cyrodill rant

gp1680 · August 2018

Event over...crashing continues. @ZOS_GinaBruno any chance we get some type of response before the summers out?

terrannova · August 2018

gp1680 wrote: »

Event over...crashing continues. @ZOS_GinaBruno any chance we get some type of response before the summers out?

According to the last eso live they had nothing more to add , rather than event went well, performance-wise.. soooo uhm yea

burglar · August 2018

terrannova wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

This thread will get you agrees not hate. Why would it get hate? Never saw someone defend cyrodiils performance issues

bro most people here either want to be friendly till death with zos and comfort every single developer to the point that they will support them by insulting other forum members. It disgusts me. Also those kind of posts never get any attention cause of the point i stated at first.Everyone knows the problem but they avoid to confront it and support the complaints untill people are long gone and problems are gone along with the players.

I'm one of those people, who tend to stick up for developers, but not in a case like yours where you're giving constructive criticism - I support that, it only makes their product better. But when people say weird, mean stuff like they don't know how to code, it's just like... really? It's just mean, discouraging, and probably frustrates them when people say things about their competence, or that they don't care. There are two big things that stand out to me in regards to what effected the quality of the game overall; I think they bit off more than they could chew by including so many platforms, and different languages; changing from the sub based model, to the free-to-play after purchase model, which may have made them more frugal about making big changes.

I'm guessing the reason they don't just go out and buy new servers is because the time-frame in which all of this lag occurs makes up too small a portion of the day to warrant new servers - especially if the population is dwindling. You could try and convince them that if they improved cyrodiil the game would attract people, but if they haven't done it yet, either ZOS, or Bethesda have found some reason to postpone the upgrade, or to not do it. They might even be contracted to use a particular set of servers for a specific amount of time. There are lots of things that can make upgrading this stuff really difficult.

Maybe ZOS should just make a pvp server

terrannova · August 2018

ProbablePaul wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

This thread will get you agrees not hate. Why would it get hate? Never saw someone defend cyrodiils performance issues

bro most people here either want to be friendly till death with zos and comfort every single developer to the point that they will support them by insulting other forum members. It disgusts me. Also those kind of posts never get any attention cause of the point i stated at first.Everyone knows the problem but they avoid to confront it and support the complaints untill people are long gone and problems are gone along with the players.

I'm one of those people, who tend to stick up for developers, but not in a case like yours where you're giving constructive criticism - I support that, it only makes their product better. But when people say weird, mean stuff like they don't know how to code, it's just like... really? It's just mean, discouraging, and probably frustrates them when people say things about their competence, or that they don't care. There are two big things that stand out to me in regards to what effected the quality of the game overall; I think they bit off more than they could chew by including so many platforms, and different languages; changing from the sub based model, to the free-to-play after purchase model, which may have made them more frugal about making big changes.

I'm guessing the reason they don't just go out and buy new servers is because the time-frame in which all of this lag occurs makes up too small a portion of the day to warrant new servers - especially if the population is dwindling. You could try and convince them that if they improved cyrodiil the game would attract people, but if they haven't done it yet, either ZOS, or Bethesda have found some reason to postpone the upgrade, or to not do it. They might even be contracted to use a particular set of servers for a specific amount of time. There are lots of things that can make upgrading this stuff really difficult.

Maybe ZOS should just make a pvp server

I agree for the most part. Thing is they dont want to improve server performance for the cost of course. They are scared spending money when they dont expect people to stay in this game.
I mean they dropped 5k players only on steam accounts(number should be higher overall) since summerset released. Which means people bought or reinstalled the game to try it and they didnt like it.

So they seem to be happy achieving those numbers they currently have, so theres no need for any upgrade. Just keep pushing out new content to keep regulars happy and income flowing. Pvp doesnt bring in any money, but drives people out of the game. Thats why they try to patch things without an overall change. But if pve people are happy its fine.

The logic im getting is that theres no need for an upgrade cause its a risk, even though they will get the money back. All of those cause the player base is low and can be sustained with low resources. Either way this game could be huge,but execution and perormance feels way too cheap.

One last thought is that cyro lag could be a matter of cp points clustered with that big amount of players. Ther was an effort to fix it by adjusting how server calculates a number of passives when summerset arrived i think, but didnt work at all. So maybe if cp were taken out maybe it could go back to the golden days people talk about. No lag at all in huge fights at early launch days

Shantu · August 2018

Not trying to downplay anyone's connection issues or shift any blame, but there are a lot of things between your network connection and the server that can result in a degradation of performance. I spent a LOT of hours in PVP during the recent Mayhem event connected via 7-day Shor, which nearly always at max capacity. Apart from an occasional slow loading screen and stutter in game play, I experience very little in the way of connection issues, and I participated in many huge battles that were simply awesome. The only issue that really got to me was the sprint bug (a matter raised in a different thread).

I know it's frustrating as hell to deal with drop connections and unplayable lag, but I'm not convinced its strictly a matter of ZOS and their servers. My bet there are probably many more who have little in the way of these issues who feel no need to post in the forum about anything.

shaielzafine · August 2018

LiquidPony wrote: »

I don't really PvP ...

Popped into NA Vivec today just to get my AP for the Transmute Crystals, get a PUG group, ride across the map, get to the keep under siege ... DC immediately, log back in, stuck in a load screen, DC again ... log back in, port to the closest keep, stuck in a load screen, DC again ... eventually get back in right as the tick pops, totally miss it.

OK, on to the next fight ... stuck in a load screen porting across the map. Finally get out, ride about halfway to the keep under siege ... it flips, everyone gets the tick, but not me.

About an hour in Vivec so far and zero AP to show for it. I now remember why I don't PvP. Because it sucks.

You just described most peoples' experience with Cyrodiil. I've checked the forums for months and there's SO MANY complaints about server performance, load screens, skill lag and now lately proc sets as well. The megathread for long loading screens in PvP is around 8 months old now, it's still not been resolved. Instead we have new bugs to go with that, like invisible postern walls that other players exploit to get in to keeps. My hubby & I have done what some of our guildies did already and we finally unsubbed from ESO+ as of yesterday. I posted in the forums & replied about some of the issues happening in pvp that are now also happening in pve, since you know maybe they will work on it. But they are "aware of most of the issues and have been working for a fix" (For 8 months now, in the case of loading screens) for most of them, so game performance has been terrible, meanwhile I can go look at the giant crown store ads popping up as I log in, ruining my immersion. I have no issue buying a lot of crowns monthly if only the game works as intended not having me stand there with skills not going off because of the sprint bug or server lag. Frames dropping in trials & home instances, ping spikes, overall lag, things like walls & floors not rendering and consistent steam issues where we can't even log in, is not acceptable. Something has been very borked especially since Summserset, I would rather start playing WoW as they drop the new expansion.

TazESO · August 2018

Rickter wrote: »

@pzschrek I am also speaking from a DC perspective. AD and EP pop lock most servers. I guess i shouldve added in that caveat. DC small scale faction confirmed. #lowpopbonusfordays

on D'Albei last night, i had 4, went against 6, was a good fight. over 16k ap just for that.

AD zerging down Aleswell, set up 3 catapult, annihilated their first wave with only 7 in my group. Glorious.

#whyILoveOurGuildPVP thanks GM

terrannova · August 2018

Shantu wrote: »

Not trying to downplay anyone's connection issues or shift any blame, but there are a lot of things between your network connection and the server that can result in a degradation of performance. I spent a LOT of hours in PVP during the recent Mayhem event connected via 7-day Shor, which nearly always at max capacity. Apart from an occasional slow loading screen and stutter in game play, I experience very little in the way of connection issues, and I participated in many huge battles that were simply awesome. The only issue that really got to me was the sprint bug (a matter raised in a different thread).

I know it's frustrating as hell to deal with drop connections and unplayable lag, but I'm not convinced its strictly a matter of ZOS and their servers. My bet there are probably many more who have little in the way of these issues who feel no need to post in the forum about anything.

Well, shor should be a more "refreshed" server, cause of the lower number of people queuing.

As far as of connection that could be an issue cause i have checked my network stats through task manager in big/decent fights, download speed is at 1.1mbps-1.5mbps and upload is at 70-80kbps(i might be mistaken about upload). But my connection never gave me any trouble in any game. I even played lots and lots of hours of battlefield 4 and battlefield 1 with constant 64 players and game has been always surprisingly smooth.

I know those player stats dont compare to that of eso but i dont think any online game requires a fiber connection to play online

MajBludd · August 2018

Thus will not change. The lag has been there for almost as long as the game has existed. Nothing will be done. This is one of many threads made on this topic.

If the game performance sucks, play another game. Do you think that zos can or will fix this? Don't you think they would have already?

gp1680 · August 2018

Do you see the amazing communication from ZOS? It shows you what they think of it all.

terrannova · August 2018

Thunderclap wrote: »

And again. PVP EU Vivec. Ported via TS from Fare to Nik. "Some" blue aroudn nik. Arrived and the connection was gone.
A *** game is this

Try to play at a non prime time.bro... u struggle way too much

p00tx · August 2018

When we bring new members into my PvP guild, we have to spend at least a day or two teaching them how to circumvent the various bugs and performance issues with this game. I actually spend my time carefully hypothesizing and then testing potential workarounds for the poor performance of this game. I have created a user guide (only mildly tongue in cheek) for this which is visible on the forums.

If I were one of the people responsible for fixing these issues, and I noticed someone needing to develop a means of circumventing problems associated with my work, I would be DEEPLY ashamed of myself and my work. In fact, I run a lab with a lot of incredibly intricate programs and technology which of course run into technical issues (it's normal), and I have to mitigate the inconvenience to faculty in relation to these technical issues as well as make sure to contact the appropriate people to get these things fixed as quickly as possible. It's my job and it's part of what they pay me for. If I treated the faculty as dismissively as this game does its clientele over technical issues, I'd have been fired AGES ago.

MajBludd · August 2018

You are right. I wonder how many people have left the game due to lag.

In my opinion they won't fix anything related to pvp until you get some sort of competition.

terrannova · August 2018

p00tx wrote: »

When we bring new members into my PvP guild, we have to spend at least a day or two teaching them how to circumvent the various bugs and performance issues with this game. I actually spend my time carefully hypothesizing and then testing potential workarounds for the poor performance of this game. I have created a user guide (only mildly tongue in cheek) for this which is visible on the forums.

If I were one of the people responsible for fixing these issues, and I noticed someone needing to develop a means of circumventing problems associated with my work, I would be DEEPLY ashamed of myself and my work. In fact, I run a lab with a lot of incredibly intricate programs and technology which of course run into technical issues (it's normal), and I have to mitigate the inconvenience to faculty in relation to these technical issues as well as make sure to contact the appropriate people to get these things fixed as quickly as possible. It's my job and it's part of what they pay me for. If I treated the faculty as dismissively as this game does its clientele over technical issues, I'd have been fired AGES ago.

Well, u can see now that each company has different goals and work in a unique way. As long as most of the consumers dont care they dont seem to try and fix something. Too bad

terrannova · August 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

You are right. I wonder how many people have left the game due to lag.

In my opinion they won't fix anything related to pvp until you get some sort of competition.

They already have competition and people already left since summerset ( u can check steam stats). They are fine with the numbers they get now. Or by people coming in and leaving after they bought the game

warldcharacterb14_ESO · August 2018

I want to be quite honest here. There is something else going on besides the server itself. Here is my reasoning. I play this game on a Dell XPS from 2009. It has a few upgrades but the point is I have been playing for 3 months and have only ever had an issue one time in Cyrodil and that was during midyear mayhem. Lasted about one minute then gone. I run it on Medium settings during PVP. I don't even turn off my addons so there is something else going on with newer hardware if there is this many issues. Lastly I play on 50 mb internet so don't know if that helps or not but anyway some food for thought.

Bregilad · August 2018

I hear your pain. I too love the type of PvP in ESO. The raging battles... the sieging... the coordination or lack thereof. The big battles are fun to me. When I want more of a skill-based battle I go BGs... and get killed by cancer builds.

I play NA server and it's bad too, though I don't get constant lock outs. I am not educated in this enough to know what the problem is, but I have no issues with any other MMO, only this one. It tends to only get absolutely horrid around zergs and large activity. At that point, it's basically unplayable... it says 250 ping then, but it's really much more like 900+. I even run it on medium graphics, disable all addons except my PvP ones (I have tried without that too just to be sure) and turn off all background activity that I can on my computer.

I just think it's many things adding up, honestly. In a game without global cooldowns, with characters spamming animation cancels, bar swaps, potions, CP to figure out, procs etc. There is so much to actually compute. I get the same lag in dungeons. It's how the server seems to handle it all... traffic, computation etc.

I always leave ESO due to lag. No joke. I stay a bit, but in the end it's always that. I rarely get mad at an MMO--more like just get burnt out--but in ESO I get mad before I leave, sigh. It seems that the uniqueness of the PvP in ESO is its downfall too... with surging battles come surging lag and disconnects. Is it worth it? PvP makes me come back to ESO... PvP makes me leave it too.

p00tx · August 2018

Bregilad wrote: »

I hear your pain. I too love the type of PvP in ESO. The raging battles... the sieging... the coordination or lack thereof. The big battles are fun to me. When I want more of a skill-based battle I go BGs... and get killed by cancer builds.

I play NA server and it's bad too, though I don't get constant lock outs. I am not educated in this enough to know what the problem is, but I have no issues with any other MMO, only this one. It tends to only get absolutely horrid around zergs and large activity. At that point, it's basically unplayable... it says 250 ping then, but it's really much more like 900+. I even run it on medium graphics, disable all addons except my PvP ones (I have tried without that too just to be sure) and turn off all background activity that I can on my computer.

I just think it's many things adding up, honestly. In a game without global cooldowns, with characters spamming animation cancels, bar swaps, potions, CP to figure out, procs etc. There is so much to actually compute. I get the same lag in dungeons. It's how the server seems to handle it all... traffic, computation etc.

I always leave ESO due to lag. No joke. I stay a bit, but in the end it's always that. I rarely get mad at an MMO--more like just get burnt out--but in ESO I get mad before I leave, sigh. It seems that the uniqueness of the PvP in ESO is its downfall too... with surging battles come surging lag and disconnects. Is it worth it? PvP makes me come back to ESO... PvP makes me leave it too.

I absolutely agree. It's like someone took a beautiful, sleek Porsche with all of the bells and whistles, and dropped a lawnmower motor in it, then took it out to the raceway to try to run at full speed. Nope.

The sad thing is, if they just invested the money into getting things running better, they'd attract an insane amount of new and returning clients who would likely drop tons of money on the Crown Store. They'd never have to worry about generating income again.

terrannova · August 2018

comeon i was at vivec eu at DRAKE with not even 25 people fighting and i get timed out? really? this is getting worse

Hurtfan · August 2018

Been experiencing disconnects a lot lately, along with the normal lag. What sucks about discons is it's almost always during a large scale battle, and many times, you will lose out on the tic.

Also, it's a group killer. The last 2 days, would get disconnected, try to log back in and get timed out (can't log back in), you spawn at the north gate when you do finally get back in. Now you're in, but your group has either disconnected themselves or the map changed and you can't rejoin the group without a long run back to them.

It totally disrupts the flow.

terrannova · August 2018

Hurtfan wrote: »

Been experiencing disconnects a lot lately, along with the normal lag. What sucks about discons is it's almost always during a large scale battle, and many times, you will lose out on the tic.

Also, it's group killer. The last 2 days, would get disconnected, try to log back in and get timed out (can't log back in), you spawn at the north gate when you do finally get back in. Now you're in, but your group has either disconnected themselves or the map changed and you can't rejoin the group without a long run back to them.

It totally disrupts the flow.

yea, sad thing is that no one recognizes those problems

shaielzafine · August 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

You are right. I wonder how many people have left the game due to lag.

In my opinion they won't fix anything related to pvp until you get some sort of competition.

They do already have competition. WoW has an esports league and is the mmo with the most viewers on Twitch. I do watch some eso streamers now and then, and it's funny when you see someone like Fengrush experiencing lag or seeing the bugs in Cyrodiil and the potential eso players are like what is going on?

gp1680 · August 2018

Disconnected in Cyrodiil twice within ten minutes. Spending twenty minutes trying to get back in. Well done ZOS! The performance of your game sucks, but I know, I know, you don’t give a crap.

terrannova · August 2018

oh boy disconnects are sure back

Jameliel · August 2018

haha I feel your pain Thunderclap. If I posted everytime the same garbage happens to me or teammates, there would be at least 20 new posts a day. Got disconnected 7 times during prime time this morning, so I finally logged for a couple hours. When I logged back in, this evening was the first evening I didn't get disconnected this month. Had a great time with TKG for once.

JD2013 · August 2018

I feel your pain.

Apparently there's changes coming to Cyrodiil next update. Make of that what you will.

MinarasLaure · August 2018

JD2013 wrote: »

I feel your pain.

Apparently there's changes coming to Cyrodiil next update. Make of that what you will.

Link?

Aurielle · August 2018

p00tx wrote: »

Bregilad wrote: »

I hear your pain. I too love the type of PvP in ESO. The raging battles... the sieging... the coordination or lack thereof. The big battles are fun to me. When I want more of a skill-based battle I go BGs... and get killed by cancer builds.

I play NA server and it's bad too, though I don't get constant lock outs. I am not educated in this enough to know what the problem is, but I have no issues with any other MMO, only this one. It tends to only get absolutely horrid around zergs and large activity. At that point, it's basically unplayable... it says 250 ping then, but it's really much more like 900+. I even run it on medium graphics, disable all addons except my PvP ones (I have tried without that too just to be sure) and turn off all background activity that I can on my computer.

I just think it's many things adding up, honestly. In a game without global cooldowns, with characters spamming animation cancels, bar swaps, potions, CP to figure out, procs etc. There is so much to actually compute. I get the same lag in dungeons. It's how the server seems to handle it all... traffic, computation etc.

I always leave ESO due to lag. No joke. I stay a bit, but in the end it's always that. I rarely get mad at an MMO--more like just get burnt out--but in ESO I get mad before I leave, sigh. It seems that the uniqueness of the PvP in ESO is its downfall too... with surging battles come surging lag and disconnects. Is it worth it? PvP makes me come back to ESO... PvP makes me leave it too.

The sad thing is, if they just invested the money into getting things running better, they'd attract an insane amount of new and returning clients who would likely drop tons of money on the Crown Store. They'd never have to worry about generating income again.

What’s REALLY sad is that players did this to themselves. The game ran smoothly in PVP prior to the advent of the cheat engine, when more computations were performed client-side. When I get angry at ZOS after yet another disconnect, I try to remind myself that we wouldn’t be having these problems in the first place if the toxic jerks who wanted to be immortal in a PvP zone didn’t have such fragile egos.

Jameliel · August 2018

Disconnected a few times this morning. Again at BRK along with a lot of other people. They were livid in zone chat.

kpittsniperb14_ESO · August 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Bregilad wrote: »

I hear your pain. I too love the type of PvP in ESO. The raging battles... the sieging... the coordination or lack thereof. The big battles are fun to me. When I want more of a skill-based battle I go BGs... and get killed by cancer builds.

I play NA server and it's bad too, though I don't get constant lock outs. I am not educated in this enough to know what the problem is, but I have no issues with any other MMO, only this one. It tends to only get absolutely horrid around zergs and large activity. At that point, it's basically unplayable... it says 250 ping then, but it's really much more like 900+. I even run it on medium graphics, disable all addons except my PvP ones (I have tried without that too just to be sure) and turn off all background activity that I can on my computer.

I just think it's many things adding up, honestly. In a game without global cooldowns, with characters spamming animation cancels, bar swaps, potions, CP to figure out, procs etc. There is so much to actually compute. I get the same lag in dungeons. It's how the server seems to handle it all... traffic, computation etc.

I always leave ESO due to lag. No joke. I stay a bit, but in the end it's always that. I rarely get mad at an MMO--more like just get burnt out--but in ESO I get mad before I leave, sigh. It seems that the uniqueness of the PvP in ESO is its downfall too... with surging battles come surging lag and disconnects. Is it worth it? PvP makes me come back to ESO... PvP makes me leave it too.

The sad thing is, if they just invested the money into getting things running better, they'd attract an insane amount of new and returning clients who would likely drop tons of money on the Crown Store. They'd never have to worry about generating income again.

What’s REALLY sad is that players did this to themselves. The game ran smoothly in PVP prior to the advent of the cheat engine, when more computations were performed client-side. When I get angry at ZOS after yet another disconnect, I try to remind myself that we wouldn’t be having these problems in the first place if the toxic jerks who wanted to be immortal in a PvP zone didn’t have such fragile egos.

Or you could still get mad at ZOS for developing their game in the first place with so much of the computations client side and leaving the API open [snip]. Just my opinion though.
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