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Silks of the Sun vs Julianos (MagDK)
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✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »TheStealthDude wrote: »Sets that add 400 WD/SD to a conditional damage type ARE affected by maj/min brutality/sorcery buffs, as well as other unique %-based modifiers.
Yep. While it was heavily reumored that these sets were not affected by the brutality/sorcery buffs, we had a definitive thread about a year ago around the Homestead or Morrowind updates that showed testing done proving that these set bonuses were in fact modified by the buffs and other modifiers
So it seems like for a magDK DPS, silks is the clear winner between the two, right?
not so easy... sun does not affect your heals except the one from embers (which escalates with dmg done)
But in most PvE content, a magDK DPS isn't going to be casting a lot of self heals. The healer will carry the bulk of that burden, and for content like vMA, Embers is the primary heal anyway, with the other defensives being Reflective Scale and Harness/Dampen (which scale off max magicka anyway, so Julianos would be no more helpful for those). Coagulating blood would benefit from Julianos, but I believe that is the only heal skill a DK would cast in PvE such as vMA, and I don't see it commonly used there.
It's looking more and more like (to me anyway) Silks is the better set for magDK damage dealer. Julianos might be more versatile, especially if you cast a lot of self-heals, but the numbers all point to silks outperforming it in terms of raw damage.
Ok, if its for PvE, then it's a great set. In PvP it loses some utility for what I mentioned.
Just make sure not to rely on magicka dmg skills (DKs has some of them)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »TheStealthDude wrote: »Sets that add 400 WD/SD to a conditional damage type ARE affected by maj/min brutality/sorcery buffs, as well as other unique %-based modifiers.
Yep. While it was heavily reumored that these sets were not affected by the brutality/sorcery buffs, we had a definitive thread about a year ago around the Homestead or Morrowind updates that showed testing done proving that these set bonuses were in fact modified by the buffs and other modifiers
So it seems like for a magDK DPS, silks is the clear winner between the two, right?
not so easy... sun does not affect your heals except the one from embers (which escalates with dmg done)
But in most PvE content, a magDK DPS isn't going to be casting a lot of self heals. The healer will carry the bulk of that burden, and for content like vMA, Embers is the primary heal anyway, with the other defensives being Reflective Scale and Harness/Dampen (which scale off max magicka anyway, so Julianos would be no more helpful for those). Coagulating blood would benefit from Julianos, but I believe that is the only heal skill a DK would cast in PvE such as vMA, and I don't see it commonly used there.
It's looking more and more like (to me anyway) Silks is the better set for magDK damage dealer. Julianos might be more versatile, especially if you cast a lot of self-heals, but the numbers all point to silks outperforming it in terms of raw damage.
Ok, if its for PvE, then it's a great set. In PvP it loses some utility for what I mentioned.
Just make sure not to rely on magicka dmg skills (DKs has some of them)
Yes, I'm only concerned about Silks' viability in PvE. I run Shackle and Torugs in PvP, but I don't use Inhale/Deep Breath (magic damage, followed by fire damage) in either instance. Healing ward is my heal in PvP, plus battle roar passive and tripots. Otherwise, I believe that and Stonefist are the only magic damage skills in the DK toolkit. I may be forgetting something though...
Either way, it's easy to avoid them to get the 100% outgoing fire damage, and therefore the maximum benefit from Silks.0 -
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✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »TheStealthDude wrote: »Sets that add 400 WD/SD to a conditional damage type ARE affected by maj/min brutality/sorcery buffs, as well as other unique %-based modifiers.
Yep. While it was heavily reumored that these sets were not affected by the brutality/sorcery buffs, we had a definitive thread about a year ago around the Homestead or Morrowind updates that showed testing done proving that these set bonuses were in fact modified by the buffs and other modifiers
So it seems like for a magDK DPS, silks is the clear winner between the two, right?
not so easy... sun does not affect your heals except the one from embers (which escalates with dmg done)
But in most PvE content, a magDK DPS isn't going to be casting a lot of self heals. The healer will carry the bulk of that burden, and for content like vMA, Embers is the primary heal anyway, with the other defensives being Reflective Scale and Harness/Dampen (which scale off max magicka anyway, so Julianos would be no more helpful for those). Coagulating blood would benefit from Julianos, but I believe that is the only heal skill a DK would cast in PvE such as vMA, and I don't see it commonly used there.
It's looking more and more like (to me anyway) Silks is the better set for magDK damage dealer. Julianos might be more versatile, especially if you cast a lot of self-heals, but the numbers all point to silks outperforming it in terms of raw damage.
Ok, if its for PvE, then it's a great set. In PvP it loses some utility for what I mentioned.
Just make sure not to rely on magicka dmg skills (DKs has some of them)
Yes, I'm only concerned about Silks' viability in PvE. I run Shackle and Torugs in PvP, but I don't use Inhale/Deep Breath (magic damage, followed by fire damage) in either instance. Healing ward is my heal in PvP, plus battle roar passive and tripots. Otherwise, I believe that and Stonefist are the only magic damage skills in the DK toolkit. I may be forgetting something though...
Either way, it's easy to avoid them to get the 100% outgoing fire damage, and therefore the maximum benefit from Silks.
Petrify, spiked armor, Choking talons and heals such as Cauterize, Coag, cinderstorm.
In any case, the importance of Julianos relies not only the extra spell dmg, but also the extra crit chance it has. As a mDK it is a pain in the ass to build crit even with inferno slotted, but that's anothe discussion (on the "useful" passives we have)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Two words... Elf Bane.
I'm not really considering Elf bane because all of the flame DOTs already have sufficient uptime, without much management needed. Plus, the real DPS numbers (on my parses, anyway) come from light attacks and whip, which would be unaffected by the bonus of Elf Bane. I guess it would help a pretty good amount with Standard, but for the most part, I don't think it fits my needs.
I wouldnt touch your BSW as you have the weapons. If you really are in melee, Zaan is better than skoria, but nothing wrong with the later. You are going to be splitting hairs between SOTS and Julianos, but as others have said, pretty easy to make a set and test.
Elfbane, is a great noob set on a mDK, as it makes the rotaion easier to manage. It is NOT best in slot, and if you find it to be, it means your rotation prob needs a bit of work. It's absolutely viable, just not the best option if your rotation is on point.
The best option to replace IA is Siroria, just farm VCR on normal and get the body pieces, and use BSW rings and staff. Either Julianos or SotS will work just fine in the meantime.0 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭56K centurian dummy group dps with 5 BSW + 5 Sun + 2 Skoria.
Was holding 62K+ till i weapon swapped and no ability wanted to be casted for a couple of seconds.
Everytime i test with Zann, i get slightly worse character response, especially when weapon swapping.
Trails are very...inconsistent since some bosses have a lot of movement and some do not, which is the biggest issue with the mDK.
Julianos gave me lower dps than Sun, by far in raids after testing for a week.
I still need 2 Siroria pieces that refuse to drop, but thinking about it more and more how the boss movements are increasing, it may give lower dps in some trails while higher dps in others (vAA, vHRC, vSO will be good except vHRC HM when you stop to move for mechanics).Edited by ZoM_Head on August 24, 2018 6:27AMmDKs still need a lot of love!1 -
md3788✭✭✭56K centurian dummy group dps with 5 BSW + 5 Sun + 2 Skoria.
Was holding 62K+ till i weapon swapped and no ability wanted to be casted for a couple of seconds.
Everytime i test with Zann, i get slightly worse character response, especially when weapon swapping.
Trails are very...inconsistent since some bosses have a lot of movement and some do not, which is the biggest issue with the mDK.
Julianos gave me lower dps than Sun, by far in raids after testing for a week.
I still need 2 Siroria pieces that refuse to drop, but thinking about it more and more how the boss movements are increasing, it may give lower dps in some trails while higher dps in others (vAA, vHRC, vSO will be good except vHRC HM when you stop to move for mechanics).
62k on a MagDK? That's insane. Interested in seeing your set up (traits, CPs, mundus)Edited by md3788 on August 25, 2018 1:08AMvFG1 HM0 -
Chibs✭✭✭✭56K centurian dummy group dps with 5 BSW + 5 Sun + 2 Skoria.
Was holding 62K+ till i weapon swapped and no ability wanted to be casted for a couple of seconds.
Everytime i test with Zann, i get slightly worse character response, especially when weapon swapping.
Trails are very...inconsistent since some bosses have a lot of movement and some do not, which is the biggest issue with the mDK.
Julianos gave me lower dps than Sun, by far in raids after testing for a week.
I still need 2 Siroria pieces that refuse to drop, but thinking about it more and more how the boss movements are increasing, it may give lower dps in some trails while higher dps in others (vAA, vHRC, vSO will be good except vHRC HM when you stop to move for mechanics).
Wait.. You're parsing at 62k with BSW Sun and Skoria?56K centurian dummy group dps with 5 BSW + 5 Sun + 2 Skoria.
Was holding 62K+ till i weapon swapped and no ability wanted to be casted for a couple of seconds.
Everytime i test with Zann, i get slightly worse character response, especially when weapon swapping.
Trails are very...inconsistent since some bosses have a lot of movement and some do not, which is the biggest issue with the mDK.
Julianos gave me lower dps than Sun, by far in raids after testing for a week.
I still need 2 Siroria pieces that refuse to drop, but thinking about it more and more how the boss movements are increasing, it may give lower dps in some trails while higher dps in others (vAA, vHRC, vSO will be good except vHRC HM when you stop to move for mechanics).
62k on a MagDK? That's insane. Interested in seeing your set up (traits, CPs, mundus)
Well he stated he had trials buffs so that’s not that hard to believe. Silks is great and better than Siroria got a lot of fights.
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