If you all are pissed enough at lack of sustain then get a petition going to tell Wrobel to bring back the sustainability he nerfed when they removed magicka and stamina cost reduction in the Thief Champion Points after Morrowind launched.

Universe wrote: »

Currently, playing a magicka sorcerer in PVP is more difficult than ever before.
Though it is still manageable if timing the rotation right and by running a very strong sustain build.
PVE wise, magicka sorcerer is more decent but it still lacks great deal of DPS compared to other classes/builds.
We can only hope that ZOS will improve the class in update 20, but based on past history of changes to the Sorcerer class it is unlikely that they will.

mDKs had to endure a whole year after Morrowind as one of the worst dps classes in terms of sustain, before they were made viable again after Summerset. My guess is just wait until the next expansion of ESO launches in a year.

Vaelen wrote: »

If you all are pissed enough at lack of sustain then get a petition going to tell Wrobel to bring back the sustainability he nerfed when they removed magicka and stamina cost reduction in the Thief Champion Points after Morrowind launched.

From the official cumminity rules thread:

"Petitions and Protests: We do not allow petitions or protests on our forums. Due to the fact that both promote the use of demands and replies that consist of “/signed” or little else, we feel that neither encourage nor allow for meaningful and constructive discussion. Instead of using a petition or protest, we recommend presenting your thoughts as a request or suggestion so everyone in the community can discuss it."

Just wait for harness and ele drain nerfs and good luck completing cyro quests to kill sorcs

Well...I main a sorc, have played since launch. My wife and I both un-subbed and now I have $30 more a month! I seriously can’t believe I was paying that much for a craft bag. I had no problem paying...but...
Just read the forums...

Lag
Nerfs
Lag

I honestly haven’t looked back, nor have the other 4 people I normally play with. All of my friends seemed to quit at the same time...one month ago.

Let’s see...one was a NB, one a DK, I am a sorc, my wife a warden, and the other a Templar.

And so I think...

Maybe, just maybe it doesn’t matter what class you play as long as the game is fun. Maybe, just maybe QOL and lag is the problem. For the love of all that’s good in the world, WHY CANT I HAVE TWO CHAMPION POINT LOADOUTS FOR PVP AND PVE in ESOplus?

Btw- Destiny 2 just doubled by bank space for FREE...just saying...

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Sorry to burst your bubble. But those opponents there are not high MMR. They are averages that you find in every low skill match. Unless if this truly is considered high skill on consoles..... it certainly is not here.

I'm not saying Sorcerer is useless or anything. Just that this match there, shows nothing. Because the enemies were not competent.

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Mag Sorcs finally getting nerfs and now they want to complain, try playing anything else for the past 2 years.

Finally? They've been getting nerfed heavily since launch

Where tf have you been?

Classes always go through buff and nerf cycles, some day, just like Excalibur, the sorc will rise again from the lake.

The one thing that I do get out of this whole thing is ZoS is missing out on a huge revenue stream from class change tokens. Some people don't seem to like leveling and unlocking skill lines for alts, or just don't want to let go of their achievement progress. For them it seems to be something they are willing to quit over and not only could ZoS make money selling tokens, but they could retain revenue from those that feel they can't enjoy the game unless they play the strongest DD class.

jabrone77 wrote: »

I have to believe anyone who is a sorc complaining about quiting the class just isn't skilled at sorc. Plain and simple.
If you have skill, where's your screen shots? Where's your videos showing your skill?
Ah, but that's the thing, isn't it. If you show you're skilled at sorc, it's hard to say it's underperforming and needs buffs, isn't it? Hard to say sorc isn't good when you're showing yourself preforming well on it, right? So, enjoy that corner you've painted yourself into.

I've said enough on this topic. I'm sad and embarrassed for my fellow sorc players.

Plenty of people already do. The problem is that most of the proof most players are able to show is them 1vXing noobs.

Against a skilled player, Sorc just isn't good. Shields take full unmitigated damage, and even without crits that's a TON of damage so they're very easy to burst down.

Here's all the flaws with Sorc:
-Shields take full damage and only last 6 seconds AND are expensive. It's pretty easy to keep the pressure on a sorc

-The burst combo is pretty alright but it's so easy for other people to mess it up...and if it gets messed up you're not getting any kills with it. Then you have pretty much all the other classes who throw their DoTs and debuffs on you, spam their spammable, use their "big finisher" to seal the deal and GG.

-Lack of mobility/escape. Sorcs used to have this a la Bolt Escape, but ever since the nerf to it Sorcs can afford to use it maybe twice. And it's certainly not much of an escape when gap closer spam negates it entirely. Not many other classes have a ton of mobility, but my issue is that Sorc used to be THE mobility class and it feels like that part of our identity was stripped away.

-SUSTAIN. Probably the worst part of Sorc. They are legitimately the worst class in the game in terms fo sustain. It feels like I'm just out of MP constantly in both PvP and PvE. It's "kind of" always been this way, but the changes in MW made it more pronounced.

-No healing. Sorc pretty much relies on the restoration staff, and the heal that Sorcs most frequently use may not even always target them in Battlegrounds (and it never helps the person you healed because Healing Ward by itself does almost nothing...you need the other Sorc shields). Every class has some form of proper self healing whereas Sorcs just...don't

Overall, the absolute biggest problem I have with Sorc is that every patch they have a piece of their identity stripped away. As it is now, the class can be described as "nightblade, but worse" because that's almost what the playstyle feels like but without the sustain, mobility, escape, and burst. If I could change 3 things about Sorc, if would be these:
-Either buff shields, or add healing. I would prefer if Shields could add your full resistances or at least half of them onto the shield itself, and/or for ZOS to remove the Battle Spirit penalty on shields since they're far inferior to raw healing and raw damage is just too much for them. I would also prefer if shields lasted their original 20 seconds, or at least 10 seconds a la Empowered Ward.

-Remove the Streak nerf. This never needed to happen in the first place. Not even a little bit.

-Remove the Frags nerf. Give it back its full damage and its stun. At least people had asked for the Streak nerf. No one even asked for the Frags nerf. You just did it. This "hard-hitting abilities shouldn't stun" philosophy is negated by the fact that Dawnbreaker, Master Staff Flame Reach, Incap Strike, etc etc are still in the game. ZOS couldn't even bring themselves to remove the stun on Incap despite Wrobel's philosophy.

If those 3 major nerfs would be reverted, then at least Sorc would have a part of their identity back.

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

High MMR? Maybe on console but not so sure if i would say they are a good team. Most of them are not even capped cp, low pvp rank, they did not really play as grp nor do they have some kind of group setup with healer/support or call out ultis dumps.

If you meed a good group you really notice fast the limitation of mag sorcs and how powerful dawnbreaker dumps+spin2win is. Sorc is a solo class with almost no group support, only good single target and active defense. Shield spamming to survive = 0 damage or help for your grp and without shields you are a free kill.

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Valrien wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I have to believe anyone who is a sorc complaining about quiting the class just isn't skilled at sorc. Plain and simple.
If you have skill, where's your screen shots? Where's your videos showing your skill?
Ah, but that's the thing, isn't it. If you show you're skilled at sorc, it's hard to say it's underperforming and needs buffs, isn't it? Hard to say sorc isn't good when you're showing yourself preforming well on it, right? So, enjoy that corner you've painted yourself into.

I've said enough on this topic. I'm sad and embarrassed for my fellow sorc players.

Plenty of people already do. The problem is that most of the proof most players are able to show is them 1vXing noobs.

Against a skilled player, Sorc just isn't good. Shields take full unmitigated damage, and even without crits that's a TON of damage so they're very easy to burst down.

Here's all the flaws with Sorc:
-Shields take full damage and only last 6 seconds AND are expensive. It's pretty easy to keep the pressure on a sorc

-The burst combo is pretty alright but it's so easy for other people to mess it up...and if it gets messed up you're not getting any kills with it. Then you have pretty much all the other classes who throw their DoTs and debuffs on you, spam their spammable, use their "big finisher" to seal the deal and GG.

-Lack of mobility/escape. Sorcs used to have this a la Bolt Escape, but ever since the nerf to it Sorcs can afford to use it maybe twice. And it's certainly not much of an escape when gap closer spam negates it entirely. Not many other classes have a ton of mobility, but my issue is that Sorc used to be THE mobility class and it feels like that part of our identity was stripped away.

-SUSTAIN. Probably the worst part of Sorc. They are legitimately the worst class in the game in terms fo sustain. It feels like I'm just out of MP constantly in both PvP and PvE. It's "kind of" always been this way, but the changes in MW made it more pronounced.

-No healing. Sorc pretty much relies on the restoration staff, and the heal that Sorcs most frequently use may not even always target them in Battlegrounds (and it never helps the person you healed because Healing Ward by itself does almost nothing...you need the other Sorc shields). Every class has some form of proper self healing whereas Sorcs just...don't

Overall, the absolute biggest problem I have with Sorc is that every patch they have a piece of their identity stripped away. As it is now, the class can be described as "nightblade, but worse" because that's almost what the playstyle feels like but without the sustain, mobility, escape, and burst. If I could change 3 things about Sorc, if would be these:
-Either buff shields, or add healing. I would prefer if Shields could add your full resistances or at least half of them onto the shield itself, and/or for ZOS to remove the Battle Spirit penalty on shields since they're far inferior to raw healing and raw damage is just too much for them. I would also prefer if shields lasted their original 20 seconds, or at least 10 seconds a la Empowered Ward.

-Remove the Streak nerf. This never needed to happen in the first place. Not even a little bit.

-Remove the Frags nerf. Give it back its full damage and its stun. At least people had asked for the Streak nerf. No one even asked for the Frags nerf. You just did it. This "hard-hitting abilities shouldn't stun" philosophy is negated by the fact that Dawnbreaker, Master Staff Flame Reach, Incap Strike, etc etc are still in the game. ZOS couldn't even bring themselves to remove the stun on Incap despite Wrobel's philosophy.

If those 3 major nerfs would be reverted, then at least Sorc would have a part of their identity back.

Buff shields? Just how bad are you?

Sorcs have two of the strongest heals in the game. If that ain't enough, there's an entire skill line devoted to healing and it even comes with another cancerous stackable damage shield that heals you while hiding your gameplay deficiencies just like every sorc wants and expects.

As to reverting the streak nerf, I think that's fine.

But let's be fair, Sorc doesn't need any CCs. They are actually counter to the class identity. Sorc is about stacking incredible burst damage, while defending with powerful damage shields, it is not whatsoever a class that is or should be defined by crowd control.

Two strongest heals? LOL. Please, name them. Surge sucks in PvP, Blood Magic sucks, and Dark Conversion sucks. If you actually observed the class instead of just hating on it, you'd see that the Sorc shields get torn through like wet tissue. Honestly this response is appropriate though, because "buff shields" is considered as bad taking the name of God in vain.

Sorc is about stacking burst damage...but burst is easy to defend without locking it in. Sorc is the class that needs CC THE MOST.

Back to healing...DC would be good if:
1. Sorc had any way to sustain themselves since the MP cost is fairly hefty.
2. The heal from either Blood Magic or DC itself was bigger.
3. And if DC had no cast time.

So go ahead, give Sorc those buffs. I'd be happy but the forums would explode since Sorcs are never allowed to be buffed no matter how much they need it.

As for Surge. The issue is that your healing from Surge is based on crit...but you can't run a crit build because everyone runs crit resist, and it's not like there's such a thing as crit penetration so you're intentionally gimping yourself to gain a very small heal over time.

The main problem is that they cant separate PvP and PvE. It's annoying when someone tries to make a suggestion to PvE and everyone who plays PvP starts crying about how sorcs are too overpowered and killing them all the time and that their class is worse. Sometimes I feel sorcs cant have constructive forum threads because there are too many PvP players QQing so any constructive talk gets tossed out the window by the overwhelming feelings of butthurt.

In PvP my sorc does just fine.
In PvE my sorc is somewhat tolerable, but if achievements were account wide I sure as hell wouldn't be using it in PvE as there are much more entertaining classes to play

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ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

Notice how the OP didn't say he was going to change to Templar, Warden, or DK. I wonder which two classes are outshining the others...

I'd change my Sorc to a stam Warden, magicka DK, or a magicka Templar tbqh. I've always wanted to play those.

I have all three.

StamWarden's meta of DBoS, Shalks, execute combo for PVP is a little boring for me. I've tried it and it's just not my bag of chips. A lot of running around, building ultimate until you can combo burst.

MagDK is my favorite because you don't really spam anything in particular and you have to be flexible. It can be pretty difficult to play at times.

MagPlar is finally getting some love and I've been having a good time on my heavy armor "DarkPlar". Soulshine, Rattlecage, and Mighty Chudan pair up well and free up skill slots on my bar.