Giving Up On Sorc

ezio45 · September 2018

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jabrone77 wrote: »

I have to believe anyone who is a sorc complaining about quiting the class just isn't skilled at sorc. Plain and simple.
If you have skill, where's your screen shots? Where's your videos showing your skill?
Ah, but that's the thing, isn't it. If you show you're skilled at sorc, it's hard to say it's underperforming and needs buffs, isn't it? Hard to say sorc isn't good when you're showing yourself preforming well on it, right? So, enjoy that corner you've painted yourself into.

I've said enough on this topic. I'm sad and embarrassed for my fellow sorc players.

Plenty of people already do. The problem is that most of the proof most players are able to show is them 1vXing noobs.

Against a skilled player, Sorc just isn't good. Shields take full unmitigated damage, and even without crits that's a TON of damage so they're very easy to burst down.

Here's all the flaws with Sorc:
-Shields take full damage and only last 6 seconds AND are expensive. It's pretty easy to keep the pressure on a sorc

-The burst combo is pretty alright but it's so easy for other people to mess it up...and if it gets messed up you're not getting any kills with it. Then you have pretty much all the other classes who throw their DoTs and debuffs on you, spam their spammable, use their "big finisher" to seal the deal and GG.

-Lack of mobility/escape. Sorcs used to have this a la Bolt Escape, but ever since the nerf to it Sorcs can afford to use it maybe twice. And it's certainly not much of an escape when gap closer spam negates it entirely. Not many other classes have a ton of mobility, but my issue is that Sorc used to be THE mobility class and it feels like that part of our identity was stripped away.

-SUSTAIN. Probably the worst part of Sorc. They are legitimately the worst class in the game in terms fo sustain. It feels like I'm just out of MP constantly in both PvP and PvE. It's "kind of" always been this way, but the changes in MW made it more pronounced.

-No healing. Sorc pretty much relies on the restoration staff, and the heal that Sorcs most frequently use may not even always target them in Battlegrounds (and it never helps the person you healed because Healing Ward by itself does almost nothing...you need the other Sorc shields). Every class has some form of proper self healing whereas Sorcs just...don't

Overall, the absolute biggest problem I have with Sorc is that every patch they have a piece of their identity stripped away. As it is now, the class can be described as "nightblade, but worse" because that's almost what the playstyle feels like but without the sustain, mobility, escape, and burst. If I could change 3 things about Sorc, if would be these:
-Either buff shields, or add healing. I would prefer if Shields could add your full resistances or at least half of them onto the shield itself, and/or for ZOS to remove the Battle Spirit penalty on shields since they're far inferior to raw healing and raw damage is just too much for them. I would also prefer if shields lasted their original 20 seconds, or at least 10 seconds a la Empowered Ward.

-Remove the Streak nerf. This never needed to happen in the first place. Not even a little bit.

-Remove the Frags nerf. Give it back its full damage and its stun. At least people had asked for the Streak nerf. No one even asked for the Frags nerf. You just did it. This "hard-hitting abilities shouldn't stun" philosophy is negated by the fact that Dawnbreaker, Master Staff Flame Reach, Incap Strike, etc etc are still in the game. ZOS couldn't even bring themselves to remove the stun on Incap despite Wrobel's philosophy.

If those 3 major nerfs would be reverted, then at least Sorc would have a part of their identity back.

Buff shields? Just how bad are you?

Sorcs have two of the strongest heals in the game. If that ain't enough, there's an entire skill line devoted to healing and it even comes with another cancerous stackable damage shield that heals you while hiding your gameplay deficiencies just like every sorc wants and expects.

As to reverting the streak nerf, I think that's fine.

But let's be fair, Sorc doesn't need any CCs. They are actually counter to the class identity. Sorc is about stacking incredible burst damage, while defending with powerful damage shields, it is not whatsoever a class that is or should be defined by crowd control.

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

Dracane · September 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

This thread made my Magplar spit his coffee all over the screen he was laughing so hard!

I believe you. Because your Magplar is free of sorrows, has powerfull abilities, great support, survival and damage.
I too would laugh, if I was in the good position Magplars are in.

ADarklore · September 2018

kromegas wrote: »

Well...I main a sorc, have played since launch. My wife and I both un-subbed and now I have $30 more a month! I seriously can’t believe I was paying that much for a craft bag. I had no problem paying...but...
Just read the forums...

Lag
Nerfs
Lag

I honestly haven’t looked back, nor have the other 4 people I normally play with. All of my friends seemed to quit at the same time...one month ago.

Let’s see...one was a NB, one a DK, I am a sorc, my wife a warden, and the other a Templar.

And so I think...

Maybe, just maybe it doesn’t matter what class you play as long as the game is fun. Maybe, just maybe QOL and lag is the problem. For the love of all that’s good in the world, WHY CANT I HAVE TWO CHAMPION POINT LOADOUTS FOR PVP AND PVE in ESOplus?

Btw- Destiny 2 just doubled by bank space for FREE...just saying...

Btw, Destiny 2 and ESO are two very different games and different genre... just saying...

NupidStoob · September 2018

It's sad to see how many people in this thread are so out of touch with this game. Also the gatekeeping is ridiculous. Sorcs are not allowed to complain about their class performing worse and worse because other classes struggle too? Yeah great mindset and great community. All classes have their problems and we should be able to address these without people that play other classes and have literally no understanding of these issues starting to scream in outrage. It's like kindergarten.

Any good player will do great in PvP vs. potatoes on any class. 1vX videos and such are hardly any proof for anything especially since they edit out the deaths.
Sorc is not in a terrible spot pvp wise, but it's also not in a great spot. That's simply how it is. Frankly I am okay with that as that is what balance is about. Not overperforming, but also not underperforming.

For PvE however NBs are completely over performing as DPS compared to other classes at the moment. Score meta is pretty much 8 NB DPS, 1 DK tank, 1 DK/Den offtank (depending if you want an extra synergy for Alkosh), 1 Plar healer for shards, purify, potl and minor sorcery and 1 Sorc healer for conduit, minor prophecy and some extra DPS.

The biggest problem is that DPS makes trials a lot easier. There is no justification to bring another DPS class than NB right now for more difficult trials as they are a burden to the team. Maybe 1 mSorc if you don't have a Sorc healer or a stamPlar if you don't have a well practiced Plar healer. Imagine you are raidlead for a group where the DPS players do around 35k DPS on non NBs and your group wants to do vMoL HM for the first time. Sure it's totally possible to do it with that kind of DPS, but it would become way easier if everyone was dealing 45k. Now can you with a good conscience allow people to play classes that perform way worse than NBs most likely putting your group through way more of a struggle than necessary? That obviously really depends on the mindset of the group, but I hope you can see my point.

The frustrating point for most non NBs is that they have played their classes for quite a while and worked really hard to achieve top DPS. Currently they could just hop on a NB and make lots of mistakes in their rotations and still do the same or even better DPS. It takes very little effort to compete with the other classes, it obviously still takes a lot of effort to reach top DPS among NBs.

What feels like the biggest issue as a mSorc right now is sustain. Most of the time during a fight you are fighting your magicka pool rather than the enemy. You are constantly looking for synergies, offbalance windows to HA and if the fights are a little bit messy you will have to resort to using a recovery or magicka steal glyphs, gimping your already poor DPS even more. It doesn't feel fluid at all. Even if that was addressed in some way, mSorc DPS would still be far behind NBs, but at least it wouldn't be a constant struggle to play the class.

I think NBs should be an example of a how a DPS class should be designed and instead of nerfing them the other classes should be brought to a similar level. Better yet allow classes to perform more unique duties so not the single best DPS class dominates all the DD spots. The only problem with NB at the moment is that they offer way too much utility on top of their DPS skills.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

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ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

Sustain on my sorc has never been an issue in PVP while i can't speak to pve. With the new jewelry traits and ability to transmute my heals are more powerful than ever. No other class has dark deal and nobody has crit heals from dmg or pet heal or heal from a skill line doing damage.

plus the option of a third skill bar. yea shield stacking sorcs are going to be a thing of the past and its about time. Sorcs as it stands are very very powerful in PVP and have been for a long time.

The problem seems to be a lack of theory crafting and trying new things.. at least in pvp.

here is a nice test for you: Run around cyrodill in light armor on a mag sorc and then try it on mag NB or mag templar or mag warden or even mag DK

Mag sorc is very survivable+does great damage and has mobility and great sustain.

If your cookie cutter build doesn't work because enough people know how to counter it maybe learn about what they are playing and counter their build.

Usually in pvp the problem is zergs not your class not being good enough.

Dude, wtf, This forum is not for your pathetic jokes. Just go away. [snip]

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Valrien · September 2018

Savos_Saren wrote: »

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Valrien wrote: »

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ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

Notice how the OP didn't say he was going to change to Templar, Warden, or DK. I wonder which two classes are outshining the others...

I'd change my Sorc to a stam Warden, magicka DK, or a magicka Templar tbqh. I've always wanted to play those.

I have all three.

StamWarden's meta of DBoS, Shalks, execute combo for PVP is a little boring for me. I've tried it and it's just not my bag of chips. A lot of running around, building ultimate until you can combo burst.

MagDK is my favorite because you don't really spam anything in particular and you have to be flexible. It can be pretty difficult to play at times.

MagPlar is finally getting some love and I've been having a good time on my heavy armor "DarkPlar". Soulshine, Rattlecage, and Mighty Chudan pair up well and free up skill slots on my bar.

I just can't bring myself to level up any more characters without everything being account wide.

I don't want to collect Skyshards and Lore Books anymore

ak_pvp · September 2018

*** hell the salt I can mine from this.

I assume you have never played any other classes. Because they have ALL had it worse than this. DKs past 1.6 were absolute bottom tier until about 6 months ago. NB was awful with broken cloak and old per buffed skis.
Now sorcs, who have been top since IC with a little stint in CWC (though OP rune still existed) are mid/lower mid tier and are bawling.

Welcome to the club.

Kel · September 2018

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Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Aren't you a nightblade main?

No sir. I main sorc. I just don't agree it's all doom and gloom. My nightblade is a rarely used PvE tank.

It's strange. I come to these forums talking about how sorcs are in a good place, how they are still fine, and generally saying good things about the class. And who jumps on me?

Other sorcs.

You have to understand, I'm just tired of the crying. I go out into Cyrodiil or battlegrounds and get far more kills than deaths. Isn't that what matters? What does pointing fingers at other classes do for us except make us look like whiners and cry babies? There's hardly any constructive discussion, it's all frothing at the mouth, blaming other classes, and tears.
Anytime someone says sorcs are fine, the inevitable response is "yeah, but nightblades..."
It's old.
I'm done discussing my class with players who don't see reason, and just want to bring others down, and why? Because they were overperforming, admittedly by other sorcs as well, so I'm told. Last time I brought up rune cage sorcs screamed at me "We told Zos it was overperforming!!" So, I'm done.

Unknown_Redemption · September 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Just went back to PvE on my Sorc because PvP sucks so bad. Now I discover that I have to heavy attack every 6 seconds just to sustain long enough to kill a 3M dummy.

ZOS, buff Sorcs before it's too late!

Use Elemental Drain and 1 Regen Jewel.

leepalmer95 · September 2018

I just got a death recap with 5 separate curses from 5 different sorc's.

Sorc's are fine as long as you have a zerg of them all cursing 1 player at the same time

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

It's sad to see how many people in this thread are so out of touch with this game. Also the gatekeeping is ridiculous. Sorcs are not allowed to complain about their class performing worse and worse because other classes struggle too? Yeah great mindset and great community. All classes have their problems and we should be able to address these without people that play other classes and have literally no understanding of these issues starting to scream in outrage. It's like kindergarten.

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Any good player will do great in PvP vs. potatoes on any class. 1vX videos and such are hardly any proof for anything especially since they edit out the deaths.

QFT

Joy_Division · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

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jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Aren't you a nightblade main?

No sir. I main sorc. I just don't agree it's all doom and gloom. My nightblade is a rarely used PvE tank.

It's strange. I come to these forums talking about how sorcs are in a good place, how they are still fine, and generally saying good things about the class. And who jumps on me?

Other sorcs.

You have to understand, I'm just tired of the crying. I go out into Cyrodiil or battlegrounds and get far more kills than deaths. Isn't that what matters? What does pointing fingers at other classes do for us except make us look like whiners and cry babies? There's hardly any constructive discussion, it's all frothing at the mouth, blaming other classes, and tears.
Anytime someone says sorcs are fine, the inevitable response is "yeah, but nightblades..."
It's old.
I'm done discussing my class with players who don't see reason, and just want to bring others down, and why? Because they were overperforming, admittedly by other sorcs as well, so I'm told. Last time I brought up rune cage sorcs screamed at me "We told Zos it was overperforming!!" So, I'm done.

Have you considered:

that you get far more kills than deaths because you are better than most of the people you are playing against
that you get far more kills than deaths because you are playing a potent offensive class that generally is positioned behind other players and thus is usually safe from danger while racking up kills
that people play this game to have fun, and fun is not necessarily a function of kill to death ratio

How else can we measure sorcerer effectiveness without comparing it to the context of other classes? That's not necessarily finger pointing. Kill to death ratio isn't at all a very reliable tool at all because zerg-surfing and spamming endless fury does not make a class strong.

I don't main a sorcerer, but I play one, and regardless of what kill:death ratio I get, it is very hard to argue that the feel and gameplay of a sorcerer has not fundamentally changed in the past year and a half. If someone fell in love with ESO because of how their sorcerer main played - which is a very different thing from raw power - it is easy to see where their complaints are coming from. And it also hard to argue that somehow the new different gameplay is an improvement, when the options are fewer and the developers keep going back and forth trying to figure out how to replace something that was a class-defining skill in crystal fragments.

Sorc players are going to get defensive when non-sorc players also froth at the mouth and tell them they need to git gud and their class is the real victims of ZoS's nerfs.

XxCaLxX · September 2018

As long as I’m hitting 40k and have my 30k empowered ward on my petsorc I won’t be maining anything else. I do have a magblade that hits alil higher but no where near the survivability as my sorc.

Gilvoth · September 2018

i see sorcerers kill whole groups of people within seconds.
i see sorcerer RACE to and RUN to kill people in zergs.
so im having alot of trouble understanding how anyone could say sorcerers are weak. especially with that high damage insta busts coupled with thier unkillable shield stacking.
just being honest, thats what i see every day in cryodiil.

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i see sorcerers kill whole groups of people within seconds.
i see sorcerer RACE to and RUN to kill people in zergs.
so im having alot of trouble understanding how anyone could say sorcerers are weak. especially with that high damage insta busts coupled with thier unkillable shield stacking.
just being honest, thats what i see every day in cryodiil.

If hyperbole wouldn't be the stylistic device of your choosing and if you would actually care for anything but your own point of view, it wouldn't be so hard to understand where the complaints stem from. I mean it's literally written all over this thread. Come on man, you aren't a stubborn teen anymore, it shouldn't be so hard to understand.

Sigma957 · September 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

Sigma957 wrote: »

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ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

And it also demands 2 slots, can be killed and has a cast time to resummon it. No issues, right?

Valrien · September 2018

XxCaLxX wrote: »

As long as I’m hitting 40k and have my 30k empowered ward on my petsorc I won’t be maining anything else. I do have a magblade that hits alil higher but no where near the survivability as my sorc.

Magblade heals as it does DPS tho

Valrien · September 2018

Sigma957 wrote: »

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ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

You can't be serious right?

Heimpai · September 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

When you go black markets/discords many magic sorcs are selling their accounts. I think its against TOS. Just go out and see it for yourself.

Its high time to ask for class change token to retain players. After all ZOs care about their game instead of appeasing NBs & DKS. Noob night-blades never care about the game. All they need more cheese after cheese in every patch. ZOs is made of deaf ears.

Many MMOs are giving it for free every 6 months.

Hmm i care about the game and I’m a noob NB

D0PAMINE · September 2018

I only play my MagSorc when I need to do trials. It's still one of my most reliable builds and sustain for me isn't even as close to how difficult Stamplar sustain is.

leepalmer95 · September 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i see sorcerers kill whole groups of people within seconds.
i see sorcerer RACE to and RUN to kill people in zergs.
so im having alot of trouble understanding how anyone could say sorcerers are weak. especially with that high damage insta busts coupled with thier unkillable shield stacking.
just being honest, thats what i see every day in cryodiil.

Mag sorcs as a class is a great noob killer but vs anyone who isn't completely clueless struggle because their burst is so easy to counter because it's telegraphed, it's also quite easy to survive it now or dodge it completely.

I wish people would stop saying 'unkillable' shield stacking because out of every pvp defence in this game (roll dodge builds, tanky heavy mitigation builds and shield builds) shields are by far the weakest.

I have never found an 'unkillable sorc' and if you could point me to a video where a mag sorc's isn't surviving because the 4 people on them are useless that would be great.

Honestly all it takes it too put a few dots on them and time burst.

Hal_Moore · September 2018

I can't help but notice a lot of people that do compare mag sorc to other classes often compare them to stamina versions of the classes.

Stam vs Mag I think mag is harder to play in cyrodiil in general.

Lylith · September 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

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Sigma957 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

And it also demands 2 slots, can be killed and has a cast time to resummon it. No issues, right?

and likes to hang up on objects and is very often NOT where you need it to be.

btw, you have to three-bar the goddamned thing, too.

Malamar1229 · September 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Just went back to PvE on my Sorc because PvP sucks so bad. Now I discover that I have to heavy attack every 6 seconds just to sustain long enough to kill a 3M dummy.

ZOS, buff Sorcs before it's too late!

Reroll like the rest of us Em

I pvp open world with amber and shackle now, prob one of the most optimized setups available to 1vX. However as you mention its bad, yes.

Sigma957 · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

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Sigma957 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

You can't be serious right?

Can easily get 20K+ heal out of it in pve by one press of a button and in pvp can do 10k+ so yes very serious. You pop a shield on yuorself and it goes on the pet as well, heal yourself, some one else + plus the pet

edit- Run with necropotence set and your magicka is up to 50k or more.

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

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Valrien wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

You can't be serious right?

Can easily get 20K+ heal out of it in pve by one press of a button and in pvp can do 10k+ so yes very serious. You pop a shield on yuorself and it goes on the pet as well, heal yourself, some one else + plus the pet

edit- Run with necropotence set and your magicka is up to 50k or more.

Still conveniently ignoring all the drawbacks. At least you tried.

Waffennacht · September 2018

Let me ask all of you this:

When was NB a bottom tier class?

ak_pvp · September 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

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jabrone77 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Aren't you a nightblade main?

No sir. I main sorc. I just don't agree it's all doom and gloom. My nightblade is a rarely used PvE tank.

It's strange. I come to these forums talking about how sorcs are in a good place, how they are still fine, and generally saying good things about the class. And who jumps on me?

Other sorcs.

You have to understand, I'm just tired of the crying. I go out into Cyrodiil or battlegrounds and get far more kills than deaths. Isn't that what matters? What does pointing fingers at other classes do for us except make us look like whiners and cry babies? There's hardly any constructive discussion, it's all frothing at the mouth, blaming other classes, and tears.
Anytime someone says sorcs are fine, the inevitable response is "yeah, but nightblades..."
It's old.
I'm done discussing my class with players who don't see reason, and just want to bring others down, and why? Because they were overperforming, admittedly by other sorcs as well, so I'm told. Last time I brought up rune cage sorcs screamed at me "We told Zos it was overperforming!!" So, I'm done.

Have you considered:
that you get far more kills than deaths because you are better than most of the people you are playing against

that you get far more kills than deaths because you are playing a potent offensive class that generally is positioned behind other players and thus is usually safe from danger while racking up kills

that people play this game to have fun, and fun is not necessarily a function of kill to death ratio

How else can we measure sorcerer effectiveness without comparing it to the context of other classes? That's not necessarily finger pointing. Kill to death ratio isn't at all a very reliable tool at all because zerg-surfing and spamming endless fury does not make a class strong.

I don't main a sorcerer, but I play one, and regardless of what kill:death ratio I get, it is very hard to argue that the feel and gameplay of a sorcerer has not fundamentally changed in the past year and a half. If someone fell in love with ESO because of how their sorcerer main played - which is a very different thing from raw power - it is easy to see where their complaints are coming from. And it also hard to argue that somehow the new different gameplay is an improvement, when the options are fewer and the developers keep going back and forth trying to figure out how to replace something that was a class-defining skill in crystal fragments.

Sorc players are going to get defensive when non-sorc players also froth at the mouth and tell them they need to git gud and their class is the real victims of ZoS's nerfs.

There is a difference between asking for fair and logical buffs and the drivel of "sorc (or other class) is literally dead I am going to play [insert FOTM here] it's sooooo easy and needs nerfs." which this post is.

Have you seen that priaskarsk guy? All he does is cry for nerfs, even last patch when sorc was top 3. He was the one I was referring to about the DK/NB stuff.

Have you seen the nerf fossilize thread which conveniently appeared when sorcs got rune nerfed and not for the entire duration it has existed prior.

As one of the most popular classes in game, magsorc inadvertently has a lot of those players who don't only want to be best, but every one else to be bad.

ezio45 · September 2018

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what are the 2 strongest heals we have? and resto obviously requires the resto staff, which is an insane gimp to be be saddled with when ever other class has class heals, nbs and dks have it as their spammable for god sakes

The twilight pet has some of the strongest burst heals in game, not only does it heal you but another person as well.

You can't be serious right?

Can easily get 20K+ heal out of it in pve by one press of a button and in pvp can do 10k+ so yes very serious. You pop a shield on yuorself and it goes on the pet as well, heal yourself, some one else + plus the pet

edit- Run with necropotence set and your magicka is up to 50k or more.

all good if your a pet sorc, but there is half of the sorc pop not using or wanting to use them