Hmm, let me contemplate the griefing opportunities. How many siege weapons can I drop and lock for personal use only, and then do nothing or shoot at the sky?

What's the siege cap? I would try to hit the siege cap.

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Make a option in the setting to lock it to group members only, personal only or free for all. This way the guys that wanna share can. And the guys that don't wanna can lock it. Simple as that. And tbh nobody should have a problem with anyone that wanna lock THEIR property, that they paid for.

My own reaction: As many said going on a wall or door is np for me. I enjoy if I can just stand in the ram and watch the door tic down without lifting a finger. However... like also many other mentioned, sometimes I wish I could force people out of my weapons, when they are used wrong or just stolen for the sake of stealing... There are those cheap people that only use other peoples weapons... I guess golden vendor makes the greed bigger. And the so called 'help excuse' is ridicules, if i place 4 trebs it's because I use 4 trebs, so if they really wanna help, place more, that's helpful!!

Bolded part is actually very important thing. We buy sieges as an investment, but why spend anything when you can just run around pretending you're doing something meaningful while all you do is trying to get that free tick. I can't count how many sieges I used knowing I won't get any APs for that (like solo tag a keep as a distraction), I have no problem with that. I can't count how many times I have put down more sieges in sucha situation when someone's came and had no sieges, but it was my choice to do so, and most people are smart enough to not take someone's siege without asking... But as usual there are exceptions, extremely resistant to knowledge exceptions.

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RexyCat wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Years have passed, I can't believe we still are not able to kick siege weapon thieves from our own sieges... Why? If it's to hard to implement or causes some problems make it toggle in game settings "do you allow to use your sieges to other players or not" (by default allow). Maybe it's not game breaking but it's extremely frustrating when you put out that cold harbour ballista to shoot those nice 3 enemy's ballistas but suddenly some rank 4, 50 CP freshman steals it and starts to shoot to that single templar runing half mile away...

Just let them use the stupid siege weapon! YOU weren't doing anything with it, so who cares?

Also, PLEASE I am *sure* your scenario is happening just constantly. (Or not.)

*facepalm*

When I put down 2-3 ballistas, I’m using all of them. You fire one, then the next one, then the next one, and repeat. It’s the most efficient way to siege, as you don’t have to wait there twiddling your thumbs while the cooldown expires — way more efficient than when some greenie hops on one of your siege and fails to fire it as soon as the cooldown expires. Also, I know when to start packing up my siege based on wall percentage; I can’t effing pack up my siege when the greenie is on it plinging away at a wall that’s at 3%. I usually end up having to leave that ballista behind to stick with my group, which is just a waste of AP.

In order to mitigate the effects of siege thieves, I often end up carrying more siege than I need to, which is just a waste of free inventory space. I shouldn’t have to do that. I understand why the option to use other people’s siege weapons exists; without it, spies/trolls could set up max siege and prevent anyone else from laying down siege weapons. People just need to be more considerate and buy their own siege.

It isn't efficient to place so many siege weapon around and just expect to use them all for yourself. It is limited space where to place siege weapon, so virtually taking all possible AP for yourself when there could be other players around to do the same job sounds more like you just don't care that other also should get a space to put up their sieges.

I have never received AP for using siege. Not for using it on walls/doors that is...

dtsharples wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

I don’t buy siege, I get on other peoples siege.

But you know what.

We capture the keep.

YOU don't capture anything, your'e just a pointless waste of a spot in your faction.

The simple answer is that people need to stop being entitled little A-Holes, spend the 10 seconds it takes to find a siege merchant and buy some sieges of their own.
Hell, if I got out of my car to pay for petrol does that entitle someone else to just get in my car and drive off?
This is why we can't have nice things. If it aint yours, keep your hands off it.

Seems I’ve struck a nerve. Either way we still got the keep. If you want to keep your siege then you should stay on it. Don’t complain that people want to make sure that they are being used 100%.

Soleya wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Hmm, let me contemplate the griefing opportunities. How many siege weapons can I drop and lock for personal use only, and then do nothing or shoot at the sky?

What's the siege cap? I would try to hit the siege cap.

Won't be very effective at griefing unless you carry a ton of siege on you.

Drop 20 siege sometimes and watch how fast they fall apart. When your not on them they degrade faster.

Yeah... Try to put down 20 sieges and kick everybody from them because you would be able to, would like to see that, 19 sieges fired one kicked.

Mayrael wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Years have passed, I can't believe we still are not able to kick siege weapon thieves from our own sieges... Why? If it's to hard to implement or causes some problems make it toggle in game settings "do you allow to use your sieges to other players or not" (by default allow). Maybe it's not game breaking but it's extremely frustrating when you put out that cold harbour ballista to shoot those nice 3 enemy's ballistas but suddenly some rank 4, 50 CP freshman steals it and starts to shoot to that single templar runing half mile away...

Literally, nothing in the world will make me ragequit harder than someone hoping on one of the 3 trebs I have out, when I VERY obviously have a rotation going. The only place I don't mind this as much would be the under 50 campaign, since many players are new and they may not know that it's rude and they may not even have enough AP to go get siege themselves. I know when I first started playing in Cyrodiil I hopped on everyone's siege and I think it was Betsy in the non cp campaign that explained that doing that made me an ***.

Think of it this way, if you drive up to the doors at Walmart to pick a big item up and place it in your car, would it be acceptable for someone to come up and drive off with your car since you were 3 feet away from it messing with the big item? No, it wouldn't be would it? So, if someone puts siege down and they are 2 inches from it on their other siege for 2 seconds, maybe you should leave it the hell alone?

If you need siege, ask first. I will be more than happy to drop you down a few siege on every keep we raid because for me, it's not about the ap I spent on the siege at all. But, if I have 3 trebs out and 2 ballistas and I am going in a obvious rotation with them all, DO NOT jump on them!! PERIOD.


As for coldfire siege, that's an entirely other level of rage that I can't even share publicly right now LOL.


Here are some of my favorite replies from people who steal my siege

1. Chill out, I'm just trying to help!

NOPE. If I needed help running multiple siege I would not have put said multiple siege down in the first damn place. If I am using all my siege in a steady rotation where I get to each treb right when it able to use again, what part of that makes someone think "Hey, they need halp! Imma halp em yay!" ........ Just stop...

2. I don't know where to purchase coldfire siege so I thought I could use this one.
NOPE. I get my coldfire siege from either guild stores for too much gold or from dolmen drops. Either way, they are a pain in the ass to obtain and keep repaired so don't touch them!

3. It will be faster if everyone runs a single siege
NOPE. Unless you are living on another planet where time works differently, then no, everyone running ONE siege is not faster than people running 2 or 3 with a solid rotation.

4. Noob! I obviously need to hit the door, not the wall, the door has less damage done to it that the wall!
NOPE. Look, I think pretty much every new player makes this mistake, I know I did. It's not even stupid to assume that hitting the door would be better than the wall, since most keeps have doors that are never repaired at all. But, hitting that door is going to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Always hit the wall next to the doors. If you hop on my siege, I am already over here grumbling under my breath and mildly raging in @BigBragg 's poor ears about how you just stole my siege. But, if you steal my siege and then proceed to hit the door, and then you proceed to argue with me when I tell you to at least hit the wall.... My eyes will literally fill with blood and I will have wet dreams that night about drop kicking your PC into the next universe. It may sound hot, but I promise you, it's not.



This doesn't bother everyone and I truly envy those that are chill when this happens. I wish I could just be like whatever, and in certain situations I am. But, most of the time, I it makes me want to take my monitor outside, place it on the driveway, and run it over 36 times before going in to take a 22 hour nap, just to heal inner rage.

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

I just throw my siege everywhere for people to use

And? What this got to do with the topic? There is literally million people here saying this, but nobody understands that's not the point of the thread.

Do I try to convince someone to not drop sieges for other players? No!

Do I setup sieges for other players to? Yes, you are not any better than I or the others.

Do I mind if someone takes my property without my permission? Yes!

Is it ok to not be able to do anything when someone refuses to leave your siege? No, it's your property, you have right to decide who and how uses it.

And just to make sure: earth is not flat, vaccines are saving your life, people landed on moon etc.

RexyCat wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Years have passed, I can't believe we still are not able to kick siege weapon thieves from our own sieges... Why? If it's to hard to implement or causes some problems make it toggle in game settings "do you allow to use your sieges to other players or not" (by default allow). Maybe it's not game breaking but it's extremely frustrating when you put out that cold harbour ballista to shoot those nice 3 enemy's ballistas but suddenly some rank 4, 50 CP freshman steals it and starts to shoot to that single templar runing half mile away...

Just let them use the stupid siege weapon! YOU weren't doing anything with it, so who cares?

Also, PLEASE I am *sure* your scenario is happening just constantly. (Or not.)

*facepalm*

When I put down 2-3 ballistas, I’m using all of them. You fire one, then the next one, then the next one, and repeat. It’s the most efficient way to siege, as you don’t have to wait there twiddling your thumbs while the cooldown expires — way more efficient than when some greenie hops on one of your siege and fails to fire it as soon as the cooldown expires. Also, I know when to start packing up my siege based on wall percentage; I can’t effing pack up my siege when the greenie is on it plinging away at a wall that’s at 3%. I usually end up having to leave that ballista behind to stick with my group, which is just a waste of AP.

In order to mitigate the effects of siege thieves, I often end up carrying more siege than I need to, which is just a waste of free inventory space. I shouldn’t have to do that. I understand why the option to use other people’s siege weapons exists; without it, spies/trolls could set up max siege and prevent anyone else from laying down siege weapons. People just need to be more considerate and buy their own siege.

It isn't efficient to place so many siege weapon around and just expect to use them all for yourself. It is limited space where to place siege weapon, so virtually taking all possible AP for yourself when there could be other players around to do the same job sounds more like you just don't care that other also should get a space to put up their sieges.

Clearly you are terrible at sieging then. The most efficient way to siege is to run 3 or 4 in a rotation sitting on one siege the entire time, even while it is reloading, is the least effective way to siege. 5 players running 15 siege will always be more effective than 15 players running 15 siege. The players not on siege should be defending those on siege.