Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
A full month of doing stuff that some of us don’t really do in the game, meaning we basically aren’t playing the game how we like to for that month. As I said before, it would be nice if there were more ways of earning crystals. In particular, I would add it to crafting writs, blacksmith nodes, and/or treasure chests as a % chance. I always thought it was super weird for a crafting-based functionality to have no sources actually from crafting.
Just put 50 crystals as a login reward once per month. (they already do AP and tel var stones}
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
A full month of doing stuff that some of us don’t really do in the game, meaning we basically aren’t playing the game how we like to for that month. As I said before, it would be nice if there were more ways of earning crystals. In particular, I would add it to crafting writs, blacksmith nodes, and/or treasure chests as a % chance. I always thought it was super weird for a crafting-based functionality to have no sources actually from crafting.
Then why do you even want 'em? xD
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
- First Random Dungeon Finder on each character.
- First RftW mail per account (20k AP ~ 3 BG's, if you lose horribly.)
- 10 count geode for end of 7 day campaigns, win or lose.
- 50 count geode for end of 30 day campaigns, win or lose.
- 3 Pledges.
- Chance for drop from end boss of any 4 man, any time.
- vMA.
- 5 stones in every trial coffer per week.
- Miscellaneous event boxes.
TL;DR; You're doing it wrong.
Get out and actually do something and you won't have an issue with stones.
Or you mean waste 120 hours of my life just to get 50 transmute crystals? 15+ mins for each random dungeon that's not including the time you will have to sit wasting away your life waiting in queue that will give you 1-2 crystals. 30+ mins per non-DLC HM pledge and again that's not counting the time waiting in queue that will give 1-5 crystals. Because you can forget about the DLC Pledge because no one wants to do these and if you are a DPS you may as well forget waiting in queue for this. 30-45 mins per normal trial to get 50 of these youd have to do 10. RotW assuming you get a good team, takes 30 mins to complete. I spend most of my time carrying my team with 20+ kills and thats assuming I can get a team that will stick with me. This will give you maybe 3-5 and i only BG on 2 characters because the rest are pve because I cant stand pvp. There are no events going on atm. Still having to wait 7 days for 7 day campaigns, still having to wait 30 days for 30 day campaigns. You see what im getting at here? The way in which you get these takes FAR too long. You will still continue to have an issue with stones until you get enough several weeks later. If you have the minimum of 120 hours to spend farming these things then good on you. But I do not because I would rather be doing other things then smashing my face into the grindstone for 120 hours.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
A full month of doing stuff that some of us don’t really do in the game, meaning we basically aren’t playing the game how we like to for that month. As I said before, it would be nice if there were more ways of earning crystals. In particular, I would add it to crafting writs, blacksmith nodes, and/or treasure chests as a % chance. I always thought it was super weird for a crafting-based functionality to have no sources actually from crafting.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »If it takes too long to wait for the crystals, you can farm dungeons instead like people did before transmutation.
I am entertained by this. Transmute crystals were introduced so that people would have to farm traits over and over again. They are a major improvement. But now, expectations have changed and the convenience of transmute crystals doesn't feel sufficiently convenient.
If they make transmute crystals easier to get, I wonder what would be the next convenience demanded so that people could get their gear quicker? Perhaps the ability to transmute a belt to a boot or a sword to an axe?
No, only the Alliance war 30 day campaign takes, well, 30 days.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »No, only the Alliance war 30 day campaign takes, well, 30 days.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
If you do 3 vet pledges a day, same character, different character, doesn't matter, that's 180-450 a month. That means you're able to transmute an item every 4-9 days. So, one hour, one item, every 4-9 days. Double that and it's every 2-5 days.
Tier 1 Alliance war on 5 alts in a seven day campaign and it's 50 stones a week.
Do both things mentioned above, and you're transmuting two items a week, minimum.
How fast are you honestly expecting to be able to earn crystals without playing the game?
The follow up question being, what are you in such a hurry for? What major changes to gear are you needing to make in order to access which content?
Because you're insistence on wanting to hurry things up don't match up with your willingness to play?
They give you better than half a dozen methods to earn these. You seem to like none of the options provided.
- Pick something.
- Do that something.
- Profit.
If we're talking pledges, there are three to pick from.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »No, only the Alliance war 30 day campaign takes, well, 30 days.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
If you do 3 vet pledges a day, same character, different character, doesn't matter, that's 180-450 a month. That means you're able to transmute an item every 4-9 days. So, one hour, one item, every 4-9 days. Double that and it's every 2-5 days.
Tier 1 Alliance war on 5 alts in a seven day campaign and it's 50 stones a week.
Do both things mentioned above, and you're transmuting two items a week, minimum.
How fast are you honestly expecting to be able to earn crystals without playing the game?
The follow up question being, what are you in such a hurry for? What major changes to gear are you needing to make in order to access which content?
Because you're insistence on wanting to hurry things up don't match up with your willingness to play?
They give you better than half a dozen methods to earn these. You seem to like none of the options provided.
- Pick something.
- Do that something.
- Profit.
2* items. OOOOOHHH so great. That still took 7-9 days to get. Plus in order to get more than 1-2 transmute per pledge you have to do HM on them. That includes the DLC pledge that no one wants to do. Even so you'd spend an hour in a PUG group for the DLC pledge and end up only getting what? 2-4 stones? That's assuming the PUG group can even complete the HM. The whole point of this entire post was to get ZOS to see that it takes FAR too long just to get 50 transmute crystals. Its very limiting and is a problem. Also not everyone has 50 hours to spend on doing everything it takes to get these.
Dalsinthus wrote: »As others have said, if you're not doing PVP and don't like doing dungeons, arenas, or trials, then I really cannot imagine why you would need to transmute anything. All other content can be completed in basic crafted gear and/or BOE overland gear.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »If we're talking pledges, there are three to pick from.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »No, only the Alliance war 30 day campaign takes, well, 30 days.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@Starlock , even if it takes twice as long, even if you can't do the HM's and just do plain ordinary Vet, it's still nowhere near 120 hours. If you can't stand the dungeons on a given day, double up on another day with more than one character.
Do one vet pledge a day, pick the easy one, and it's guaranteed 60-150 stones a month, and that's if you only do it on a single character.
You can show up in Cyrodiil and help capture a few resources or ride the zerg by accident and get to Tier 3 in 30 days - that alone will net you 50 per character, guaranteed.
You can get 30 per month on a single character by doing a random norm each day. Please don't come back and say most people won't be able to do a random norm. Do that on three characters over the course of 30 days, and that's 150 stones.
Lose at BG's three times a day (< 1 hour, more likely less than 30 minutes, and if you lose horribly enough, it can be over before your queue cooldown is up.) and it's guaranteed 120 - 750 stones a month.
So well less than an hour a day, gets you 120 at absolute minimum.
Unless you just despise every piece of content that it used to earn them, I'm not buying it.
How do you not see the problem with what you just said? Every one of those requires a full MONTH to get...
If you do 3 vet pledges a day, same character, different character, doesn't matter, that's 180-450 a month. That means you're able to transmute an item every 4-9 days. So, one hour, one item, every 4-9 days. Double that and it's every 2-5 days.
Tier 1 Alliance war on 5 alts in a seven day campaign and it's 50 stones a week.
Do both things mentioned above, and you're transmuting two items a week, minimum.
How fast are you honestly expecting to be able to earn crystals without playing the game?
The follow up question being, what are you in such a hurry for? What major changes to gear are you needing to make in order to access which content?
Because you're insistence on wanting to hurry things up don't match up with your willingness to play?
They give you better than half a dozen methods to earn these. You seem to like none of the options provided.
- Pick something.
- Do that something.
- Profit.
2* items. OOOOOHHH so great. That still took 7-9 days to get. Plus in order to get more than 1-2 transmute per pledge you have to do HM on them. That includes the DLC pledge that no one wants to do. Even so you'd spend an hour in a PUG group for the DLC pledge and end up only getting what? 2-4 stones? That's assuming the PUG group can even complete the HM. The whole point of this entire post was to get ZOS to see that it takes FAR too long just to get 50 transmute crystals. Its very limiting and is a problem. Also not everyone has 50 hours to spend on doing everything it takes to get these.
If you're picking the DLC and PuGging it, then the fault's on you. It doesn't take an hour to do BC I, even with an atrocious PuG group. That same, relatively quick pledge is available on every alt you have above L45. RDF daily normals are far more likely to take 10 minutes, grouped with 3 other Max CP's that are just there to burn, than they are to take an hour. And if you get an insurmountable RDF pick, you drop group and move to an alt and try again. Cooldown will be up by the time you're done on the 2nd character.
Transmute was introduced to simplify the grind, which it has. It was not implemented so you could have 12 slot BiS gear in a days' time. It still requires a little effort on your part. Far less effort than it used to, having to grind over and over to get the single piece of gear your were looking for, in the right trait.
It's achievable, and far more reasonable than what it ever has been.
The "not everyone has the time to get these" is BS. You'll earn them at the rate you can earn them, based on the amount of playtime you have available. It's not as if they're on cooldown. It's not as if they expire.
You've yet to answer my question. What is your hurry to get perfectly traited BiS gear in a game you effectively proclaim not to have the time to play?
Seriously OP?
Do PvP, barely any effort to get a guaranteed 50 at end of campaign, plus the odd node in Rewards Of The Useless, I have hundreds well over the 200 cap and they are just sitting there taking up inv space on my pvp chars.
The_Protagonist wrote: »
Yes but the OP stated not everyone PVP.