crispness or anything else. The game looks exactly the same on my PS4 and HD tv as it does on my PS4 pro and my 4k tv. Before the “update” the difference was night and day.1 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭CyberSkooma wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.
What are you even trying to say here? That you wouldn't even play MMO's on PC? that logic is so broken lol.
He's saying that ESO is a thing on console due to a lack of competition. If he were a PC player he wouldn't play ESO because there's other MMOs on that platform that he would probably prefer.
Thanks Daus, people lacking logic often think it is broken in others. Things will not change quick with a lack of competition on consoles, as far as other mmos go. This is why I always laugh at the posts titled "will this single player game end eso" etc. My preference on pc would be, not eso if chooising an mmo lol. I hope that helped clear it up a bit too lol.
CyberSkooma thanks for being assertive in expressing your inability to understand my post. I do post stuff that does not make sense, sometimes lol.Edited by Malacthulhu on September 4, 2018 8:18PMXbox One Na1 -
CyberSkooma✭✭✭✭✭Malacthulhu wrote: »CyberSkooma wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.
What are you even trying to say here? That you wouldn't even play MMO's on PC? that logic is so broken lol.
He's saying that ESO is a thing on console due to a lack of competition. If he were a PC player he wouldn't play ESO because there's other MMOs on that platform that he would probably prefer.
Thanks Daus, people lacking logic often think it is broken in others. Things will not change quick with a lack of competition on consoles, as far as other mmos go. This is why I always laugh at the posts titled "will this single player game end eso" etc. My preference on pc would be, not eso if chooising an mmo lol. I hope that helped clear it up a bit too lol.
CyberSkooma thanks for being assertive in expressing your inability to understand my post. I do post stuff that does not make sense, sometimes lol.
I was genuinely confused with what you were trying to say. I didn't want to come off as an ***.
"I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter" was a confusing way to word it. SorryI play this game a little bit I guess2 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭CyberSkooma wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »CyberSkooma wrote: »Malacthulhu wrote: »Honestly, if I was strictly a pc gamer I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter, hard to say just feel there is less competition on console for them.
What are you even trying to say here? That you wouldn't even play MMO's on PC? that logic is so broken lol.
He's saying that ESO is a thing on console due to a lack of competition. If he were a PC player he wouldn't play ESO because there's other MMOs on that platform that he would probably prefer.
Thanks Daus, people lacking logic often think it is broken in others. Things will not change quick with a lack of competition on consoles, as far as other mmos go. This is why I always laugh at the posts titled "will this single player game end eso" etc. My preference on pc would be, not eso if chooising an mmo lol. I hope that helped clear it up a bit too lol.
CyberSkooma thanks for being assertive in expressing your inability to understand my post. I do post stuff that does not make sense, sometimes lol.
I was genuinely confused with what you were trying to say. I didn't want to come off as an ***.
"I would never even consider getting or playing eso or an mmo for that matter" was a confusing way to word it. Sorry
Its all good, made me laugh, maybe I worded it bad. No apology needed.Xbox One Na0 -
CaininiteSoul ShrivenIt bothers me that Xbox doesn't get the 6 month subscription option for a cheaper monthly price like PC and PS4 does. Probably a Microsoft issue but I'm sure something could be done if they tried.3