Giving Up On Sorc

ezio45

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

Sheezabeast

I’m genuinely curious, why do you think sorcs need to outshine NBs? NBs might be overtuned, but they each have their own utility and strengths. Why do you want to outdo them so bad?

Priyasekarssk

When you go black markets/discords many magic sorcs are selling their accounts. I think its against TOS. Just go out and see it for yourself.

Its high time to ask for class change token to retain players. After all ZOs care about their game instead of appeasing NBs & DKS. Noob night-blades never care about the game. All they need more cheese after cheese in every patch. ZOs is made of deaf ears.

Many MMOs are giving it for free every 6 months.

Emma_Overload

Just went back to PvE on my Sorc because PvP sucks so bad. Now I discover that I have to heavy attack every 6 seconds just to sustain long enough to kill a 3M dummy.

ZOS, buff Sorcs before it's too late!

Chilly-McFreeze

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I’m genuinely curious, why do you think sorcs need to outshine NBs? NBs might be overtuned, but they each have their own utility and strengths. Why do you want to outdo them so bad?

He doesn't say that. He says they are outshined by NBs in every aspect.

BTW I think NB needs to be the balancing bar for every class. But as it stands NBs are indeed "a tad" above them all.

ezio45

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I’m genuinely curious, why do you think sorcs need to outshine NBs? NBs might be overtuned, but they each have their own utility and strengths. Why do you want to outdo them so bad?

I dont I want sorcs to be on there lvl, nb is the goal for sorcs to hit

Hal_Moore

I hate to break it to you guys but sorcs are OP especially now with jewelry traits and the ability to transmute.

I got emp on my mag sorc. its fun. zergs suck. I got over it. You can too.

There are so many combos of armor that you can try out now it is ridiculous. I love mag sorc but then again i love all the classes so i may be biased.

Didgerion

Sorcs still doing not quite bad in non cp campaign. But every day I encounter more and more players that have extremely mobile stamina builds with incredible burst and sustain. Shields staking cannot hold the burst that stamina builds can pull out....I am ditching my mag-sorc as well..it is not suitable for solo open-world pvp anymore.. It will stay on the shelf until properly balanced.

Hal_Moore

I think a lot of the problems have to do with people being so used to cookie cutter builds instead of trying things that are outside of the box.

Mag Sorcs are fun to play in PVP and i've seeing mag sorcs take on an entire faction with just 3-4 of them.

Guess it depends on experience and willingness to theory craft new builds.

if it doesn't work out try something else. I see a lot of mag sorcs using builds they got from a youtube video or website and are disappointed when it doesn't work out.

Only thing I can say is Mag sorcs are OP in PVP

Victory or Sovngarde! Make every battle in #ESO a worthy one, even if you don’t prevail.

bloodthirstyvampire

Mag Sorcs finally getting nerfs and now they want to complain, try playing anything else for the past 2 years.

LukosCreyden

@Hal_Moore purposefully being incredibly vague is not going to fool anyone. MagSorc needs some adjustments, that is all.

TheHsN

I play mage sorc since beta,

in PVE,

Sorc now is the worst place with warden.
-No good sustain even on DPS DUMMY you need a healer guy to be able to test ur DPS
-Still no spamable skill of its own...and cost are very high
-no good self heal


in PVP

-They destroy shiled
-they destroy crystal frags - (again need another skill from another weapon tree to knockback )
-i guess it is the only class that has penalty to their GAP closer (streak)
-Rune cage is all useless now
-Even our finisher Mage wraths- It is so predictable and very easy to dodge (When u use all the time see MISSED)
-No self heal again need another weapon tree skill u need
-Then they nerf even power surge
-They nerf Destro ulti
-Thanks To ZOS SORC beacome a Kill Stealer ONLY


There are Noobs that cant kill sorc CRIES and with their words ZOS try to make balance...


Today im going to drop my Eso Subs and play another game till next 6 months if balance patch come as positive for SORC

Kel

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

oxygen_thief

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Mag Sorcs finally getting nerfs and now they want to complain, try playing anything else for the past 2 years.

class is ruined directly and indirectly. its much easer now to play stam/mana dk or stam nb. this classes can be soo tanky and deal a lot of damage in the same time that sorcs are utter garbage in comparison with them

Chilly-McFreeze

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@Hal_Moore purposefully being incredibly vague is not going to fool anyone. MagSorc needs some adjustments, that is all.

Was about to write that. He writes a lot for actually saying nothing specific.

Samadhi

ezio45 wrote: »

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Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb...

Shoulda just kept the crowns and stayed wood elf on a magicka nb, pumping ZOS with cash in order to chase the top performance per patch only serves to encourage lopsided class tuning

oxygen_thief

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR.

what? i doubt it is a high level mmr fight. i have never saw enemies with 5th pvp rank even with my low-mid tier. i already have the same rank on my new 26 lvl char. 800k of damage per 31 frag its a joke. it looks like it was a fight against noobs in med divines. yeah its good to spam abilities while your mates tank for you and take almost all inc damage. but when he was outnumbered the only thing he was able to do is a shieldstacking and running around a pillar. its so op nerf sorcs

Hal_Moore

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

Sustain on my sorc has never been an issue in PVP while i can't speak to pve. With the new jewelry traits and ability to transmute my heals are more powerful than ever. No other class has dark deal and nobody has crit heals from dmg or pet heal or heal from a skill line doing damage.

plus the option of a third skill bar. yea shield stacking sorcs are going to be a thing of the past and its about time. Sorcs as it stands are very very powerful in PVP and have been for a long time.

The problem seems to be a lack of theory crafting and trying new things.. at least in pvp.

here is a nice test for you: Run around cyrodill in light armor on a mag sorc and then try it on mag NB or mag templar or mag warden or even mag DK

Mag sorc is very survivable+does great damage and has mobility and great sustain.

If your cookie cutter build doesn't work because enough people know how to counter it maybe learn about what they are playing and counter their build.

Usually in pvp the problem is zergs not your class not being good enough.

Hal_Moore

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Awesome

Kel

oxygen_thief wrote: »

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jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR.

what? i doubt it is a high level mmr fight. i have never saw enemies with 5th pvp rank even with my low-mid tier. i already have the same rank on my new 26 lvl char. 800k of damage per 31 frag its a joke. it looks like it was a fight against noobs in med divines. yeah its good to spam abilities while your mates tank for you and take almost all inc damage. but when he was outnumbered the only thing he was able to do is a shieldstacking and running around a pillar. its so op nerf sorcs

Didn't say Nerf sorcs, did I ? I said all the crying is ridiculously out of control because one class out performs. I'm saying sorcs still are extremely good despite not being the top class. It's not even logical to pretend otherwise. Quiting on your class because it's not the top class is the most cry baby thing I've ever seen. It's absurd.
And this made me laugh...."only thing he was able to do is a shield stacking.."

Go ahead and please ignore for most of this video he isn't even around any teammates. Don't know where the comment his team is tanking for him comes from. He's alone for most of this fight.


Forums: "sorcs need shield stacking, it's our only defense!"
Also Forums: "ppfffgtt...all he could do when he was in trouble was shield stacking"


Great logic as always. Can't have that argument both ways. See... embarrassing.

TheHsN

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

if we want to prove something with videos i can post here 1000's videos of NB's making messacre while they are crying abut how NB'S week

i Can post video here DK make 1v10 and kill all of them while they were whining DK is the worst class in ESO for PVP

i can Post video Here About Templar That never die and get out between 20+ People without die and even take some kill still
and people cry outload that they leave game cuz Templar class died.

So u cant prove anything that one persons play on sorc in one video and took kills.

ArchMikem

I get my butt kicked by Sorcs and im no noob.

TheHsN

TheHsN wrote: »

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jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

if we want to prove something with videos i can post here 1000's videos of NB's making messacre while they are crying abut how NB'S week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_9GQ6eOdM

i Can post video here DK make 1v10 and kill all of them while they were whining DK is the worst class in ESO for PVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY50O0C3Xqs

i can Post video Here About Templar That never die and get out between 20+ People without die and even take some kill still
and people cry outload that they leave game cuz Templar class died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dSXCeCb7LE

So u cant prove anything that one persons play on sorc in one video and took kills.

Kel

TheHsN wrote: »

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jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

if we want to prove something with videos i can post here 1000's videos of NB's making messacre while they are crying abut how NB'S week

i Can post video here DK make 1v10 and kill all of them while they were whining DK is the worst class in ESO for PVP

i can Post video Here About Templar That never die and get out between 20+ People without die and even take some kill still
and people cry outload that they leave game cuz Templar class died.

So u cant prove anything that one persons play on sorc in one video and took kills.

Cool...I like how anytime a thing is said about sorcs, no one can actually address it without pointing fingers at another class. It's sad. You are proving my point with this post.
Again, he didn't kill steal or you didn't watch the video. No one had a high assist number, so no stolen kills. Do the math.

Again, I play a sorc, and it's embarrassing doing so well on it then come to the forums seeing players crying about one other class being better.
Tell me how it's not like a childlike tantrum?
Oh no..I posted actual proof. Still haven't seen any proof sorcs are trash...but please, keep the myth going in the hopes of getting buffs....lol

Siohwenoeht

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Mag Sorcs finally getting nerfs and now they want to complain, try playing anything else for the past 2 years.

@bloodthirstyvampire I completely agree with you but judging by the the repeat sorc posters in this thread you'd be better off banging your head against a wall. Just wait for the dueling tourney posts. They're priceless

Enslaved

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing magsorc since I started playing again after one tam, the state the class is in currently is just sad. Sorcs have been made into noob and nb killers in pvp and only shine in pve when it comes to killing large amounts of trash, even then we are arguably out shined by nightblades.

Our sustain is terrible. our burst in pvp is lower and slower than nbs, predictable easily blocked and healed through. heals are sub par to every single class. execute while strong in pvp (one of the FEW things that still gives this class a heartbeat) is weaker than nb in pve by alot. light armor and shield where sorcs find their strength are less favorable to every other class in heavy armor. pve damage and lighting damage are lower than nbs by 10-15k easily. we lack the set support for our class where nbs have sets that are all but tailor made for them with nbs getting a set to utilize every patch while sorcs are still in lambris, juli, necro, mothers sorrow (ill give you siroria is a plus).

Race changed my woodelf thief blade to a highelf mnb geared it out in purple and FIRST dps test I was hitting withing 4k of my highelf magsorc in fully gold gear that I have practiced the rotation of for over a year, while trying to squeeze every last bit of dps out of it.

I really hope update 20 lets gives me a reason to go back to my favorite class

I read this as sorc is not best class in ESO but 2nd best and that is why I will stop playing it.

Siohwenoeht

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i Can post video here DK make 1v10 and kill all of them while they were whining DK is the worst class in ESO for PVP

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Post that video and all you'll show are how 10 inexperienced folks (or folks who are not as good as they think they are) lose to 1 very good player. If a group of 10 has at least 1 player on the same level as that lone dk, that dk is dead.

As has been said before, superior numbers alone will not always win and that is the way it should be.

oxygen_thief

jabrone77 wrote: »

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oxygen_thief wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Posted in the other sorc thread, but make sense to post here as well...


Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR.

what? i doubt it is a high level mmr fight. i have never saw enemies with 5th pvp rank even with my low-mid tier. i already have the same rank on my new 26 lvl char. 800k of damage per 31 frag its a joke. it looks like it was a fight against noobs in med divines. yeah its good to spam abilities while your mates tank for you and take almost all inc damage. but when he was outnumbered the only thing he was able to do is a shieldstacking and running around a pillar. its so op nerf sorcs

Didn't say Nerf sorcs, did I ? I said all the crying is ridiculously out of control because one class out performs. I'm saying sorcs still are extremely good despite not being the top class. It's not even logical to pretend otherwise. Quiting on your class because it's not the top class is the most cry baby thing I've ever seen. It's absurd.
And this made me laugh...."only thing he was able to do is a shield stacking.."

Go ahead and please ignore for most of this video he isn't even around any teammates. Don't know where the comment his team is tanking for him comes from. He's alone for most of this fight.


Forums: "sorcs need shield stacking, it's our only defense!"
Also Forums: "ppfffgtt...all he could do when he was in trouble was shield stacking"


Great logic as always. Can't have that argument both ways. See... embarrassing.

no one wants to stack shields but when sorc is under decent pressure its the only thing he can do because without shileds he will be dead in 2 sec. its supid. today my new stam dk char was in a same situation but he ate all thier damage and killed them one by one.

mikemacon

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I main a magsorc.

A Breton magsorc, so I’m not even BiS.

I do pretty good.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

barney2525

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I’m genuinely curious, why do you think sorcs need to outshine NBs? NBs might be overtuned, but they each have their own utility and strengths. Why do you want to outdo them so bad?

Oh. That's rule # 147 of the Sooper Secret ESO Guide : All Sorcerers will outshine night blades, except in months beginning with the letter 'R".

Kel

I have to believe anyone who is a sorc complaining about quiting the class just isn't skilled at sorc. Plain and simple.
If you have skill, where's your screen shots? Where's your videos showing your skill?
Ah, but that's the thing, isn't it. If you show you're skilled at sorc, it's hard to say it's underperforming and needs buffs, isn't it? Hard to say sorc isn't good when you're showing yourself preforming well on it, right? So, enjoy that corner you've painted yourself into.

I've said enough on this topic. I'm sad and embarrassed for my fellow sorc players.