Vote kicked

Jayman1000 · September 2018

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Hang on ... So your a tank went to run a normal dungeon with low end player , then proceed to speed run towards the boss WHILE leaving the the low end players behind and to deal with mobs and to die ? no wonder why they kicked you , you were been selfish, its tanks responsibility to group up mobs so DPS can kill them instead you just ran away.

Im always a DPS and if im ever running normal first thing i ask if they are ok with speed run if they say yes i proceed to kill everything to make it easy for the low end cp player and never leave them behind. Unbelievable....

eh no. I pulled all the mobs in the path, those mobs where all following me. They choose to stay back and engage trashmobs off the path for whatever reason, I will never know. Maybe they thought that the ZOS commands that all mobs be cleared in dungeons, "or else...."

John_Falstaff · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

eh no. I pulled all the mobs in the path, those mobs where all following me. They choose to stay back and engage trashmobs off the path for whatever reason, I will never know. Maybe they thought that the ZOS commands that all mobs be cleared in dungeons, "or else...."

You just never been on receiving end of what you're doing and don't know how it works, don't you? ^^ The fact you pulled the mobs doesn't mean they all went after you. No such thing as AoE taunt in ESO. Mobs focus the group, and I've witnessed many times how somebody runs forward, and from the direction where they ran - oops! - pours a wave of mobs that, following some internal logic, switched their focus to the rest of the group, maybe because they're closer. So no, you didn't pull the mobs. You made them all run to your group and attack them. They did the right thing to kick you.

kargen27 · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Hang on ... So your a tank went to run a normal dungeon with low end player , then proceed to speed run towards the boss WHILE leaving the the low end players behind and to deal with mobs and to die ? no wonder why they kicked you , you were been selfish, its tanks responsibility to group up mobs so DPS can kill them instead you just ran away.

Im always a DPS and if im ever running normal first thing i ask if they are ok with speed run if they say yes i proceed to kill everything to make it easy for the low end cp player and never leave them behind. Unbelievable....

eh no. I pulled all the mobs in the path, those mobs where all following me. They choose to stay back and engage trashmobs off the path for whatever reason, I will never know. Maybe they thought that the ZOS commands that all mobs be cleared in dungeons, "or else...."

Maybe they thought " hey a bit extra XP right here just waiting to be taken..." If you are leveling a character is makes sense to clear the entire dungeon. Doesn't take much longer and there is no extra reward for getting done quicker.

The same players that complain about pugs not following along in speed mode for normal runs are the ones that will complain about players not knowing the mechanics or their rotations in a vet run. Turns out the problem is you running them through normal in a hurry instead of spending some time with them. But yeah your time is precious and theirs isn't.

max_only · September 2018

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why is this post worthy??

Whoso pulleth out this bait...

Yeah I’m a tank too, I also try to skip mob groups if possible, here’s the thing: just because I made it past a group of mobs doesn’t mean the 16k health squishy caster is going to make it. You are their mighty shield! You need to turn back and be sure they are with you, not getting plinked at from some stray archer mob that will follow the squishy for 500 miles.

Grimm13 · September 2018

It's not them, it's you.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

eh no. I pulled all the mobs in the path, those mobs where all following me. They choose to stay back and engage trashmobs off the path for whatever reason, I will never know. Maybe they thought that the ZOS commands that all mobs be cleared in dungeons, "or else...."

You just never been on receiving end of what you're doing and don't know how it works, don't you? ^^ The fact you pulled the mobs doesn't mean they all went after you. No such thing as AoE taunt in ESO. Mobs focus the group, and I've witnessed many times how somebody runs forward, and from the direction where they ran - oops! - pours a wave of mobs that, following some internal logic, switched their focus to the rest of the group, maybe because they're closer. So no, you didn't pull the mobs. You made them all run to your group and attack them. They did the right thing to kick you.

Some of the mobs do not follow me that is correct. But most of them do. If they can't handle the few mobs going back after them that's just hilarious. But as I said, that wasnt the problem. They chose to go after mob groups that were OFF the path. Why would they do that? who knows, I asked them, but got no reply.

But even so, this is just normal dungeons, a few mobs are easy to kill and survive; hell even full groups are a non-issue. Unless you are heavily under geared, wearing wrong gear and/or you simply do not know what you are doing. In that case maybe it's best not to engage in group content before you at least learn the basics about how to play. im not even a very op player, maybe you thought I were, but im not. Normal dungeons are just that easy, so it's mindboggling how this can even be an issue.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · September 2018

You certainly don't sound like anyone I would wish to group with. The tone of this whole post paints you in a very unflattering light, imo. Your attitude, sense of self importance, and apparent disregard for other's time is borderline appalling. You do seem to need attention, though. So enjoy it.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

Grimm13 wrote: »

It's not them, it's you.

it's not you, it's them.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

You certainly don't sound like anyone I would wish to group with. The tone of this whole post paints you in a very unflattering light, imo. Your attitude, sense of self importance, and apparent disregard for other's time is borderline appalling. You do seem to need attention, though. So enjoy it.

Thank you for participating in this here thread, your friendly and lighthearted input is both valued and much enjoyed. Fare thee well on yer travels, friend.

ForsakenSin · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

eh no. I pulled all the mobs in the path, those mobs where all following me. They choose to stay back and engage trashmobs off the path for whatever reason, I will never know. Maybe they thought that the ZOS commands that all mobs be cleared in dungeons, "or else...."

You just never been on receiving end of what you're doing and don't know how it works, don't you? ^^ The fact you pulled the mobs doesn't mean they all went after you. No such thing as AoE taunt in ESO. Mobs focus the group, and I've witnessed many times how somebody runs forward, and from the direction where they ran - oops! - pours a wave of mobs that, following some internal logic, switched their focus to the rest of the group, maybe because they're closer. So no, you didn't pull the mobs. You made them all run to your group and attack them. They did the right thing to kick you.

Some of the mobs do not follow me that is correct. But most of them do. If they can't handle the few mobs going back after them that's just hilarious. But as I said, that wasnt the problem. They chose to go after mob groups that were OFF the path. Why would they do that? who knows, I asked them, but got no reply.

But even so, this is just normal dungeons, a few mobs are easy to kill and survive; hell even full groups are a non-issue. Unless you are heavily under geared, wearing wrong gear and/or you simply do not know what you are doing. In that case maybe it's best not to engage in group content before you at least learn the basics about how to play. im not even a very op player, maybe you thought I were, but im not. Normal dungeons are just that easy, so it's mindboggling how this can even be an issue.

My God i don't even know where to begin...

Has it ever occurred to you that they were new players ? has it occurred to you that maybe they never done that dungeon and they wanted to explore it and see what is around that path ect? NOT everyone has done the same thing 10000 times for some this is the first time they play this, and i know me personally i wanted to explore everything for the off chance i might find something new and also to emerge my self in the game and be taken in with the atmosphere of the place.

"If they can't handle the few mobs going back after them that's just hilarious" unbelievable that you find funny how low end new players are dying to the mob that is scaled to their level because you as tank has run off (face palm).

None of Us knew what we were doing when starting this game the mistakes ive done were laughable but at the time it was awesome because you are figuring things our on your own.

And the audacity to say "In that case maybe it's best not to engage in group content before you at least learn the basics about how to play." i do not even have words to say... . all i can think of "In YOUR case it's best not to engage in group content before you at least learn how to have some respect and be humble towards others and get off you high horse "

Jayman1000 · September 2018

max_only wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why is this post worthy??

Whoso pulleth out this bait...

Yeah I’m a tank top, I also try to skip mob groups if possible, here’s the thing: just because I made it past a group of mobs doesn’t mean the 16k health squishy caster is going to make it. You are their mighty shield! You need to turn back and be sure they are with you, not getting plinked at from some stray archer mob that will follow the squishy for 500 miles.

Normal dungeon... this is not a vet dungeon, or a trial. It's easy. Besides that, all of them were at full health the entire time, no one was in danger of dying. As I have repeatedly pointed out, and this is something that the participants in this thread seems to ignore, they went after the trashmobs that were OFF the path. They didnt have to do that. They could just have walked right past, but they didn't.

DoobZ69 · September 2018

Had a vBC2 run last night with atrocious DPS in my group. The healer was doing 25% of the damage and I don't keep combat metrics. Right off the bat they wanted to speed run to the bosses and demanded an HM on the last boss which was a 20 minute fight. Because the tank and the healer were able to carry it got done but this shows that there is a fine line between wanting a fast run because you've tired of doing it and being so rubbish at DPS that you have no choice or it takes forever. If only one of the DPS was bad I would kick the guy but because it was both of them I just slugged through it. I'm guessing the OP is the same rubbish scrub who didn't get lucky. The end.

PS: By the same token the next run (different DPS) was vCOA2 and we got the speed run achievement with HM without doing any death/skip runs, just the usual lava skips, etc.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

ForsakenSin wrote: »

My God i don't even know where to begin...

Well you could begin with not writing "My God i don't even know where to begin..."

Especially when followed by:

ForsakenSin wrote: »

"In YOUR case it's best not to engage in group content before you at least learn how to have some respect and be humble towards others and get off you high horse "

Unless you were trying to amuse me with an example of great irony?

ForsakenSin wrote: »

has it occurred to you that maybe they never done that dungeon and they wanted to explore it and see what is around that path ect?

Has it occurred to you that I didn't want? if they wanted to explore the dungeon and take their sweet time, a premade group is a good way to do that. Dont use the dungeon finder for that...

max_only · September 2018

When pugging, even normals, I never assume they can take care of it themselves.

And if they were purposely aggro-ing every last skeever, then it’s clear that the majority of the group wanted all the exp they could get.

Majority of your group had a different idea of what a “successful” run is. Nothing to see here imho. If it were the opposite, three speeders and one slow poke we’d say the same thing. We’d tell them to join a guild and run with people who will have patience. Don’t even have to go back 10 pages on this forum to find threads of that nature.

John_Falstaff · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Some of the mobs do not follow me that is correct. But most of them do. If they can't handle the few mobs going back after them that's just hilarious. But as I said, that wasnt the problem. They chose to go after mob groups that were OFF the path. Why would they do that? who knows, I asked them, but got no reply.

The argument on how easy it is to handle a few mobs (which you've sent back after them, just for the record), or how they must be geared (you ran a normal with newbies, they're undergeared by definition) doesn't even enter it. It was your bloody job as a tank to be there with your group and help them handle those mobs. And, as meme goes, you had one job. You failed it, spectacularly. I don't know why you're so surprised you've been fired.

Salvas_Aren · September 2018

You assume that the group attracted each and every skeever on purpose?

I can't tell how often I tell ppl to disguise in Blackheart Haven and they do not. Instead of doing a smooth run, they play genocide island.

I feel with the OP, at one point you might get tired of roleplaying the nanny.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

max_only wrote: »

When pugging, even normals, I never assume they can take care of it themselves.

And if they were purposely aggro-ing every last skeever, then it’s clear that the majority of the group wanted all the exp they could get.

Majority of your group had a different idea of what a “successful” run is. Nothing to see here imho. If it were the opposite, three speeders and one slow poke we’d say the same thing. We’d tell them to join a guild and run with people who will have patience. Don’t even have to go back 10 pages on this forum to find threads of that nature.

If I could get the daily rewards without using the dungeon finder I would, at least some of the times, but alas, that is not the way ZOS have designed the game. They want us to group to get the reward, so I'll keep using the dungeon finder, and some people are always gonna complain about those that do not want to follow their rules. They can complain all they want, that's their right to. free speech and all

ArchMikem · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Just got kicked from a dungeon because I went straight for the bosses, instead of killing each and every trashmob along the way... Oo

So you're one of those who pull every single mob to the boss thus overwhelming the group and causing a wipe.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Some of the mobs do not follow me that is correct. But most of them do. If they can't handle the few mobs going back after them that's just hilarious. But as I said, that wasnt the problem. They chose to go after mob groups that were OFF the path. Why would they do that? who knows, I asked them, but got no reply.

The argument on how easy it is to handle a few mobs (which you've sent back after them, just for the record), or how they must be geared (you ran a normal with newbies, they're undergeared by definition) doesn't even enter it. It was your bloody job as a tank to be there with your group and help them handle those mobs. And, as meme goes, you had one job. You failed it, spectacularly. I don't know why you're so surprised you've been fired.

You should read my previous comments, it contains valuable information vital for you understanding the topic at hand. But let me iterate on the key points and add some clarification:

1. they were in no danger of dying; were at full health the entire time.
2. they chose to go after mobs that were off the path.
3. from the mobs I did see them attack and kill they weren't undergeared, they didnt have crappy dps.

ApostateHobo · September 2018

Saying it's just a normal dungeon and anyone should be able to handle it is ridiculous. There are N E W players, unless you think everyone starts the game all knowing with max cp? Yeah didn't think so. Remind me of a guy I got grouped with the other day that was speedrunning and said "it's just on normal lol" when I asked him to slow down. Guess who kept dying repeatedly after that remark? Him and his little friends that were speedrunning. All three were also dps, tank and healer were fake and "it's normal lol" was lousy dps. They then vote kicked me at the very end after the final boss after I carried their sorry butts through the whole dungeon. You guys all have this same self important mentality that's just obnoxious to say the least, and the passive aggressive niceness in this thread just emphasizes it. Next time maybe don't queue solo, group with other likeminded people you won't be inconveniencing by piling mobs onto them as you sprint along your merry way to the bosses. If you don't know any people like that then just solo the dungeons because ya know it is just normal after all it's soooo easy you should be able to handle it by yourself.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Just got kicked from a dungeon because I went straight for the bosses, instead of killing each and every trashmob along the way... Oo

So you're one of those who pull every single mob to the boss thus overwhelming the group and causing a wipe.

So you're one of those who doesn't read (at lest some of) my previous comments in this thread thus being totally unknowledgeable about the topic at hand?

And my answer to your question is no. No one wiped. No one died. No one was close to dying.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Saying it's just a normal dungeon and anyone should be able to handle it is ridiculous. There are N E W players, unless you think everyone starts the game all knowing with max cp? Yeah didn't think so. Remind me of a guy I got grouped with the other day that was speedrunning and said "it's just on normal lol" when I asked him to slow down. Guess who kept dying repeatedly after that remark? Him and his little friends that were speedrunning. All three were also dps, tank and healer were fake and "it's normal lol" was lousy dps. They then vote kicked me at the very end after the final boss after I carried their sorry butts through the whole dungeon. You guys all have this same self important mentality that's just obnoxious to say the least, and the passive aggressive niceness in this thread just emphasizes it. Next time maybe don't queue solo, group with other likeminded people you won't be inconveniencing by piling mobs onto them as you sprint along your merry way to the bosses. If you don't know any people like that then just solo the dungeons because ya know it is just normal after all it's soooo easy you should be able to handle it by yourself.

How on earth do you know if they were new players?? Were you there in the dungeon as an invisible deity, watching us all this time, just waiting until I posted on the forums so you could point out the facts, that you personally witnessed?

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ApostateHobo · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Saying it's just a normal dungeon and anyone should be able to handle it is ridiculous. There are N E W players, unless you think everyone starts the game all knowing with max cp? Yeah didn't think so. Remind me of a guy I got grouped with the other day that was speedrunning and said "it's just on normal lol" when I asked him to slow down. Guess who kept dying repeatedly after that remark? Him and his little friends that were speedrunning. All three were also dps, tank and healer were fake and "it's normal lol" was lousy dps. They then vote kicked me at the very end after the final boss after I carried their sorry butts through the whole dungeon. You guys all have this same self important mentality that's just obnoxious to say the least, and the passive aggressive niceness in this thread just emphasizes it. Next time maybe don't queue solo, group with other likeminded people you won't be inconveniencing by piling mobs onto them as you sprint along your merry way to the bosses. If you don't know any people like that then just solo the dungeons because ya know it is just normal after all it's soooo easy you should be able to handle it by yourself.

How on earth do you know if they were new players?? Were you there in the dungeon as an invisible deity, watching us all this time, just waiting until I posted on the forums so you could point out the facts, that you personally witnessed?

Hmmm where did I say the people you were grouped with specifically were new? I was just addressing what you said to another person about how anyone should be able to handle the mobs in normal dungeons. Nice attempt at turning what I said against me you get an E for effort.

John_Falstaff · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You should read my previous comments, it contains valuable information vital for you understanding the topic at hand. But let me iterate on the key points and add some clarification: <...>

You wrote at first that you've pulled all the mobs after you - and only then admitted that some went back after the group and started making up excuses along the lines that they should've been able to handle them. Why would I take your other assessments about your run in all good faith? But again, you see, what you're saying is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is that your job as a tank was to stay with your group instead of exposing it to danger. You failed it; you got kicked - it's simple as that.

But, really, I don't think there's any semblance of understanding looming on the horizon; reading the thread makes me think it's a subtle, artful trolling going on. Shouldn't probably keep on proliferating all that.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You should read my previous comments, it contains valuable information vital for you understanding the topic at hand. But let me iterate on the key points and add some clarification: <...>

You wrote at first that you've pulled all the mobs after you - and only then admitted that some went back after the group and started making up excuses along the lines that they should've been able to handle them. .

Because pulling all the mobs is and was effectively the same as only leaving a few a few stragglers behind. But you're right that technically I did not pull ALL the mobs, but it's irrelevant in this context. If you have read my other comments you would know why that is.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

John_Falstaff wrote: »

But, really, I don't think there's any semblance of understanding looming on the horizon; reading the thread makes me think it's a subtle, artful trolling going on. Shouldn't probably keep on proliferating all that.

Well, I would be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying this

but in all honesty I did not set forth with a great trolling scheme. But a man is allowed to enjoy himself is he not?

idk · September 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I'll go ahead and list one of the possible future replys:

"Not everyone wants to speedrun through a dungeon. Please think of the new players."

Not everyone wants to slowpace through a dungeon. Think of the veterans?

It's people like you what cause unrest...

By using the daily dungeon feature to get my daily dungeon rewards I would say Im rather unikely to want to take my sweet time enjoying the same dungeon for the 100th time. just saying

Yes im a terrific firestarter I can see that.

TBH the best way to get a fast random is to get a group of guildies together then queue. If you are in that much of a hurry that will server you so much better than a random group.

Jayman1000 · September 2018

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Hmmm where did I say the people you were grouped with specifically were new? I was just addressing what you said to another person about how anyone should be able to handle the mobs in normal dungeons. Nice attempt at turning what I said against me you get an E for effort.

In that case I did misunderstand you. I were under the impression that you were addressing my experience in my particular case. But even so, a group of three people should by FAR be able to handle a few trash mobs. But on to your point about new players: they should probably learn to play better before engaging in "dangerous" group content. It's not really that dangerous, but it may be if you have no clue about whjat you are doing. What's interesting is that these players were in fact very interested in killing all the trashmobs; and they also were capable of handling them. Not in a very effecient manner, but also not terribly bad or in danger of dying, just killing each small group then moving on. Now that the episode has had time to sink in im almost beginning to think that this were actually bots there to farm all the xp from the trash mobs... if it weren't for the fact that they vote kicked me, or is that something bots would actually do to have the dungeon for themselves?

Sylvermynx · September 2018

idk wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I'll go ahead and list one of the possible future replys:

"Not everyone wants to speedrun through a dungeon. Please think of the new players."

Not everyone wants to slowpace through a dungeon. Think of the veterans?

It's people like you what cause unrest...

By using the daily dungeon feature to get my daily dungeon rewards I would say Im rather unikely to want to take my sweet time enjoying the same dungeon for the 100th time. just saying

Yes im a terrific firestarter I can see that.

TBH the best way to get a fast random is to get a group of guildies together then queue. If you are in that much of a hurry that will server you so much better than a random group.

Well.... there's probably a reason his guildies don't go there....

Jayman1000 · September 2018

idk wrote: »

TBH the best way to get a fast random is to get a group of guildies together then queue. If you are in that much of a hurry that will server you so much better than a random group.

What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.