Today i harvested 1.4k in plat.. 1 .3 k rubinite spent hours grinding resources... Refines got 5 crom dust 4 purple and from rubinite 3 temp.. I cried... All those hours fighting for stone.

Fish not a single roe.

Trying to get enough to upgrade a ring....

Zoe needs to un-nerf the rares.

I get that it's supposed to be a little grindy. Gold jewelry has always been harder to obtain than gear. That's fine. There are only 3 jewelry slots, 8 armor slots so they should be more 'rare' as far as the mats go.

However I have spent a gross amount of time doing writs on all my chars and doing surveys since SS hit .Enough that i should be able to upgrade at least one item to gold, but even with them slashing the requirements in half, i still dont have enough.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Hal_Moore wrote: »

Once upon a time there was Vetran ranks and after hitting vr14 they released vr16... on top of that there was CP with no cap....

But you can't be bothered to grind some gold or mats because it takes you too long? 320k doesn't take more than a few hours to grind.

Just ask ZOS to give you and instant gratification easy button geez.

Lets say there is an issue with the OP, your response is exactly what you yourself are attempting to argue against. If the OP is at the extreme end of the spectrum, you're at the extreme end of the other side. No idea why so many people nowadays take a "it has to be either or" approach. There's a huge place in the middle, yet as your post proves, people chose to ignore it. Even more bizarrely, they choose to do it themselves when pointing out the same flaws.

Where did he or she state they wanted instant gratification? Please show me and others as I'm having difficulty finding where anyone mentioned they wanted instant gratification.

sure:

Eigh1_Puppies wrote: »

Please spread the word so ZOS acts. Make this the number one talk in the forums because something needs to be done. Lowering the amount to 4 plantings must only be the start. This is still by far the most intense grind in the game. It takes days of farming just to get a single piece gold or roughly 320k. Most players in this game, even the maxed CP players such as myself, do not have the time nor should require the patience for this crap. We have farmed enough. Make Jewelry crafting just like any other craft. This is still insanely ridiculous. Get rid of grains all together, and bump it back to 8 or even 10 plantings. Something. ANYTHING.

Pretty much saying that instead of doing a few hours of grinding to get enough gold to upgrade his jewelry he's saying something ANYTHING needs to be changed to accomidate him so he can have expensive things for less.

In this game the economy is what it is why should something I am trying to sell be devalued because some players don't want to pay me for my time?

As I was saying jewelry crafting is hardly anything compared to the grind most veteran players have done already. a lot of newer players get CP handed to them witch was not always the case. Even when VR16 came out the mats were super high priced and lucrative to sell and we had much of the same complaints then as we do now.

Gold jewelry prior to crafting was obtained by placing on trials leader boards and waiting a week to maybe get a piece you wanted and maybe have the right trait on it. or placing on pvp leaderboards and maybe getting something good. Then we got spoiled and now have the golden vendor. some of those gold jewelry prices touched over 1 million gold just for a ring.

Then there was the gear grind to get the right piece with the right trait.

Pretty much all the tedious in game grinds have been eliminated and this jewelry crafting thing is ridiculously easy compared to any of the old grinds... heck I think power leveling a toon is more time consuming then getting gold jewelry now.

We are being spoiled by ZOS with all these cool additions like jewelry crafting and the ability to change traits I just think instead of complaining about the lack of gold they have because they refuse to do a simple grind maybe a little bit of gratitude is in order and possibly asking for help making gold.

Jewelry crafting is not broken I think the grind is fine the way it is and if it seems hard to some people i think purple jewelry has slightly less stats and will do just fine till you can afford to upgrade to gold. No need for instant gratification .

Eigh1_Puppies wrote: »

Please spread the word so ZOS acts. Make this the number one talk in the forums because something needs to be done. Lowering the amount to 4 plantings must only be the start. This is still by far the most intense grind in the game. It takes days of farming just to get a single piece gold or roughly 320k. Most players in this game, even the maxed CP players such as myself, do not have the time nor should require the patience for this crap. We have farmed enough. Make Jewelry crafting just like any other craft. This is still insanely ridiculous. Get rid of grains all together, and bump it back to 8 or even 10 plantings. Something. ANYTHING.

When the game first launched I thought the Devs listened to the complainer way to much; however, now it seems they have stopped listening. They are clearly not going to listen until enough people leave the game, which is not good for anyone. The constant grind for one piece of gold Jewelry plating. The hours you have to spend traveling from trader to trader for one item. Not to mention the lack of being able to sell with out a top trading guild. This is an MMO we expect to grind the best in slots gear, we expect a grind to get to max level. We also expect to be able to craft and make money without having to depend on our guild to keep top spots in order for us to sell on a consistent bases.

For every gamer we have things to do in real life and can't dedicate 8 hours a day to a game. I actually spent 4 hours running around farming the other day and didn't even get enough to craft one gold ring. For a casual gamer that would mean it could take months to upgrade or craft gear that's not even best in slot. If you choose to buy the mats instead, expect again to spend hours going from trader to trader to get the best price. Forget playing if you run a trading guild or if you have limited time each week because you will spend every minute running around instead of grouping up and playing the game. Or forget being a good seller and just get in random groups over and over because so many guilds are focused on getting a traders that have no ceiling on how much they cost for a single week.

Hopefully someone fixes the issues before another top MMO gets released.

reminder. upgrade materials are not just used for jewelry. they are also used for crafting furniture. reminder, green, blue and purple platings are ALSO a pain. blue and purple jewelry has never been exclusive or difficult to get. platings - still are.
becasue of that - jewelry crafting master writs on average are 5 times as expensive to craft than other master writs (that's on average. there are alchemy writs that are dirt cheap to craft, and there are certain nirnhorned weapon writs that cost about a third of what cheaper JC writs cost). which makes them not worth crafting. I've mostly been deleting mine, I can't even bring myself to donate most of them to guild.

and don't get me started on deconstructing jewelry that gives you a.. chance. not a guarantee. a CHANCE. to get.. not a full plating. a grain, which is one tenth of a plating.

jewelry crafting is STILL broken.

its not just about gold jewelry folks. ffs

tmbrinks wrote: »

I agree on the master writs, not worth doing. I did one for 400+ vouchers, mostly for the achievement

purple jewelry is so easy to get to decon though... there's a half dozen sources. an hour of work, and you can have 10-20 purple rings to decon... seems reasonable to me.

its not compared to the rest of the professions. which is THE WHOLE POINT. getting all the other gear to decon is just as easy as jewelry. but when I decon other gear, I get a full upgrade mat. when I decon jewelry - I get a grain. so in the same time it would take me to farm up, say 20 mastic.. i might, MIGHT get 2 purple platings.

and you are still not seeing an issue?

You could get rid of grains... however,

1. reduce current drop rates by 50%
2. go back to 2, 3, 4, 8, platings needed for upgrade
3. drop master writ values for jewelry by 50%

that might be sustainable. would probably still kill the golden vendor, but vet trials would still be profitable

tmbrinks wrote: »

nope. no issue. if jewelry crafting was as you say, vet trials would be worthless, and the golden vendor would be worthless.

oh for god's sakes. 1. they would not be worthless. 2 ITS NOT SOLELY ABOUT GOLD JEWELRY

it needs

to be

on PAR with other crafts.

somehow other crafting professions didn't make vet trials and vet dungeons worthless. making jewelry slightly less of a pain? is not going to do that either. bringing up master writs to the point where they are ON PAR in terms of worth to craft with other master writs? is not going to make trials and dungeons worthless.

and last but not least. MAKING JEWELRY CRAFTING FURNISHINGS LESS OF A PAIN. is not going to make dungeons and trials worthless.

its not even about time investment. its about UNREASONABLY MORE PROLONGED COMPARED TO OTHER CRAFTING PROFESSIONS. investment.

Linaleah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

nope. no issue. if jewelry crafting was as you say, vet trials would be worthless, and the golden vendor would be worthless.

oh for god's sakes. 1. they would not be worthless. 2 ITS NOT SOLELY ABOUT GOLD JEWELRY

it needs

to be

on PAR with other crafts.

somehow other crafting professions didn't make vet trials and vet dungeons worthless. making jewelry slightly less of a pain? is not going to do that either. bringing up master writs to the point where they are ON PAR in terms of worth to craft with other master writs? is not going to make trials and dungeons worthless.

and last but not least. MAKING JEWELRY CRAFTING FURNISHINGS LESS OF A PAIN. is not going to make dungeons and trials worthless.

its not even about time investment. its about UNREASONABLY MORE PROLONGED COMPARED TO OTHER CRAFTING PROFESSIONS. investment.

I'm just gonna guess you weren't playing at launch, when Alloys/Rosin/Wax/Kuta were rare, and their prices were similarly high to the current cost of platings.

You also need between 6-7.33x as many Alloys/Rosin/Wax/Kuta as you need platings (9-11 weapon/gear slots vs 3 jewelry, and 2x because only need 1/2 the platings), so having the extra 10:1 in there is only a 30 or 40% increase over the other crafts... still not seeing a problem.

I'll admit, I don't craft stuff for houses... I can't even decorate my IRL house, why the hell would I do it in game? lol... However, 95% of the responses to this problem in the now hundreds of threads seem to primarily focus on the jewelry aspect, which is why I am.

As somebody said earlier... it's built for the long term, it took 4 years for the other markets to get to this point. Let's not rush to judgement after only 5 months.

firedrgn wrote: »

320 k to gold thats not bad actually .. i dont think its that cheap tho

agreed. 320k to gold out what you want to gold out... or you can play RNG and possibly get it at the golden for 150k/250k or you could wait 6 months for it to show up

On PC/NA, it's more like 280k though... 70k for a plating

Im not even all that worried about the gold stuff. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PURPLE JEWELRY IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
As it stands it's just not even worth crafting past blue...

Farm dolmens and decon the green/blue/purple jewellery you can get to get the matching colour platings.

Use TTC to search for cheap yellow jewellery and decon that too.

Use AP to buy the cheaper gold jewellery from the golden vendor at weekends - decon it.