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Bot accounts all getting 100k?
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Bot accounts have all ready broken the in game economy now the game will be pointless as botters have 100s of accounts and will make gold useless.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Do you have any evidence to back up this analysis?
Because bots have accounts and if they log in for 28 days they get a free 100k per account?
Is this a trick question or something?
I don't really think it's a HUGE deal but I do think ZOS is doing the equivalent of "printing more money" and shoving it into the economyEdited by Valrien on August 27, 2018 5:04PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭I’m making 20+ new accounts... they’re free on Xbox after allEdited by Lexxypwns on August 27, 2018 5:05PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've been seeing far fewer bots around these days.
I imagine Crown gifting has put a bit of a dent in their operations.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you have any evidence to back up this analysis?
Because bots have accounts and if they log in for 28 days they get a free 100k per account?
Is this a trick question or something?
I don't really think it's a HUGE deal but I do think ZOS is doing the equivalent of "printing more money" and shoving it into the economy
No, not a trick question. Genuinely curious if anyone has actual evidence that botting has ‘already broken the in game economy’ and what the impact would actually be here.
I hate bots, but no one outside of Zenimax could run the numbers to know what their actual impact is, as far as I’m aware. Does the OP have a data set they can analyze to prove their claims (well, the claims that aren’t obviously subjective anyway)? I could see this hurting gold sellers and botters too... I have no idea what direction the data would go without actual data.1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Do you have any evidence to back up this analysis?
Because bots have accounts and if they log in for 28 days they get a free 100k per account?
Is this a trick question or something?
I don't really think it's a HUGE deal but I do think ZOS is doing the equivalent of "printing more money" and shoving it into the economy
No, not a trick question. Genuinely curious if anyone has actual evidence that botting has ‘already broken the in game economy’ and what the impact would actually be here.
I hate bots, but no one outside of Zenimax could run the numbers to know what their actual impact is, as far as I’m aware. Does the OP have a data set they can analyze to prove their claims (well, the claims that aren’t obviously subjective anyway)? I could see this hurting gold sellers and botters too... I have no idea what direction the data would go without actual data.
They don't have a huge impact on the economy, but they DO impact the economy.
I honestly think asking for data on something so easy to observe is, quite frankly, nonsense. It's like asking for data on why fire burns you. Because...it's hot?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Not to mention that, all things considered, if you can't make 100k in 30 days, you're reeeeeeeally not trying. Farm a bunch of mats. Sell stacks of alch; refine ww/bs/cloth and sell tempers. At the very least, steal a bunch and sell at a fence. You can get to 100k in two days do that easily.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They don't have a huge impact on the economy, but they DO impact the economy.
I honestly think asking for data on something so easy to observe is, quite frankly, nonsense.
How is this easy to observe? Most of the data you would need to evalute these sorts of statements would be hard to gather or is straight up unavailable to players.
Does anyone here do science?
Edited by Starlock on August 27, 2018 5:38PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You don’t need data to understand the bots impact, just common sense
But you do need data to undergand the precise magnitude of that impact. That’s what I’m curious about. I watch the company basically not do crap about the botpocalypse, and wonder if that is because the impact is low... or they can’t be bothered to do their jobs. I don’t know which it is... or maybe something else entirely.3 -
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AFAIK, it’s unlimited. I’ve got more than 5 accounts right now, but I do own a few copies of the game, for the purpose of playing on multiple consoles at once.2 -
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✭✭✭They don't have a huge impact on the economy, but they DO impact the economy.
I honestly think asking for data on something so easy to observe is, quite frankly, nonsense.
How is this easy to observe? Most of the data you would need to evalute these sorts of statements would be hard to gather or is straight up unavailable to players.
Does anyone here do science?
Do you even common sense? With bots farming thousands of materials per day and putting those right into the economy, it's going to reduce the cost of the items.
Basic supply and demand, the same type of stuff you learn in middle school and high schoolValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Whole bits have not actually trashed the economy this thread is a makes a great point.
Bots hack the game to get their accounts. They already steal from the start. Now they’re getting a reward and as such probably hacking more accounts to get more free gold.
Hadn’t thought about this I’ll effect and the idea does not make sense.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They don't have a huge impact on the economy, but they DO impact the economy.
I honestly think asking for data on something so easy to observe is, quite frankly, nonsense.
How is this easy to observe? Most of the data you would need to evalute these sorts of statements would be hard to gather or is straight up unavailable to players.
Does anyone here do science?
Do you even common sense? With bots farming thousands of materials per day and putting those right into the economy, it's going to reduce the cost of the items.
Basic supply and demand, the same type of stuff you learn in middle school and high school
Yes but the point still remains that none of us actually have a grasp on the magnitude of the impact, that isn’t based in wild speculation.
Bots basically do 2 things. First, they increase the amount of materials in the market. This is an increase in supply and in isolation will lower the cost of said goods in the market place.
Second they generate gold. Some of this is a transfer of wealth from players that already have gold and buy their mats, that gold is then redistributed to players that buy gold. They also actually bring gold into the economy every time they do an activity that generates new currency, killing a mob, etc.
The redistribution of wealth can have varied implications in the market. If you presume it is coming from wealthy players buying mats and going to poor players, buying gold, you could argue that you are increasing overall demand which would actually drive prices up as their are more players in the market. As to the new currency in the game, that essentially boils down to inflation which also makes prices go up.
Point is that bots can have both an upward and downward impact on commodity prices. Without a lot of info that none of us have, it is impossible to access the magnitude of either. It’s easy to say, it’s basic supply and demand, but that assumes that you understand that sometimes things can simultaneously affect both, in which case you need more info to understand what it will do to prices.
In other news, I would love to know the average lifespan of a bot account. Do they even make it 30 days on average? I honestly have no idea.8 -
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If it's acutally useless, you are more than welcome to send it to me. If I see my mailbox remain empty, I will assume it has some value to you and you've chosen to keep it. That's over 150 crown crates worth of gold right there if you have nothing else to spend it on.Edited by redspecter23 on August 27, 2018 7:31PM13 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »
If it's acutally useless, you are more than welcome to send it to me. If I see my mailbox remain empty, I will assume it has some value to you and you've chosen to keep it. That's over 150 crown crates worth of gold right there if you have nothing else to spend it on.
Honestly this.
People say "Oh this sh*t's so worthless to me" but they'll never pony up and prove it because it's not actually worthless to them.
TBH if I had a ton of money and nothing to spend it on, I would just buy crown crates.
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✭For me the gold is a measure of accomplishment, but there is nothing of value that you need gold to get if you just play the game.
As for the 100k reward at the end of the month. Doing the writs on one character every day will net you nearly 140k in a month, just from the turn in reward.
How are you buying crown crates with gold?Edited by Soleya on August 27, 2018 8:14PM0 -
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Useless?
In that case you should go ahead and mail me a couple million.I play this game a little bit I guess4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »They don't have a huge impact on the economy, but they DO impact the economy.
I honestly think asking for data on something so easy to observe is, quite frankly, nonsense.
How is this easy to observe? Most of the data you would need to evalute these sorts of statements would be hard to gather or is straight up unavailable to players.
Does anyone here do science?
Do you even common sense? With bots farming thousands of materials per day and putting those right into the economy, it's going to reduce the cost of the items.
Basic supply and demand, the same type of stuff you learn in middle school and high school
Yes but the point still remains that none of us actually have a grasp on the magnitude of the impact, that isn’t based in wild speculation.
Bots basically do 2 things. First, they increase the amount of materials in the market. This is an increase in supply and in isolation will lower the cost of said goods in the market place.
Second they generate gold. Some of this is a transfer of wealth from players that already have gold and buy their mats, that gold is then redistributed to players that buy gold. They also actually bring gold into the economy every time they do an activity that generates new currency, killing a mob, etc.
The redistribution of wealth can have varied implications in the market. If you presume it is coming from wealthy players buying mats and going to poor players, buying gold, you could argue that you are increasing overall demand which would actually drive prices up as their are more players in the market. As to the new currency in the game, that essentially boils down to inflation which also makes prices go up.
Point is that bots can have both an upward and downward impact on commodity prices. Without a lot of info that none of us have, it is impossible to access the magnitude of either. It’s easy to say, it’s basic supply and demand, but that assumes that you understand that sometimes things can simultaneously affect both, in which case you need more info to understand what it will do to prices.
In other news, I would love to know the average lifespan of a bot account. Do they even make it 30 days on average? I honestly have no idea.
Yup. This is basically what I'm curious about. So-called "common sense" is frequently wrong, which is why I prefer to avoid making assumptions and going with what the hard data tells us. We don't have that data, and the OP doesn't seem keen on providing any, so we don't really have a clear picture of the situation. That said, I don't get the impression that the OP is interested in sound analysis and fact-based statements... they wanted to rant. I figure maybe, just maybe, someone in the community has actually done the analysis to prove exactly what sort of impact botting has on the virtual economy of ESO. I suppose it was something of a long shot of a request. -_-4 -
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✭✭✭For me the gold is a measure of accomplishment, but there is nothing of value that you need gold to get if you just play the game.
As for the 100k reward at the end of the month. Doing the writs on one character every day will net you nearly 140k in a month, just from the turn in reward.
How are you buying crown crates with gold?
Pay people to gift you crown crates, basicallyValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Nayawin14✭✭✭People say "Oh this sh*t's so worthless to me" but they'll never pony up and prove it because it's not actually worthless to them.
You are right! It's not useless, it's simply not vital
Bot accounts have all ready broken the in game economy now the game will be pointless as botters have 100s of accounts and will make gold useless.
If gold were made totally useless, then it would means that basically everyone could buy everything that sells for gold + "pony up" and make 10M donations to our friends here that asked for it (but those donations would be pointless though...)
There is no economy in this game.
To believe so is foolish.
Protip: if a chest respaws with gold, and you didn't see anyone put the gold in the chest, there is no economy.
There is an economy. Yeah, maybe chests do not re-spawn in a realistic way (or erosion is damn fast on Nirn...). Or maybe there are Ringtails trained to bring the gold back to the chests in a very discrete way - So you didn't notice it
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✭✭✭✭✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »
That is exactly what I do with gold and mats. One of my favorite things to do is craft a bunch of level 10 training gear in hundings and Julianos and pass it out in stonefalls. I always do it on free to play weekends. I have also met several people while leveling alts, and dont hesitate to make them some gear and perhaps give them a little something to get them started. A lot of them burn out around the 200 CP mark, but a few have made it all the way to the cap. Got to plant a lot of seeds if you want something to grow.
Gold is definitely not useless in this game. It is worth less and less each day due to inflation, and if nothing else, this policy is certainly going to increase inflation, but even people with hundreds of millions typically dont just give it away. I am well into the 8 figure territory, and I still shop around if I am looking for anything that costs more than about 5k. There is generally an inverse correlation between accumulating gold and reckless spending. Haha.
Also, if people are mailing out millions of gold, add me to the list!Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on August 27, 2018 8:49PM4 -
yurimodin✭✭✭the gold is just going to get sunk into the guild trader system anyway.......granted this might be the push I need to finally buy the Sleek Creek House since I am slumming it in the starter apartments since I would rather sit on the gold.0
