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Non DLC dungeons need to be slightly harder
Bigevilpeter
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At least hard enough to make people follow mechanics, they can be sorted as easy, medium and hard.
The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum and the harder ones should be slightly easier than dlc dungeons.
Currently dailies are just a boring repetitive chore
The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum and the harder ones should be slightly easier than dlc dungeons.
Currently dailies are just a boring repetitive chore
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.19 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.
OP is talking about vet dungeons. Some of the base game dungeons are incredibly easy. Most players can fairly easily solo vet City of Ash I, for example.
In groups, these dungeons are over in a few minutes as 4 players burn down the bosses in a matter of seconds, bypassing all the mechanics.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 23, 2018 6:41PM4 -
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✭✭✭Nah. I had a heck of a time dragging three pugs through Vet Banished Cells 2.
Overall they are in a good spot, maybe with COH2 being a bit overtuned still.4 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.
OP is talking about vet dungeons. Some of the base game dungeons are incredibly easy. Most players can fairly easily solo vet City of Ash I, for example.
In groups, these dingeons are over in a few minutes as 4 players burn down the bosses in a matter of seconds, bypassing all the mechanics.
He is? Where in his post does he mention ANYTHING about vet level?1 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭I think they all need to be harder or the power creep needs to be toned down.Edited by Malacthulhu on August 23, 2018 4:28PMXbox One Na3 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.
OP is talking about vet dungeons. Some of the base game dungeons are incredibly easy. Most players can fairly easily solo vet City of Ash I, for example.
In groups, these dingeons are over in a few minutes as 4 players burn down the bosses in a matter of seconds, bypassing all the mechanics.
He is? Where in his post does he mention ANYTHING about vet level?
Im talking about Vet dungeons ofc, normal dungeons don't even count they are too easy even for beginners and are there just for players to try the dungeon before the do the real one0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.21 -
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✭✭I'm quite certain based on my last two weeks of pug tanking base game vet dungeons, that not everyone has 30k dps minimum. It's good that there's a range of difficulties.13 -
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✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.
OP is talking about vet dungeons. Some of the base game dungeons are incredibly easy. Most players can fairly easily solo vet City of Ash I, for example.
In groups, these dingeons are over in a few minutes as 4 players burn down the bosses in a matter of seconds, bypassing all the mechanics.
He is? Where in his post does he mention ANYTHING about vet level?
Im talking about Vet dungeons ofc, normal dungeons don't even count they are too easy even for beginners and are there just for players to try the dungeon before the do the real one
And tbh I NEVER do that. I'd hate it to not know the real 'danger' of any given mechanic/monster and then be 'surprised' on vet.
For me; normals are only for farming gear. If that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When I Tank in group finder, the group DPS is typically less than 30k. Of course, if you know your hand from your arse, 30k is trivial on any class, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the playerbase is simply not there.
I am certainly fine with buffing some of the older dungeons on vet, but one of your premises is flawed.0 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.
Seriosly its so easy to get 30k with a little rotation training and with group buffs, if you cant do that then you need practice you can do the easy non dlc dungeons and then progress to medium then hard.
Im not a veteran player and i only cleared craglorn trials and I pull 40-50k solo buffed dps on every single class magika and stamina I have, which i have all of them btw. 30k dps is not too much in current game0 -
crjs1✭✭✭✭✭They really aren’t that easy for a great many of players... just pug for a while and see. The vet difficulty of fine as it is. Not everyone can do 30k DPS. The incessant push for higher and higher DPS in my opinion is really damaging to the game. Let’s not make vet dungeons inaccessible elite zones.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you think everyone has 30k dps minimum, you really don't pug that much. I'd say the average dps among all players of this game is somewhere around 8k, maybe. Yes, elite players can push 50k and anyone that puts some effort in should top 20k, but do not underestimate the casual crowd that makes up a large majority of this game and doesn't want to be excluded from even more content that they already feel is largely out of reach.16 -
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✭✭✭✭I have no problem with 4 year old content being extremely easy for fully geared, leveled, and experienced players. They can find challenge elsewhere.
The existing difficulty of dungeons already provides a nice entry curve for new players--who DO actually have to play mechanics in Banished Cells 1 and whatnot.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.
Seriosly its so easy to get 30k with a little rotation training and with group buffs, if you cant do that then you need practice you can do the easy non dlc dungeons and then progress to medium then hard.
Im not a veteran player and i only cleared craglorn trials and I pull 40-50k solo buffed dps on every single class magika and stamina I have, which i have all of them btw. 30k dps is not too much in current game
And these characters of yours, are they fully equipped with gold gear? Perhaps using the current metasheep builds with min/maxed stats and skill synergies?
When figuring out the difficulty level dungeons should be at, you should not be basing it on what you can get with an ok rotation using the theoretical highest DPS build with BiS gear and group buffs. You need to allow for some build diversity. Not to mention the fact that people very often are running these dungeons to get the gear they need. Good grief, now I'm having flashbacks to my time in other MMOs where people were demanding you already have a full set of top tier raid gear to join their normal dungeon groups.
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TheUndeadAmulet✭✭✭✭✭Lol you have obviously not tried to do a PUG run as a tank before.XBOX NA 1000+ CP
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✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.
Seriosly its so easy to get 30k with a little rotation training and with group buffs, if you cant do that then you need practice you can do the easy non dlc dungeons and then progress to medium then hard.
Im not a veteran player and i only cleared craglorn trials and I pull 40-50k solo buffed dps on every single class magika and stamina I have, which i have all of them btw. 30k dps is not too much in current game
We get it. You think very highly of yourself. But here's the reality. People who work full time jobs (I'm sure you do too. Probably work overtime every day as well) dont find it "easy" to put together a 30k DPS build. I have played for a long time. I have 2 accounts and only 4 toons fully golded and specced. Why? Because the investment to do so is not for the casual player who only has a few hours a week to play. It's fair to say that the majority of players are in the 10-12k DPS range. I know of many people who cannot clear VMA. ESO has a good mix of content for different skill levels. Not everyone has time to "practice " being a God like you.Enemy to many
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Thialmer✭✭When I run with my guilds, I always say I wish the vet dungeons were a little harder. When I tank for pugs, or even dps with a pug tank, I realize that dungeons are at the difficulty they are for a reason.3 -
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ROTFL. You obviously haven't used the Group Finder lately.Bigevilpeter wrote: »everyone now has 30k dps minimum
So don't do them. I pretty much exclusively run vet DLC dungeons and vet DLC trials these days. I mean, I don't quest much because it's boring, but that doesn't mean I go around asking that overland content be made harder. It's a big game, with a big population, and an extremely wide diversity of skill levels, and all this calls for a wide diversity of content.Bigevilpeter wrote: »Currently dailies are just a boring repetitive chore
We shouldn't buff the content aimed at more casual players for the same reason we shouldn't nerf the content aimed at endgame players.Edited by code65536 on August 23, 2018 9:16PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.
Seriosly its so easy to get 30k with a little rotation training and with group buffs, if you cant do that then you need practice you can do the easy non dlc dungeons and then progress to medium then hard.
Im not a veteran player and i only cleared craglorn trials and I pull 40-50k solo buffed dps on every single class magika and stamina I have, which i have all of them btw. 30k dps is not too much in current game
We get it. You think very highly of yourself. But here's the reality. People who work full time jobs (I'm sure you do too. Probably work overtime every day as well) dont find it "easy" to put together a 30k DPS build. I have played for a long time. I have 2 accounts and only 4 toons fully golded and specced. Why? Because the investment to do so is not for the casual player who only has a few hours a week to play. It's fair to say that the majority of players are in the 10-12k DPS range. I know of many people who cannot clear VMA. ESO has a good mix of content for different skill levels. Not everyone has time to "practice " being a God like you.
It really doesnt take so much time to learn, you just need to know how to do it right, most people just spam one skill and forget their dots and dont even to weave light attacks, I was able to get people above 30k dps just by explaining to them how dps works, btw im not saying dungeons should require 30k dps, I think 20k is fine, but im just saying that many people can easily get it with average gear and rotation0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Fungal Grotto 1 isn't meant for a full CP character. Of course it is going to be easy on vet. The dungeons progress in difficulty, so new players aren't pushed into nightmare mode the first time they try a vet dungeon. People really need to remember what it was like the first time they did one on vet and get off their high horses.3 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »At least hard enough to make people follow mechanics, they can be sorted as easy, medium and hard.
The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum and the harder ones should be slightly easier than dlc dungeons.
Currently dailies are just a boring repetitive chore
There already are three modes: normal, vet, and vet hard mode. I think they are fine where they're at now.1 -
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✭Go do Vet dungeons if you want "harder" dungeons. You have to remember the new players that are JUST starting to do dungeons. It's still "hard" for them.
the original line up if your having issues you need to learn to play im sorry but 30k dps which is as easy as breathing to pull now melts the original lineup on vetmode. normal your like a walking middlefinger0 -
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✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »The medium should be as hard as City of Ash 2 since everyone now has 30k dps minimum ....
Except ‘everyone’ absolutely does NOT have this. Even veteran players.
Seriosly its so easy to get 30k with a little rotation training and with group buffs, if you cant do that then you need practice you can do the easy non dlc dungeons and then progress to medium then hard.
Im not a veteran player and i only cleared craglorn trials and I pull 40-50k solo buffed dps on every single class magika and stamina I have, which i have all of them btw. 30k dps is not too much in current game
We get it. You think very highly of yourself. But here's the reality. People who work full time jobs (I'm sure you do too. Probably work overtime every day as well) dont find it "easy" to put together a 30k DPS build. I have played for a long time. I have 2 accounts and only 4 toons fully golded and specced. Why? Because the investment to do so is not for the casual player who only has a few hours a week to play. It's fair to say that the majority of players are in the 10-12k DPS range. I know of many people who cannot clear VMA. ESO has a good mix of content for different skill levels. Not everyone has time to "practice " being a God like you.
It really doesnt take so much time to learn, you just need to know how to do it right, most people just spam one skill and forget their dots and dont even to weave light attacks, I was able to get people above 30k dps just by explaining to them how dps works, btw im not saying dungeons should require 30k dps, I think 20k is fine, but im just saying that many people can easily get it with average gear and rotation
Some people don't care enough to do research and practice a rotation. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have content to do.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA3 -
DorianDragonRaze✭✭✭✭Remove your VMA weapon and sets that you farmed in hard trials and try to pull your 30K DPS again.
See, the player base is growing constantly, or should be growing, and that's what we all want to see, so if you and your guild mates have all the hard fought BIS gear, that does not mean that "almost everyone can do 30K DPS", so please stop thinking like that.
My mag sorc is yet to get VMA staff, and I'm still working on DPS to break 30K. But in 9 of 10 veteran dungeons in random groups formed with the group finder I do more than 50% damage. Sometimes 70%.
You've been playing this game a lot and already have the most of the road behind. Don't forget about thousands of those who are in the beginning of this fantastic journey.
You've had your portion of struggle to become so good DD now enjoy it.
Edited by DorianDragonRaze on August 23, 2018 9:56PMI used to be an adventurer like you, then I got the ESO on my hard drive...3 -
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✭Have you and your group remove their cp, its so much fun. You literally Can't even think fast enough before your already dead.3 -
DorianDragonRaze✭✭✭✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Have you and your group remove their cp, its so much fun. You literally Can't even think fast enough before your already dead.
Right, everybody can choose own difficulty level just by tweaking CP.I used to be an adventurer like you, then I got the ESO on my hard drive...0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭Please don't take away my 10-minute nBC1, nFG1, nWS1, nDC1, nEH1, and nSC1 runs. I like to hoard undaunted keys
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✭DorianDragonRaze wrote: »bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »Have you and your group remove their cp, its so much fun. You literally Can't even think fast enough before your already dead.
Right, everybody can choose own difficulty level just by tweaking CP.
Maybe like vet+ like once you do vet in that dungeon you qualify for vet+0
