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When are we going to be able to change our stage 4 vampirism appearance?
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✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
If those reasons are "delusional", then eqully so is saying "I want to have a cosmetic option, just because." which proponent opinions boil down to.
so in essence i want the ability to alter the appearance of my vampire because it would make me happy. seems simple enough, that is kinda the entire idea surrounding being able to change outfits, skins, etc. it is for the sake of vanity.
And yet another "Just because..." one.
what other reason do you need to desire a cosmetic feature?
You insist on others giving a reason that speaks against it, when you just need to essentially say "I want it, period". Serously?
my reasoning is wanting it for the sake of being happy with my character's appearance, or is that reason not good enough for you?
so explain to me why you personally don't want people to have the ability to change the way our vampire appears?
Because it diminishes the value and meaning of two letters that we often forget within the acronym MMORPG, which is RP. And this aspect will be destroyed through an opportunistic mentality, that demands benefits galore without any drabwacks, even if those are only superficial.
I can't choose to role play that my vampire character uses illusion magic or makeup at times? Seems your statement is more about limiting the RP aspect of an MMORPG.
1. Illusion magic doesn't work with that type of vampire, this was made clear in another thread relating to some NPC who does that.
2. It is very difficult at best to apply makeup, once again, without a mirror image.
Don't like the look? Cure it.
I though we established that lack of a mirror image isn't canon for this branch of Elder Scrolls vampire.
I think he just brought that up because people were pulling vampire "lore" from every glampire novelists from the past 40 years, while selectively omitting some slightly more horrifying interpretations of this myth. It's there to mock people who are fixated on this issue and can't just except that the developers have the ultimate vision on this and the current one isn't totally flawed. If they change it, it's their call, and hopefully if they make some changes they will be ones that encourage vampires to play as vampires, instead of just getting a passive line and forgetting they are actually vampires.
That would be great. It's just that Zeni is, and has been moving in the opposite direction with their choices on character platystyle/mechanics and cosmetic options ties. As long as that course is held by them, and it will because it pays the bills, we will continue seeing this pop up. Just as we have for years past.0 -
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feel free to leave then, seeing as how you are incapable of bringing reason to your argument, all you do is waste my time.3 -
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can we get a post from zos on the issue though?? like will we ever see this change cause being forced into that ugly skin kinda sucks. @ZOS_RyanM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
If those reasons are "delusional", then eqully so is saying "I want to have a cosmetic option, just because." which proponent opinions boil down to.
so in essence i want the ability to alter the appearance of my vampire because it would make me happy. seems simple enough, that is kinda the entire idea surrounding being able to change outfits, skins, etc. it is for the sake of vanity.
And yet another "Just because..." one.
what other reason do you need to desire a cosmetic feature?
You insist on others giving a reason that speaks against it, when you just need to essentially say "I want it, period". Serously?
my reasoning is wanting it for the sake of being happy with my character's appearance, or is that reason not good enough for you?
so explain to me why you personally don't want people to have the ability to change the way our vampire appears?
Because it diminishes the value and meaning of two letters that we often forget within the acronym MMORPG, which is RP. And this aspect will be destroyed through an opportunistic mentality, that demands benefits galore without any drabwacks, even if those are only superficial.
I can't choose to role play that my vampire character uses illusion magic or makeup at times? Seems your statement is more about limiting the RP aspect of an MMORPG.
1. Illusion magic doesn't work with that type of vampire, this was made clear in another thread relating to some NPC who does that.
2. It is very difficult at best to apply makeup, once again, without a mirror image.
Don't like the look? Cure it.
I though we established that lack of a mirror image isn't canon for this branch of Elder Scrolls vampire.
From what I remember, the folklore behind the mirror thing was that mirrors used to use a silver based backing to create their reflective surface. With the specific restriction that vampires didn't interact with silver.
There is a bloodline of vampires in The Elder Scrolls that don't cast any reflections. One of the Bosmer strands, as I recall, but they're not present in ESO, and players cannot be infected by them.4 -
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✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
If those reasons are "delusional", then eqully so is saying "I want to have a cosmetic option, just because." which proponent opinions boil down to.
so in essence i want the ability to alter the appearance of my vampire because it would make me happy. seems simple enough, that is kinda the entire idea surrounding being able to change outfits, skins, etc. it is for the sake of vanity.
And yet another "Just because..." one.
what other reason do you need to desire a cosmetic feature?
You insist on others giving a reason that speaks against it, when you just need to essentially say "I want it, period". Serously?
my reasoning is wanting it for the sake of being happy with my character's appearance, or is that reason not good enough for you?
so explain to me why you personally don't want people to have the ability to change the way our vampire appears?
Because it diminishes the value and meaning of two letters that we often forget within the acronym MMORPG, which is RP. And this aspect will be destroyed through an opportunistic mentality, that demands benefits galore without any drabwacks, even if those are only superficial.
I can't choose to role play that my vampire character uses illusion magic or makeup at times? Seems your statement is more about limiting the RP aspect of an MMORPG.
1. Illusion magic doesn't work with that type of vampire, this was made clear in another thread relating to some NPC who does that.
2. It is very difficult at best to apply makeup, once again, without a mirror image.
Don't like the look? Cure it.
I though we established that lack of a mirror image isn't canon for this branch of Elder Scrolls vampire.
I think he just brought that up because people were pulling vampire "lore" from every glampire novelists from the past 40 years, while selectively omitting some slightly more horrifying interpretations of this myth. It's there to mock people who are fixated on this issue and can't just except that the developers have the ultimate vision on this and the current one isn't totally flawed. If they change it, it's their call, and hopefully if they make some changes they will be ones that encourage vampires to play as vampires, instead of just getting a passive line and forgetting they are actually vampires.
That would be great. It's just that Zeni is, and has been moving in the opposite direction with their choices on character platystyle/mechanics and cosmetic options ties. As long as that course is held by them, and it will because it pays the bills, we will continue seeing this pop up. Just as we have for years past.
@BigBragg
I don't disagree with you that ZoS monetizes vanity. In the end whatever choice they make should be up to them. But don't you think that choosing to play as a vampire should require you to have a play-style that interacts with a design around vampirism? And can't you also agree that if you just look 100% normal, and have a passive skill line that this isn't a very interesting design choice for vampirism? This is where people say "yes but extra fire damage and health regen" which is countered by being dunmer or a single enchant on a piece of jewelry, and health regen, well even DK tanks don't really need health regen. So what is being a vampire then other than another mandatory passive skill line with some fun active skills for PVP?
I bet they will do a full re-design on the world line at some point. Obviously WW was long overdue, personally I'm waiting for that before I change my position.“Whatever.”
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the thing is that changing our appearance would be completely optional, also if you go back and reread some of my posts, i have always brought up the concept of merely changing the stage of vampirism our appearance shows. even at stage 1 players are pale and definitely don't look like typical people, but they aren't such a ghastly white color that some outfits become rather abhorrent.
the entire idea of wanting to change our appearance is so that i can satisfy my desire to make my character kick ass and look fashionable as well.1 -
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✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
If those reasons are "delusional", then eqully so is saying "I want to have a cosmetic option, just because." which proponent opinions boil down to.
so in essence i want the ability to alter the appearance of my vampire because it would make me happy. seems simple enough, that is kinda the entire idea surrounding being able to change outfits, skins, etc. it is for the sake of vanity.
And yet another "Just because..." one.
what other reason do you need to desire a cosmetic feature?
You insist on others giving a reason that speaks against it, when you just need to essentially say "I want it, period". Serously?
my reasoning is wanting it for the sake of being happy with my character's appearance, or is that reason not good enough for you?
so explain to me why you personally don't want people to have the ability to change the way our vampire appears?
Because it diminishes the value and meaning of two letters that we often forget within the acronym MMORPG, which is RP. And this aspect will be destroyed through an opportunistic mentality, that demands benefits galore without any drabwacks, even if those are only superficial.
I can't choose to role play that my vampire character uses illusion magic or makeup at times? Seems your statement is more about limiting the RP aspect of an MMORPG.
1. Illusion magic doesn't work with that type of vampire, this was made clear in another thread relating to some NPC who does that.
2. It is very difficult at best to apply makeup, once again, without a mirror image.
Don't like the look? Cure it.
I though we established that lack of a mirror image isn't canon for this branch of Elder Scrolls vampire.
I think he just brought that up because people were pulling vampire "lore" from every glampire novelists from the past 40 years, while selectively omitting some slightly more horrifying interpretations of this myth. It's there to mock people who are fixated on this issue and can't just except that the developers have the ultimate vision on this and the current one isn't totally flawed. If they change it, it's their call, and hopefully if they make some changes they will be ones that encourage vampires to play as vampires, instead of just getting a passive line and forgetting they are actually vampires.
That would be great. It's just that Zeni is, and has been moving in the opposite direction with their choices on character platystyle/mechanics and cosmetic options ties. As long as that course is held by them, and it will because it pays the bills, we will continue seeing this pop up. Just as we have for years past.
@BigBragg
I don't disagree with you that ZoS monetizes vanity. In the end whatever choice they make should be up to them. But don't you think that choosing to play as a vampire should require you to have a play-style that interacts with a design around vampirism? And can't you also agree that if you just look 100% normal, and have a passive skill line that this isn't a very interesting design choice for vampirism? This is where people say "yes but extra fire damage and health regen" which is countered by being dunmer or a single enchant on a piece of jewelry, and health regen, well even DK tanks don't really need health regen. So what is being a vampire then other than another mandatory passive skill line with some fun active skills for PVP?
I bet they will do a full re-design on the world line at some point. Obviously WW was long overdue, personally I'm waiting for that before I change my position.
I said earlier that I usually don't mind the vampire aesthetic. I do think that stage 4 is a bit grotesque, but that isn't my main pony in this race.
I will stand by my assertion that cosmetic implications in this iteration of ESO are not good design for balanced gameplay. If the passives are that strong and sought after, then Zeni needs to look at why and how the game can be adjusted because of it. I think sustain would be a great starting point for both PvP and PvE.
Furthermore and really the meat of my perspective is I think that people should have a choice. From both skins being established as a cosmetic to the choice of what their vampire character means to them from a role play perspective. I think those freedoms and choices make for far more interesting things, because mankind is wonderfully creative.Edited by BigBragg on August 24, 2018 3:55PM1 -
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I agree, although cosmetic downside is pretty weak.
So many of the filthy things in PVP.
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✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
The lore represents the minority, when authors take liberties to change the status-quo. Having read Bram Stoker's Dracula, the beauty referred to female vampires are pre-transformed, but once they feed, their transformation of a bat-like figure takes over.In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
ESO has it right: Stage 1 = normal looking. Stage 4 = appearance change.
If people are upset over the looks of a vampire, just cure the damn thing, but stop asking for Stage 1 appearance for Stage 4 vampirism.
If this doesn't stop, I'm afraid people will ask ZoS to make their vampires sparkle in the sunglight.
i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
Ironically enough, a lot of those of us who do not want changes to the current system of vampirism argue our cases because we deeply care.
While I myself am not against a skin that just gives you the normal appareance of your character, it would complicate things as that, to far most, would mean that vampirism is now mandatory, which it shouldnt be.
Undeath is the real drawback of Vampirism, and while I myself would like for the weaknesses and strengths to be better tailored so -that- was the main defactor for why people would NOT want vampirism, but alas, that is not truly a thing because we play an MMO.
But Violynne was absolutely correct her, and by dismissing their argument like that you've really only lost a battle yourself.
Vampirism in TES has always been like this. Less strengths and weaknesses in the first stages, but while you go without feeding you become more feral, predatory and dangerous, aka you become stronger and deadlier, but with a cost of your humanity.
since when has the cosmetic appearance of our character dictated whether a skill line is mandatory or not. "If vampires aren't ugly, the meta will shift in which players have to be vampires." that logic is not sound by any means and to claim otherwise is rather silly.
You clearly failed to grasp of what I was writing to you, silly.
The cosmetic appearance of Vampirism is currently the only real negative for a large amount of players, and thus the only reason why they do not want vampirism. If you invalidate the unholy, ghastly and deathly nature of vampires, aka their undeath, you'll essentially make Vampirism a must-have skill-line because it'll be a flat out upgrade.
Unless vampires are properly balanced between strengths and weaknesses, which it as it stands, currently isn't, then it will be a mandatory upgrade for everyone (Something that alot of people already feel to this very day, especially those who do not care for lore, characters or visuel appearances of their skins) -IF- a skin like this is available.
Now again, let me make this clear to you since you didn't understand me the first time: I support that you guys get a cosmetic skin to look normal and heatlhy, but leave the skin of the vampires as it is, for there are still lots of players out there who love the look of Stage 4, including myself.
I simply wish that they would make ESO vampires more like previous bloodlines, give them proper strengths and weaknesses, instead of this watered down MMO fiesta.
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✭@ShadowHvo i think you are the one who doesn't understand. i have never once suggested they change how stage 4 looks, from the very get-go i have asked for the ability to change our appearance which is something entirely optional.1 -
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✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »@ShadowHvo i think you are the one who doesn't understand. i have never once suggested they change how stage 4 looks, from the very get-go i have asked for the ability to change our appearance which is something entirely optional.
Nah. It’s you.
He said it’s a minor cosmetic negative.
There’s very little drawbacks (only positives) for Vampirism. That’s why pretty much every class, build and their mother runs Vampire right now.1 -
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »@ShadowHvo i think you are the one who doesn't understand. i have never once suggested they change how stage 4 looks, from the very get-go i have asked for the ability to change our appearance which is something entirely optional.
Nah. It’s you.
He said it’s a minor cosmetic negative.
There’s very little drawbacks (only positives) for Vampirism. That’s why pretty much every class, build and their mother runs Vampire right now.
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✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »@ShadowHvo i think you are the one who doesn't understand. i have never once suggested they change how stage 4 looks, from the very get-go i have asked for the ability to change our appearance which is something entirely optional.
Nah. It’s you.
He said it’s a minor cosmetic negative.
There’s very little drawbacks (only positives) for Vampirism. That’s why pretty much every class, build and their mother runs Vampire right now.
and how does giving us the ability to change our appearance change that?
Simple. The nasty appearance is enough to keep at least some people away from the meta.
Giving people an “out” for the nastiness factor will make it standard for pretty much everything. (Even more so than it already is).3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
No, I want the drawback to be appropriate to the passive.
Show me another awesome passive that completely and totally screws everything you did in character creation because the drawback is a massive visual change. The werewolf doesn't count because it only affects your appearance during the duration of your ultimate.
Yes, but the point is that we wolfies lose our passives when the duration ends.
What it comes down to is:
Look horrible- great passives.
Look normal- great passives go away.
Its the same whether you are a vamp or wolfie. The only difference is the duration.
I think there are people here who are objecting to hiding vampirism because many of the vamps make it sound like they want a third choice:
Look normal- great passives.
It doesnt work that way, not with werewolves, and not in the game.
If you feel so strongly about your looks (and believe me, I do understand. Not one single character of mine is a vamp, not because I dont want the passives, but only because I dont want to see them in that condition) then what you should be asking for is that vamp becomes an ultimate like werewolf.
Or, maybe what some appear to be really looking for. Vamp passives without having to be a vamp. But the way things seem, you may have better luck with the first suggestion.
This.
If vampirism was a toggle like werewolf then it would be equitable in my view, both skill lines are only ugly when they have their strengths turned on.
Or have werewolf on all the time with its passives on all the time and a scary skin on all the time. This would make werewolf players who like fashion angry but those who would be a werewolf for the stats only wouldn’t care, same as it is currently for vampires.
Or Give werewolves their passives all the time and give vampires a free “normal” skin on the same day. That way both can look good and both can have their passive advantages on all the time. I mean, My character is still a werewolf wether he’s fuzzy or not, it’s in his blood.
These two skill lines need to be equal in their implementation.
One of the few things keeping the entire population of eso from being vampires is the look, ZOS thinks that’s balance. It’s a terrible way to balance I agree with that. The alternative is Zos taking their nerf hammer and making vampire useless or making it an ultimate like werewolf.
I think vampires look cool but I get how people disagree, my reasoning for denying it is that it would tip the scales in vampires favor vs werewolves more so than it already is,AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
The lore represents the minority, when authors take liberties to change the status-quo. Having read Bram Stoker's Dracula, the beauty referred to female vampires are pre-transformed, but once they feed, their transformation of a bat-like figure takes over.In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
ESO has it right: Stage 1 = normal looking. Stage 4 = appearance change.
If people are upset over the looks of a vampire, just cure the damn thing, but stop asking for Stage 1 appearance for Stage 4 vampirism.
If this doesn't stop, I'm afraid people will ask ZoS to make their vampires sparkle in the sunglight.
i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
Ironically enough, a lot of those of us who do not want changes to the current system of vampirism argue our cases because we deeply care.
While I myself am not against a skin that just gives you the normal appareance of your character, it would complicate things as that, to far most, would mean that vampirism is now mandatory, which it shouldnt be.
Undeath is the real drawback of Vampirism, and while I myself would like for the weaknesses and strengths to be better tailored so -that- was the main defactor for why people would NOT want vampirism, but alas, that is not truly a thing because we play an MMO.
But Violynne was absolutely correct her, and by dismissing their argument like that you've really only lost a battle yourself.
Vampirism in TES has always been like this. Less strengths and weaknesses in the first stages, but while you go without feeding you become more feral, predatory and dangerous, aka you become stronger and deadlier, but with a cost of your humanity.
since when has the cosmetic appearance of our character dictated whether a skill line is mandatory or not. "If vampires aren't ugly, the meta will shift in which players have to be vampires." that logic is not sound by any means and to claim otherwise is rather silly.
I think their argument is sound and valid, what premise do you disagree with? that people don't choose to be vampires because of the look, or that people don't try to optimize their character's performance?
Their argument is actually quite elegant, it as been expressed before, but here quite nicely. I certainly would make all my characters vampires if the only drawback was almost no health regen and a petty 25% extra fire damage. Many of my characters were vampires when the fire damage penalty was +50%. Personally I think the appearance (stage 4) looks ok, and really good on some characters though tatoo overlay thing should really be fixed. There are some characters I have that I wouldn't want to look like a vampire and so they are not vampires. I suppose I have personally proved that their argument is valid and sound with at least my own choices.
If this is a common thought, then perhaps there should be a sidebar discussion about ZOS doing a balance pass on vampire skills, both active and passive. Allowing the cosmetic dialog to be a separate one altogether, as it should be anyway. Accepting a cosmetic effect an adiquet balance to mechanics and gameplay is just accepting poor game design.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭I'll do my usual and repost my vampire comments from earlier.
I love when people tell me to just put on a helmet, a skin, a costume or wear one of the disguises you get from quests. I am sorry but I did not spend anything less than 10 minutes in character creation screen for any of my characters only to hide my work under some helmet. Nor do I want to look like a character from tron, a fire atronach or a salami. Wearing one of the disguises obtainable from quests even removes all the cosmetics you have added to your character AFTER character creation screen. This can be tattoos, makeup, jewelry, awesome dwemer goggles etc. from the crown store. Obviously I did not spend x amount of minutes creating every single one of my characters only to have makeup and tattoos fade away by becoming a vampire either. Clearly ZOS has no problem in making cosmetics like those overwrite the vamp skin as the bright red lipstick is really visible.
You are told that it is a part of the downsides when choosing to become a vampire, which it clearly is NOT. More vulnerability towards fire damage, lower health recovery and having fighters guild abilities deal significantly more damage towards you (yeah try swallowing a dawnbreaker or silver leash) are the downsides. These downsides even apply to you on stage 1, where you do not have ANY benefits what so ever. You are basically human yet you appear as a vampire and you have the downsides.
Well the good news is you don’t need to spend crowns on those tattoos, makeup and whatnot. Surely ZOS considered this...Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner0 -
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Yes, yes and 10 more times yes! I'm ok to look even uglier if I can toggle it on for the battle and switch to normal look (slightly pale) afterwards. Example:If vampirism was a toggle like werewolf then it would be equitable in my view, both skill lines are only ugly when they have their strengths turned on.
4 stages and feeding can still be there but purely for cosmetics (on stage 4 you'll turn into something equally ugly to the thing on the right side of the picture above and be chased by town guards). It's not a big inconvenience to bite an npc every 6 hours...
Though, from other side if there will be no timer on vamp ultimate switch, then WW will march on strike. However, it's probably all about balancing the strength of the active battle skills so both would remain equally attractive to play around with.
I thought wolfies have stamina regeneration bonus on all the time if they have their transformation ultimate equipped. Should check on mine later.Or have werewolf on all the time with its passives on all the time and a scary skin on all the time. This would make werewolf players who like fashion angry but those who would be a werewolf for the stats only wouldn’t care, same as it is currently for vampires.
I do respect Marilyn Manson as an artist, but I don't want my char to look like him all the time xDDDDI think vampires look cool but I get how people disagree, my reasoning for denying it is that it would tip the scales in vampires favor vs werewolves more so than it already is,
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭Just to enlight some folks here, being a vampire has consequences beyond the fugly looks. While the looks has no impact on combat or balance of the game, the extra fire damage is an actual price to pay for the blessings. OP does not ask for that to go away, pretty faces could still burn bad. And this is the only, real drawback, the one that affects game balance. One can debate the ratio on pain vs gain - should the fire damage be more, should passives work only if a vamp skill is slotted etc... but none of these debates have to be tied to the look of the character.
A big difference between WW and vampire is that the WW can change on demand. A WW can change during combat, reap the benefits and then go on his everyday job without any restrictions. Vampires cannot go back and forth easily, not even outside combat.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner1 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
The reasoning is your Curse has consequences. You want to eat your cake without getting fat?
lmao what the hell kind of reason is that. "you're a vampire so you have to be ugly." that is a very poor argument and it makes zero sense. what is the point of cosmetics if we can't make our characters look cool?
It's a curse, not a makeover.
Cure the curse, look cool again (and become a bit weaker like us mere mortal), I choose not look like that and I lose out on some abilities and passives. You can make the same choice too. Power has to come at a cost.Edited by Zardayne on August 24, 2018 5:50PM2 -
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Yes, yes and 10 more times yes! I'm ok to look even uglier if I can toggle it on for the battle and switch to normal look (slightly pale) afterwards. Example:If vampirism was a toggle like werewolf then it would be equitable in my view, both skill lines are only ugly when they have their strengths turned on.
4 stages and feeding can still be there but purely for cosmetics (on stage 4 you'll turn into something equally ugly to the thing on the right side of the picture above and be chased by town guards). It's not a big inconvenience to bite an npc every 6 hours...
Though, from other side if there will be no timer on vamp ultimate switch, then WW will march on strike. However, it's probably all about balancing the strength of the active battle skills so both would remain equally attractive to play around with.
I thought wolfies have stamina regeneration bonus on all the time if they have their transformation ultimate equipped. Should check on mine later.Or have werewolf on all the time with its passives on all the time and a scary skin on all the time. This would make werewolf players who like fashion angry but those who would be a werewolf for the stats only wouldn’t care, same as it is currently for vampires.
I do respect Marilyn Manson as an artist, but I don't want my char to look like him all the time xDDDDI think vampires look cool but I get how people disagree, my reasoning for denying it is that it would tip the scales in vampires favor vs werewolves more so than it already is,
Yes ww have a stamina regen if they slot the ultimate but vampires have their passives and don’t have to take up any spots on their bars. Now if vamp was an ultimate and it only gave passive when it was on the bar, then we’d be equal again.
Also I LOVE that picture. I do wish vampires in ESO looked like that! More terrifyingEdited by max_only on August 24, 2018 5:48PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Genuine question, do any of those skins come from the base game initial purchase or are they all behind dungeons that require either a purchase or an eso + unlock?
I’m trying to show the logic in Zos doing this. They think being “ugly” is a good enough balance deterrent (subjective) and even if it’s poor design, it’s apparently effective given how many people want it to change and how many topics about this get opened, viewed, and not acted upon.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »@ShadowHvo i think you are the one who doesn't understand. i have never once suggested they change how stage 4 looks, from the very get-go i have asked for the ability to change our appearance which is something entirely optional.
Nah. It’s you.
He said it’s a minor cosmetic negative.
There’s very little drawbacks (only positives) for Vampirism. That’s why pretty much every class, build and their mother runs Vampire right now.
and how does giving us the ability to change our appearance change that?
Simple. The nasty appearance is enough to keep at least some people away from the meta.
Giving people an “out” for the nastiness factor will make it standard for pretty much everything. (Even more so than it already is).
Exactly my point. It is currently one of the drawbacks, and to most it is the largest one.
The vampire in general has little drawback, which is why it is in my opinion necessary to give the vampire approbiate strengths and weaknesses, are they to give us an option to remove the largest drawback currently, aka the undeath appearance of the vampire.
Again, I am all for the skin, but a skin alone doesn't solve the problem at its core.Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »
Yes, yes and 10 more times yes! I'm ok to look even uglier if I can toggle it on for the battle and switch to normal look (slightly pale) afterwards. Example:If vampirism was a toggle like werewolf then it would be equitable in my view, both skill lines are only ugly when they have their strengths turned on.
4 stages and feeding can still be there but purely for cosmetics (on stage 4 you'll turn into something equally ugly to the thing on the right side of the picture above and be chased by town guards). It's not a big inconvenience to bite an npc every 6 hours...
Though, from other side if there will be no timer on vamp ultimate switch, then WW will march on strike. However, it's probably all about balancing the strength of the active battle skills so both would remain equally attractive to play around with.
I thought wolfies have stamina regeneration bonus on all the time if they have their transformation ultimate equipped. Should check on mine later.Or have werewolf on all the time with its passives on all the time and a scary skin on all the time. This would make werewolf players who like fashion angry but those who would be a werewolf for the stats only wouldn’t care, same as it is currently for vampires.
I do respect Marilyn Manson as an artist, but I don't want my char to look like him all the time xDDDDI think vampires look cool but I get how people disagree, my reasoning for denying it is that it would tip the scales in vampires favor vs werewolves more so than it already is,
The problem with this is simple: Its not how vampires function in Elder Scrolls, the only case of this is the Vampire Lord, which so far is unique to 4 characters in canon - Dragonborn, Harkon, Serana and Valerica. (But even with a vampire lord form, they look rather monstrous in their normal appearance too)
Vampires in Tamriel have hidden their monstrous natures with illusions, masks or otherwise being fortunate enough to be of cyrodiil vampyrum order. But to make vampirism a toggeable state, or otherwise an ultimate like the Werewolf would completely defeat the purpose of what vampirism is in Elder Scrolls. Its not something they transform into, for it is their very being.
Plus... if the Vampire Lord form were given to players in ESO, it would be a watered down MMO version that would completely ruin the legendary status of infamous creature. To give it to players would be to bring it ruin.
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