Yes i'm all for the first three or so posts, please ditch ice staff tanking and overhaul it, make it better.

wahoozie wrote: »

I'd like to see it just removed. I've done plenty of content with new players, as a tank and not as a tank and wondered why the boss kept running around. After a while someone would ask if anyone is using a frost staff, and sure enough, new player picked up a staff they like and is using it. Lo and behold, its a frost staff. It is plain counter intuitive.

This very much so.. New players have very little idea about taunting concepts and a staff is not what customers would consider a tank setup.. they pick up an ice staff and fill out their passives.. honestly in a dungeon at breakneck speed adding passive without reading is very possible for a newer customer with no clue..

And even if they do read it they may not understand the whole tanking and taunting mechanics.. Very poorly implemented.

Well... There are things in this game that simply dont make sense. Such as restoring resources with heavy attacks or destro staff tanking. I mean, it's a decent offbar weapon, but using it as a main source of taunt is bound to fail. I've seen a pure ice tank the other day (random guy from /z), he didnt seem to have inner fire and just used heavies. It wasnt very convenient for the group because it took him a while to taunt dangerous mobs this way and at the end boss oneshotted one of the dds because our tank couldnt retaunt him quick enough. Ice staff heavies are just too slow and when there's more than one hard-hitting mob, it becomes tricky.

runagate wrote: »

Add Illusion staff skill line. Instant tanking and/or support class fun.

I like this idea. They could add taunt, armor debuff and a cc option (for classes that lack it) and maybe some healing ability. Maybe even aoe taunt as a part of an ulti (I know its kinda useless for endgame players and I personally wouldnt waste my ult on taunt, but I often see people requesting aoe taunt).
And ice mages could become more viable at last, they could add a dps-related passive to ice staff.

I love ice staff taunting. I heard it's all the rage now * jumps on bandwagon and taunts meta babies with an ice staff*

They could maybe take inspiration from the current Monster of the Month and have it work like Kena's Overkill. Two consecutive light attacks would trigger a taunt. Maybe also keep the heavy attack trigger there too so you have some flexibility between damage and magicka return.

Just make a separate 1 point passive for taunt useable with any destro staff.

If they really, really want Ice Staff tanking to work, they need to disassociate Ice Staves from the Destruction Staff skill line and make it an entirely new one for it.

I want the staff taunt to be removed so ice staves can be used for DPS, most good DPSs will need to heavy attack at some point and that just doesnt work right now if you're going too steal aggro from your tank.

Only thing wrong with the Ice staff is the heavy attack taunt is too slow, other than that it is fine and much better than it previously was where everyone still used fire or lighting, because the reality is a third DPS option on destro is always going to be subpar and surplus to requirements.

It doesn't have to be as good as s+b for tanking, the notion that you will have balance is laughable, there will always be something that is optimum and those who want to tryhard at PvE leaderboards will always go with whatever that is, just take a look at how DPS classes get switched wholesale as balance changes over time.

This game already has more than enough DPS focused weapons, it doesn't need yet another at the expense of the only other tanking option. Ice staff is a nice option to backbar for the "hardest" content on certain classes, whilst it is perfectly fine for the rest of the content as main tanking weapon (slow taunt aside).

Furthermore part of the reason it was introduced was for PvP to give magicka builds a block option, and is it used quite a lot by things like magwarden in PvP, far more than was in the period preceding the change where it was basically superfluous.

Snowflakes that want to roleplay as a damage dealing "Ice Mage" isn't a reason to homogenise the game.

Sylosi wrote: »

Only thing wrong with the Ice staff is the heavy attack taunt is too slow, other than that it is fine and much better than it previously was where everyone still used fire or lighting, because the reality is a third DPS option on destro is always going to be subpar and surplus to requirements.

It doesn't have to be as good as s+b for tanking, the notion that you will have balance is laughable, there will always be something that is optimum and those who want to tryhard at PvE leaderboards will always go with whatever that is, just take a look at how DPS classes get switched wholesale as balance changes over time.

This game already has more than enough DPS focused weapons, it doesn't need yet another at the expense of the only other tanking option. Ice staff is a nice option to backbar for the "hardest" content on certain classes, whilst it is perfectly fine for the rest of the content as main tanking weapon (slow taunt aside).

Furthermore part of the reason it was introduced was for PvP to give magicka builds a block option, and is it used quite a lot by things like magwarden in PvP, far more than was in the period preceding the change where it was basically superfluous.

Snowflakes that want to roleplay as a damage dealing "Ice Mage" isn't a reason to homogenise the game.

it isn't slow at all, i hold my heavy attack button and weave in my slotted skills it pans out well. this keep my attack up on 2 fronts, as i feel tapping the button or light attack button is not so fluid.