Honestly, as one of the people who has all the original loyalty rewards, it would be disappointing to see them come back. Even as reskins. I'm not sure how I feel about loyalty rewards being a thing again, especially since they already have daily login rewards, but I can say for sure it would greatly disappoint me to see even something similar to my ice wraith pet come out again, for example, because you know even a reskin would make it less special.
I mean, if you're going to bring loyalty rewards back, at least make some new, different, interesting things for them instead of taking away value for the few that were there from the start, had faith from the beginning instead of jumping on the bandwagon later, and in my case, did the work to make sure everything transferred over to console and made that his home over PC on blind faith that it would work.
I just wanna make clear, I'm not for or against new players getting loyalty benefits. But I am against newer players' loyalty being rewarded over veteran players. And we're not just talking veteran players, we're talking about the original veterans, the very first to play this game and hold a subscription.
After around $6,000USD spent on this game and almost 5 years playing it, having played since before the game was released in the beta, and sticking with it, keeping a subscription active even through hard financial times until the loyalty program was discontinued (and said to never be coming back), it would feel like a real kick in the balls to see another tiger mount, let alone a cooler looking tiger mount.
tl;dr I don't want or think that it's a good idea to bring back or have reskins of the original loyalty rewards.
Most of you loyalty rewards have already been reskinned
Carbonised wrote: »It would also be a nice gesture to bring back the old loyalty rewards. It's essentially the same, you get a free pet/mount after x time of subscription, and many of us would like a chance at some of the old loyalty rewards before the program got shelved.
Carbonised wrote: »It would also be a nice gesture to bring back the old loyalty rewards. It's essentially the same, you get a free pet/mount after x time of subscription, and many of us would like a chance at some of the old loyalty rewards before the program got shelved.
^ This. ^
I missed out on the tiger mount but would love him. Tightness of budget at the time meant I had to stop my sub for a few months.
special loyalty lootboxes, like 1 box for each month u sub, wich cointains a chance for rare loyalty mount (like a skeleton dragon mount) wich wil get no reskin for free players
Honestly, as one of the people who has all the original loyalty rewards, it would be disappointing to see them come back. Even as reskins. I'm not sure how I feel about loyalty rewards being a thing again, especially since they already have daily login rewards, but I can say for sure it would greatly disappoint me to see even something similar to my ice wraith pet come out again, for example, because you know even a reskin would make it less special.
I mean, if you're going to bring loyalty rewards back, at least make some new, different, interesting things for them instead of taking away value for the few that were there from the start, had faith from the beginning instead of jumping on the bandwagon later, and in my case, did the work to make sure everything transferred over to console and made that his home over PC on blind faith that it would work.
I just wanna make clear, I'm not for or against new players getting loyalty benefits. But I am against newer players' loyalty being rewarded over veteran players. And we're not just talking veteran players, we're talking about the original veterans, the very first to play this game and hold a subscription.
After around $6,000USD spent on this game and almost 5 years playing it, having played since before the game was released in the beta, and sticking with it, keeping a subscription active even through hard financial times until the loyalty program was discontinued (and said to never be coming back), it would feel like a real kick in the balls to see another tiger mount, let alone a cooler looking tiger mount.
tl;dr I don't want or think that it's a good idea to bring back or have reskins of the original loyalty rewards.
Honestly, as one of the people who has all the original loyalty rewards, it would be disappointing to see them come back. Even as reskins. I'm not sure how I feel about loyalty rewards being a thing again, especially since they already have daily login rewards, but I can say for sure it would greatly disappoint me to see even something similar to my ice wraith pet come out again, for example, because you know even a reskin would make it less special.
I mean, if you're going to bring loyalty rewards back, at least make some new, different, interesting things for them instead of taking away value for the few that were there from the start, had faith from the beginning instead of jumping on the bandwagon later, and in my case, did the work to make sure everything transferred over to console and made that his home over PC on blind faith that it would work.
I just wanna make clear, I'm not for or against new players getting loyalty benefits. But I am against newer players' loyalty being rewarded over veteran players. And we're not just talking veteran players, we're talking about the original veterans, the very first to play this game and hold a subscription.
After around $6,000USD spent on this game and almost 5 years playing it, having played since before the game was released in the beta, and sticking with it, keeping a subscription active even through hard financial times until the loyalty program was discontinued (and said to never be coming back), it would feel like a real kick in the balls to see another tiger mount, let alone a cooler looking tiger mount.
tl;dr I don't want or think that it's a good idea to bring back or have reskins of the original loyalty rewards.
As one of the people who worked on the original mainframe computers, I resent the idea of you newcomers being able to have portability and graphics and stuff. Get off my lawn!
Honestly, as one of the people who has all the original loyalty rewards, it would be disappointing to see them come back. Even as reskins. I'm not sure how I feel about loyalty rewards being a thing again, especially since they already have daily login rewards, but I can say for sure it would greatly disappoint me to see even something similar to my ice wraith pet come out again, for example, because you know even a reskin would make it less special.
I mean, if you're going to bring loyalty rewards back, at least make some new, different, interesting things for them instead of taking away value for the few that were there from the start, had faith from the beginning instead of jumping on the bandwagon later, and in my case, did the work to make sure everything transferred over to console and made that his home over PC on blind faith that it would work.
I just wanna make clear, I'm not for or against new players getting loyalty benefits. But I am against newer players' loyalty being rewarded over veteran players. And we're not just talking veteran players, we're talking about the original veterans, the very first to play this game and hold a subscription.
After around $6,000USD spent on this game and almost 5 years playing it, having played since before the game was released in the beta, and sticking with it, keeping a subscription active even through hard financial times until the loyalty program was discontinued (and said to never be coming back), it would feel like a real kick in the balls to see another tiger mount, let alone a cooler looking tiger mount.
tl;dr I don't want or think that it's a good idea to bring back or have reskins of the original loyalty rewards.
As one of the people who worked on the original mainframe computers, I resent the idea of you newcomers being able to have portability and graphics and stuff. Get off my lawn!
More accurately what I'm saying is that I don't think the newcomers should be able to work on the original mainframe computers. The metaphor would more accurately be saying that "Hey, you young'uns have these amazing graphics and portability - your phone is already more sleek and more powerful and more connected than my room-sized computer from back in the day - why would you want to have the same computer as me, other than to take away the one special thing that I have?"
Just about everything in this game can be gotten with either enough time investment or enough money investment. Why do you want to take away the only thing that is special to someone who doesn't have the time and money to invest to keep up? I still love the game, arguably more than most, considering the loyalty I've shown and have continued to show, so why should I have stuff taken away for no discernible benefit outside of people who enjoy taking things away from me?
There are other, FAR better ways to solve the problems of "not having a thing even though I want the thing" than taking away that one special thing someone has. I've heard some on these forums and I've come up with some of my own. If you really want I'll even make a list for you. But please, please don't compare me to someone who's just biased against players because they're new.
Honestly, as one of the people who has all the original loyalty rewards, it would be disappointing to see them come back. Even as reskins. I'm not sure how I feel about loyalty rewards being a thing again, especially since they already have daily login rewards, but I can say for sure it would greatly disappoint me to see even something similar to my ice wraith pet come out again, for example, because you know even a reskin would make it less special.
I mean, if you're going to bring loyalty rewards back, at least make some new, different, interesting things for them instead of taking away value for the few that were there from the start, had faith from the beginning instead of jumping on the bandwagon later, and in my case, did the work to make sure everything transferred over to console and made that his home over PC on blind faith that it would work.
I just wanna make clear, I'm not for or against new players getting loyalty benefits. But I am against newer players' loyalty being rewarded over veteran players. And we're not just talking veteran players, we're talking about the original veterans, the very first to play this game and hold a subscription.
After around $6,000USD spent on this game and almost 5 years playing it, having played since before the game was released in the beta, and sticking with it, keeping a subscription active even through hard financial times until the loyalty program was discontinued (and said to never be coming back), it would feel like a real kick in the balls to see another tiger mount, let alone a cooler looking tiger mount.
tl;dr I don't want or think that it's a good idea to bring back or have reskins of the original loyalty rewards.
As one of the people who worked on the original mainframe computers, I resent the idea of you newcomers being able to have portability and graphics and stuff. Get off my lawn!
More accurately what I'm saying is that I don't think the newcomers should be able to work on the original mainframe computers. The metaphor would more accurately be saying that "Hey, you young'uns have these amazing graphics and portability - your phone is already more sleek and more powerful and more connected than my room-sized computer from back in the day - why would you want to have the same computer as me, other than to take away the one special thing that I have?"
Just about everything in this game can be gotten with either enough time investment or enough money investment. Why do you want to take away the only thing that is special to someone who doesn't have the time and money to invest to keep up? I still love the game, arguably more than most, considering the loyalty I've shown and have continued to show, so why should I have stuff taken away for no discernible benefit outside of people who enjoy taking things away from me?
There are other, FAR better ways to solve the problems of "not having a thing even though I want the thing" than taking away that one special thing someone has. I've heard some on these forums and I've come up with some of my own. If you really want I'll even make a list for you. But please, please don't compare me to someone who's just biased against players because they're new.
Kinda hard to do that, when you come off to a lot of folks as being biased against new players just because they're new. It's just like the limited-timers being upset that their purchases came back in crates, or the crate-haters being biased against people who spend thousands to get the rare rewards, just because they're too broke/proud to spend the money themselves.
You have your reward, and whatever it means to you, it'll keep meaning it regardless of whoever else also has it. You'll still know what it represents; you'll still know what you did to obtain it. Why does it matter if some other player you've never encountered before shows up with an outdated, yellowish tiger to ride on or a similarly unattractive bone-monster floating around in the air behind them? What good does it possibly do you to know that they paid for a subscription years ago instead of a few months ago?
Try and be a little less selfish; it's not like the newer players have to pull their rewards out of your personal collections tab.
Assuming there milestones, makes sense to have them. I would like at the year milestone to be able to purchase from CS any one house they have offered to date. Not asking for a discount just the ability to buy one house that has been offered up to that date of using the milestone reward.
at six months they could do the same for mounts.
This would allow for players that came into the game after they have been offered to have a path to acquire them.
An added benefit I would like to see to all ESO+ is that costumes owned also have the parts broken down in the outfit system as clothes skins. The holiday in Balmora Costume would have a chest, pants and shoes counterpart in the clothes outfit section. This would add value to ESO+ without having PTW thrown around. strictly cosmetic.
1. dont readd the original Loyalty rewards
2. Add new ones. like a costue, or eemote, or memento, or pet, mount. Crate... etc. BUT DDONTREWADD THE ORIGONAL ONE. the tiger, the ice pet and the dwemer sphere belongs to the old players.
B0SSzombie wrote: »Here's a thought.
A way to re-issue the same or alternate colored versions of the original Loyalty Rewards while still keeping the value of what the originals represent:
ADD PARTICLE EFFECTS TO THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
The Vocal Minority that don't want to let others get the Loyalty Rewards don't seem to covet them because of what they ARE, but rather what they stand for. The majority of the player base don't even recognize them for what they are. Heck, I get attacked as a Werewolf by Level 10 and under players on a daily basis because they think I'm a random enemy.
The veterans aren't up-in-arms because it's a Dwarven Sphere, they're arguing because they were part of a comparatively few collection of players to meet the criteria. And that's perfectly fair.
On the flip side, there are people who want the Rewards to be re-released in some capacity because of the actual item. I'm personally a huge dwarven item fan, and I'm sure that there are people who specifically want the Ice Wraith or Tiger because of what they physically are as well.
So how about this? Add a particle effect, like constant golden shimmering light or sparkles, to the "High Hrothgar Ice Wraith Pet," "Loyal Dwarven Sphere Pet," and "Striped Senche Mount" (and maybe the "Mask of Cheerful Slaughter" costume too, although I've NEVER seen a player wearing it). Then release versions or even recolors that completely lack the effect.
It would be impossible to mistake one for the other that way, and the originals will still have something that represents what they truly stand for.
B0SSzombie wrote: »Here's a thought.
A way to re-issue the same or alternate colored versions of the original Loyalty Rewards while still keeping the value of what the originals represent:
ADD PARTICLE EFFECTS TO THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
The Vocal Minority that don't want to let others get the Loyalty Rewards don't seem to covet them because of what they ARE, but rather what they stand for. The majority of the player base don't even recognize them for what they are. Heck, I get attacked as a Werewolf by Level 10 and under players on a daily basis because they think I'm a random enemy.
The veterans aren't up-in-arms because it's a Dwarven Sphere, they're arguing because they were part of a comparatively few collection of players to meet the criteria. And that's perfectly fair.
On the flip side, there are people who want the Rewards to be re-released in some capacity because of the actual item. I'm personally a huge dwarven item fan, and I'm sure that there are people who specifically want the Ice Wraith or Tiger because of what they physically are as well.
So how about this? Add a particle effect, like constant golden shimmering light or sparkles, to the "High Hrothgar Ice Wraith Pet," "Loyal Dwarven Sphere Pet," and "Striped Senche Mount" (and maybe the "Mask of Cheerful Slaughter" costume too, although I've NEVER seen a player wearing it). Then release versions or even recolors that completely lack the effect.
It would be impossible to mistake one for the other that way, and the originals will still have something that represents what they truly stand for.
Sure. why not. Next step. Make them Strange. and count your kills. Or make them unusuals. so you can resell them for Keys.
Carbonised wrote: »It would also be a nice gesture to bring back the old loyalty rewards. It's essentially the same, you get a free pet/mount after x time of subscription, and many of us would like a chance at some of the old loyalty rewards before the program got shelved.
^ This. ^
I missed out on the tiger mount but would love him. Tightness of budget at the time meant I had to stop my sub for a few months.
Maybe if the new system were a continuation of the old one, so new players could still get the old rewards, but every month the old players could still have something to show that they were there first. Not a perfect solution but it would cut down on people whining about how there's something they can't have.
B0SSzombie wrote: »Here's a thought.
A way to re-issue the same or alternate colored versions of the original Loyalty Rewards while still keeping the value of what the originals represent:
ADD PARTICLE EFFECTS TO THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
The Vocal Minority that don't want to let others get the Loyalty Rewards don't seem to covet them because of what they ARE, but rather what they stand for. The majority of the player base don't even recognize them for what they are. Heck, I get attacked as a Werewolf by Level 10 and under players on a daily basis because they think I'm a random enemy.
The veterans aren't up-in-arms because it's a Dwarven Sphere, they're arguing because they were part of a comparatively few collection of players to meet the criteria. And that's perfectly fair.
On the flip side, there are people who want the Rewards to be re-released in some capacity because of the actual item. I'm personally a huge dwarven item fan, and I'm sure that there are people who specifically want the Ice Wraith or Tiger because of what they physically are as well.
So how about this? Add a particle effect, like constant golden shimmering light or sparkles, to the "High Hrothgar Ice Wraith Pet," "Loyal Dwarven Sphere Pet," and "Striped Senche Mount" (and maybe the "Mask of Cheerful Slaughter" costume too, although I've NEVER seen a player wearing it). Then release versions or even recolors that completely lack the effect.
It would be impossible to mistake one for the other that way, and the originals will still have something that represents what they truly stand for.
Assuming there milestones, makes sense to have them. I would like at the year milestone to be able to purchase from CS any one house they have offered to date. Not asking for a discount just the ability to buy one house that has been offered up to that date of using the milestone reward.
at six months they could do the same for mounts.
This would allow for players that came into the game after they have been offered to have a path to acquire them.
Discount on the expensive stuff like mundus stones etc.mommadani907 wrote: »Not the tiger mount. Other than that, all the things from before could be considered.
We should think outside the box too. On top of things like pets and mounts, what else?
Me,
Free character slots
Free tokens for name/race change
PICK A FREE HOUSE
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