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  • Jayman1000
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Well.... there's probably a reason his guildies don't go there....

    Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

  • DaveMoeDee
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    Just got kicked from a dungeon because I went straight for the bosses, instead of killing each and every trashmob along the way... Oo

    While I prefer a speed run, if you got kicked, it was because you weren't doing what most of the group wanted. That would justify kicking you.
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    You should read my previous comments, it contains valuable information vital for you understanding the topic at hand. But let me iterate on the key points and add some clarification: <...>

    You wrote at first that you've pulled all the mobs after you - and only then admitted that some went back after the group and started making up excuses along the lines that they should've been able to handle them. .

    Because pulling all the mobs is and was effectively the same as only leaving a few a few stragglers behind. But you're right that technically I did not pull ALL the mobs, but it's irrelevant in this context. If you have read my other comments you would know why that is.

    Many times I have pugged with people who run ahead and leave large hoards blocking the path of other group member, causing a few of our group members to die. As a high level tank, I'm not going to have an issue, but others often do.
  • John_Falstaff
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.

    Saves you fifteen minutes of finder cooldown after being kicked, as it turns. (And yes, I'm tempted to ask whether 'queueing as a tank' implies being one of fake tanks...)
  • DaveMoeDee
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    John_Falstaff wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.

    Saves you fifteen minutes of finder cooldown after being kicked, as it turns. (And yes, I'm tempted to ask whether 'queueing as a tank' implies being one of fake tanks...)

    I'm just confused by a tank leaving his group behind. Sounds quite toxic.
    Edited by DaveMoeDee on September 4, 2018 1:41AM
  • Jayman1000
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    While I prefer a speed run, if you got kicked, it was because you weren't doing what most of the group wanted. That would justify kicking you.

    By that definition anything can justify a votekick, as long as it's what the rest of the group want. Which means your statement really doesn't bring much to the table.
  • DaveMoeDee
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    While I prefer a speed run, if you got kicked, it was because you weren't doing what most of the group wanted. That would justify kicking you.

    By that definition anything can justify a votekick, as long as it's what the rest of the group want. Which means your statement really doesn't bring much to the table.

    Sure it does. You are ruining the experience for the other 3 because you don't care about their experience. That justifies kicking you.

    It seems you don't want to allow that you getting kicked could be justified so you will not accept any argument supporting that.
  • Jayman1000
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    John_Falstaff wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.

    Saves you fifteen minutes of finder cooldown after being kicked, as it turns. (And yes, I'm tempted to ask whether 'queueing as a tank' implies being one of fake tanks...)

    I'm just confused by a tank leaving his group behind. Sounds quite toxic.

    Read my previous comments, save confusion ;) to iterate on the points: They didn't need a tank for what they were doing, clearing trashmobs. However they may have needed me for some of the bosses, I may not know now. I was in the process of figthing a boss when they votekicked while they were trash clearing in the beginning of the dungeon.

    Toxic is what I would use to describe some of the comments in this thread. I sense some bottled up angery...

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    Edited by Jayman1000 on September 4, 2018 1:47AM
  • Jayman1000
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    John_Falstaff wrote: »
    Saves you fifteen minutes of finder cooldown after being kicked, as it turns. (And yes, I'm tempted to ask whether 'queueing as a tank' implies being one of fake tanks...)

    Why not just go ahead and assume Im guilty of that? Assumptions seem be very popular in this time and age.

    About the cooldown, well I dont mind it happening on rare occassions. As I have mentioned this is not something that happens often at all; I think these players reaction is my first, despite having done this many many times.
    Edited by Jayman1000 on September 4, 2018 1:50AM
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    I was in the process of figthing a boss when they votekicked while they were trash clearing in the beginning of the dungeon.

    So you, a tank, have been fighting the boss, is that right? ^^ Some combative tank they got. I don't think there's anything left to assume here.
    Edited by John_Falstaff on September 4, 2018 1:50AM
  • DaveMoeDee
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    John_Falstaff wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.

    Saves you fifteen minutes of finder cooldown after being kicked, as it turns. (And yes, I'm tempted to ask whether 'queueing as a tank' implies being one of fake tanks...)

    I'm just confused by a tank leaving his group behind. Sounds quite toxic.

    Read my previous comments, save confusion ;) to iterate on the points: They didn't need a tank for what they were doing, clearing trashmobs. However they may have needed me for some of the bosses, I may not know now. I was in the process of figthing a boss when they votekicked while they were trash clearing in the beginning of the dungeon.

    Toxic is what I would use to describe some of the comments in this thread. I sense some bottled up angery...

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    Yeah, if someone disagrees with what you are doing, it is because they are angry or because they are bots. It can't be you that was the problem in that PUG. They kicked you, and then they probably enjoyed the dungeon a lot more with someone who was interested in being part of a team.
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    Looks like the system worked as intended. They saved you from having to play with them.
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    While I prefer a speed run, if you got kicked, it was because you weren't doing what most of the group wanted. That would justify kicking you.

    By that definition anything can justify a votekick, as long as it's what the rest of the group want. Which means your statement really doesn't bring much to the table.

    i'm not having any trouble seeing his point. if they were having an "all blue pants" run and you equip a red dress, then you're out. your speedrun initiative left you in the minority, and you're out. no big deal. like you said, your tank status helps your next queue pop immediately. you saw democracy in action. it's over now.

    i support freedom of speech, even though i find it strange the way some people choose to exercise it. better luck next time!
  • Jayman1000
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    Sure it does. You are ruining the experience for the other 3 because you don't care about their experience. That justifies kicking you.

    It seems you don't want to allow that you getting kicked could be justified so you will not accept any argument supporting that.

    Of course I do think that there can be justifications for a votekick. It could be a lot of stuff, like trashtalking your group members, racism, being a fake tankas a cloth wearing caster that keeps dying etc etc .numerous examples here where I would deem it very justifiable with a kick. I just don't think an argument saying "because the majority thought so" or "the majority felt their experience ruined" is a very strong argument; it can apply to any situation where the majority wants something, as long as they want it. Not saying it's not an argument, just that it's not very strong.

  • Jayman1000
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    Minyassa wrote: »
    Looks like the system worked as intended. They saved you from having to play with them.

    Not really, you have misunderstood the situation. I didn't mind them staying back, even though I would have preferred them to keep up.
  • Jayman1000
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    Yeah, if someone disagrees with what you are doing, it is because they are angry or because they are bots. It can't be you that was the problem in that PUG. They kicked you, and then they probably enjoyed the dungeon a lot more with someone who was interested in being part of a team.

    Im sure they did, after waiting around all those minutes for a new tank to join lmao o:) nah who am I kidding, they were most likely just spending the time killing all the trashmobs while waiting for the next sucker to join :D

  • Jayman1000
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    John_Falstaff wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    I was in the process of figthing a boss when they votekicked while they were trash clearing in the beginning of the dungeon.

    So you, a tank, have been fighting the boss, is that right? ^^ Some combative tank they got. I don't think there's anything left to assume here.

    what? Are you saying a tank cant be a real tank if he/she can fight a boss? Can you clarify your comment, because I dont think this makes sense.

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    Edited by Jayman1000 on September 4, 2018 2:15AM
  • Jinchuu
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    I don't understand why you people continue to feed an obvious troll, not even a good one at that (I wouldn't even call him mediocre).
    Unless you are willing to be a mindless sycophant and/or coddle others due to their insecurities prepare to be harrased by the Orwellian enforcers on these forums. You should also try to refrain from using any words more complex than those used by a small child due to the fact that said enforcers have made it clear that their vocabulary pool is aenemic.
  • Jayman1000
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    Jinchuu wrote: »
    I don't understand why you people continue to feed an obvious troll, not even a good one at that (I wouldn't even call him mediocre).

    Come on be nice. Naming and shaming isn't the best way to deal with people in my opinion. Also know that when you post in this thread it will automatically get bumped to the top, so you posting here may be counter to what you want to achieve. have a great day/evening/night whereever you are <3
  • Mr_Walker
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    I dont have time to take it slow, sorry my dude :)

    Uh, we're all playing a video game. I suspect we all have spare time....
  • Jayman1000
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    swippy wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    While I prefer a speed run, if you got kicked, it was because you weren't doing what most of the group wanted. That would justify kicking you.

    By that definition anything can justify a votekick, as long as it's what the rest of the group want. Which means your statement really doesn't bring much to the table.

    i'm not having any trouble seeing his point. if they were having an "all blue pants" run and you equip a red dress, then you're out. your speedrun initiative left you in the minority, and you're out. no big deal. like you said, your tank status helps your next queue pop immediately. you saw democracy in action. it's over now.

    i support freedom of speech, even though i find it strange the way some people choose to exercise it. better luck next time!

    I don't have a problem seeing his point either. Im just pointing out that that point isn't a very strong point. (no pun intended).
  • Jayman1000
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    I dont have time to take it slow, sorry my dude :)

    Uh, we're all playing a video game. I suspect we all have spare time....

    I suspect you don't know anything about how much spare time I have. Or wait that's not true, I have stated that I don't have time to take it slow, so you do know that much at least: you have my word that I do not have time to take it slow.
  • Mr_Walker
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    I dont have time to take it slow, sorry my dude :)

    Uh, we're all playing a video game. I suspect we all have spare time....

    I suspect you don't know anything about how much spare time I have. Or wait that's not true, I have stated that I don't have time to take it slow, so you do know that much at least: you have my word that I do not have time to take it slow.

    Bro. Come on. Unless you've got to get back to finding the cure for brain cancer, or are 10 minutes away from solving world hunger, you've got some time.
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    stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Why is this post worthy??

    Whoso pulleth out this bait...

    Yeah I’m a tank top, I also try to skip mob groups if possible, here’s the thing: just because I made it past a group of mobs doesn’t mean the 16k health squishy caster is going to make it. You are their mighty shield! You need to turn back and be sure they are with you, not getting plinked at from some stray archer mob that will follow the squishy for 500 miles.

    Normal dungeon... this is not a vet dungeon, or a trial. It's easy. Besides that, all of them were at full health the entire time, no one was in danger of dying. As I have repeatedly pointed out, and this is something that the participants in this thread seems to ignore, they went after the trashmobs that were OFF the path. They didnt have to do that. They could just have walked right past, but they didn't.

    Almost sounds like they might have been having fun. Disgusting!
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Bro. Come on. Unless you've got to get back to finding the cure for brain cancer, or are 10 minutes away from solving world hunger, you've got some time.

    Come one bro right back at ya, see, you have no idea what I do in my life or how much sparetime or not I have, or what I want to spend it on or not. I don't pretend to know this about you and, in my humble opinion, neither should you about me.
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Almost sounds like they might have been having fun. Disgusting!

    Why would you find that disgusting? ah you are being sarcastic. But why though? I don't mind them having fun... why would I? Where did I indicate as much? or was your sarcasm not directed at me? If not what was your point?
    Edited by Jayman1000 on September 4, 2018 2:50AM
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
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    TBH the best way to get a fast random is to get a group of guildies together then queue. If you are in that much of a hurry that will server you so much better than a random group.

    What, really? Are you saying that you can assemble a ready premade in 5-10 seconds, just like that, at any time you want? Because that's how fast I join via the dungeon finder queuing as a tank.

    This is just being absurd.

    Besides you seem to be doing a lot of defending yourself in this thread. A thread you created to defend yourself or something.

    Besides the clear fact you have much more than 5-10 seconds to spare based on how much time you have spent trying to defend yourself in this thread it does not take much time to form a group in a good guild during active ours unless guild mates tend to avoid you. Clearly you lost much more than that 5-10 seconds when you got kicked to the curb.

    Further, regardless of what role you queued up as it is in very poor taste to skip past trash mobs with a random group and especially without them knowing what you are doing. That is common sense.

    It is also common sense that you will go a lot slower doing the fights solo as you clearly were doing.

    If you want to run the dungeons that way it is better you form a full group yourself then go and of course make sure they know what you are planning.
    Edited by idk on September 4, 2018 2:52AM
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    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Bro. Come on. Unless you've got to get back to finding the cure for brain cancer, or are 10 minutes away from solving world hunger, you've got some time.

    Come one bro right back at ya, see, you have no idea what I do in my life or how much sparetime or not I have, or what I want to spend it on or not. I don't pretend to know this about you and, in my humble opinion, neither should you about me.
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Almost sounds like they might have been having fun. Disgusting!

    Why would you find that disgusting? ah you are being sarcastic. But why though? I don't mind them having fun... why would I? Where did I indicate as much? or was your sarcasm not directed at me? If not what was your point?

    Yeah, nah, I reckon 40+ posts in this thread tell me you've got a bit of free time. :)
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    idk wrote: »
    This is just being absurd.

    Why?
    idk wrote: »
    Besides you seem to be doing a lot of defending yourself in this thread.

    yees? what is wrong with that? (im assuming that you are hinting at something weird or wrong about my defending my opinion, do let me know if im wrong if that is not what you are hinting at). There is something wrong with defending my opinion? Is this a cultural thing where, in your culture, whatever it may be, defending oneself indicates something bad? In my culture we value every individuals rights to defend themselves against accusations. We take great pride in not passing judgement (nothing religious) on others without due process or factual evidence.

    idk wrote: »
    Besides the clear fact you have much more than 5-10 seconds to spare based on how much time you have spent trying to defend yourself in this thread...

    What I want to do with my time, spare or not, is entirely my prerogative, as it is every individuals. What if I wanted to take some sparetime sitting on my balcony doing nothing but sipping away on my cold beer enjoying the afternoon sun? Would that mean I am not so entitled to wanting to finish a dungeon in ESO fast? I can spend my sparetime however I like and my perception about what I think I have time for or not is entirely mine. That goes for everyone.

    idk wrote: »
    it does not take much time to form a group in a good guild during active ours unless guild mates tend to avoid you. Clearly you lost much more than that 5-10 seconds when you got kicked to the curb.

    As I have stated multiple times in this thread: this is a very rare occurence, I don't even think it has happened to me before; so on average this type of player reaction will be effectively naught. Now if it were to happen frequently that would definitely make me choose another strategy. I would be very surprised to see that happen though.

    idk wrote: »
    Further, regardless of what role you queued up as it is in very poor taste to skip past trash mobs with a random group and especially without them knowing what you are doing. That is common sense.

    No it's your opinion. And I disagree, it has generally worked very well and this is the first time I had a negative reaction to it. Perhaps I have just been super duper lucky up until now, and now my luck has run dry. Time will tell.

    idk wrote: »
    It is also common sense that you will go a lot slower doing the fights solo as you clearly were doing.

    I agree that this is common sense, mainly because obviously 3 more players can do much extra damage than me solo, unless they were really really REALLY bad.

    idk wrote: »
    If you want to run the dungeons that way it is better you form a full group yourself then go and of course make sure they know what you are planning.

    No. Takes way too much time, so I disagree.

    Edited by Jayman1000 on September 4, 2018 3:09AM
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Jayman1000 wrote: »
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Bro. Come on. Unless you've got to get back to finding the cure for brain cancer, or are 10 minutes away from solving world hunger, you've got some time.

    Come one bro right back at ya, see, you have no idea what I do in my life or how much sparetime or not I have, or what I want to spend it on or not. I don't pretend to know this about you and, in my humble opinion, neither should you about me.
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Almost sounds like they might have been having fun. Disgusting!

    Why would you find that disgusting? ah you are being sarcastic. But why though? I don't mind them having fun... why would I? Where did I indicate as much? or was your sarcasm not directed at me? If not what was your point?

    Yeah, nah, I reckon 40+ posts in this thread tell me you've got a bit of free time. :)

    I haven't claimed that I do not have "a bit of free time". so your point/argument seems wasted and pointless; I do not disagree with you that I have got a bit of free time. But to the point: understand this, what I want to do with my free time is entirely my prerogative. The same goes for you, I don't pretend to know what you want to do with your free time. Whatever you think you have time for I would believe it and accept it if you told me. I feel that you somehow don't believe me when I say that I don't think I have time to do slowpace dungeon run.
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    I am beginning to think OP made up everything in the OP to troll the forums. I seriously doubt someone would purposefully continue attempts to justify such behavior after failing time and time again as (s)he has in this thread unless it was a lame attempt to entertain him/herself. Hopefully, because otherwise it is clear OP stands along both metaphorically and quite literally on this issue.
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    idk wrote: »
    I am beginning to think OP made up everything in the OP to troll the forums. I seriously doubt someone would purposefully continue attempts to justify such behavior after failing time and time again as (s)he has in this thread unless it was a lame attempt to entertain him/herself. Hopefully, because otherwise it is clear OP stands along both metaphorically and quite literally on this issue.

    Some people see their own failures, as nothing more then others not recognizing their greatness.
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    I am beginning to think OP made up everything in the OP to troll the forums. I seriously doubt someone would purposefully continue attempts to justify such behavior after failing time and time again as (s)he has in this thread unless it was a lame attempt to entertain him/herself. Hopefully, because otherwise it is clear OP stands along both metaphorically and quite literally on this issue.

    Some people see their own failures, as nothing more then others not recognizing their greatness.

    To true.
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