There is always another node, always another chest. Don't like what's in the one you find, move on to the next. Easy peasy.

Mureel wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

This is a devil created by ZOS.

The more players have to struggle with inventory management as new and different things get added to the game, the more players are forced to be selective on what they hold. As somebody with a craft bag and a maxed bank account it's still a growing pain to deal with. I cannot imagine those who work to get by without these luxuries.

It's not like its so difficult to delete that rubedite sword from your inventory (on pc you can even get an addon that will do it for you), certain players just don't care about the others and like to pretend that other people do not exist. Those players will run to the chest while you're fighting the mobs that are guarding it etc. Manual looting is slower than autoloot option anyway so it's not like they're saving a lot of time by cherry picking, I'm pretty sure they just like being inconsiderate.
Well, this isnt surprising. So many people leave their trash behind in real life, no wonder that they do the same in a virtual world.
I just don't understand why ZOS cant just make nodes either instanced or "all or nothing" type of deal. It would at least make things fair for everyone, it's really not fun when you pick a columbine and find a worm instead. Partially looted chests are also annoying, it takes a while for them to despawn and respawn again.

Why is it the players responsibility for using the system as intended? It isn't littering, it is simply only taking what you want and need, not unlike hunter gathers.

I mean, in most cases you can drop your trash wherever you want and you wont be penalized or anything, but it doesnt mean you should do that.It's the same as leaving your trash in a cinema or in a park, you're basically forcing someone else to pick and delete things you dont need. It is littering, and it hinders node respawn, so its very inconvenient for other players. Why should other people waste their time running to your partially looted flower or chest? You cant really tell if they're partially looted or not if you see them at a distance.

How can it be littering when the item was there before the player? They simply chose not to pick it up.

Please stop acting like you cannot comprehend her point.

People are leaving garbage in nodes and chests and it is annoying - to the people doing it as well as to those who have done it done to them.

It causes slower respawns, and is just plain pointless. It wrecks farming for everyone.

Behaving pedantically, and muddying the discussion by arguing semantics, is just trolling and nothing more.

"It causes slower respawns,"

Do you have any proof of this claim to provide or is it just what you hope is true so your argument holds?

i ask because the devs have said frequently that respawn does not slow down or change if something is left behind vs everything taken - period. Similarly a few players who have claimed to waste their time testing said the same - no way to verify that.

How about this compromise?

Instead of changing everybody else's play to suit your desires - give a toggle for "hide partially lootted nodes from me completely."

That way everybody upset at finding a partially emptied nodes could with a single click never ever see one again by turning that toggle on and the rest of us could continue to play how we feel like.

I never get over how often the first option folks jump to is "limit everybody else" instead of "let me limit me".

This gets on my nerves also. I don't understand why they just don't make the chest disappear when even 1 item is took out. If someone takes just 1 item and there is stuff left in just make the chest disappear regardless of what is left inside. It will respawn for the next person.

There is many players who are unfair and think of themselves only. I've seen people fighting over nodes and chests, ridiculous. If I see someone running towards it and they seen it first I let them have it not rush to it fighting for it. Sometimes I even tell people the chest is there if I don't want it. Players can be very selfish and nasty.

yiasemi wrote: »

I pick everything and roam far and wide farming as I just started a PC US server account from nothing. But I get maybe one harvest node a week with say just worms, which is alright by me as I like fishing, and maybe 2 chests a week already open with partial looting. And I open a lot. So no, I don't find it a problem, it is at the level that I just ruefully smile and exclaim that dastardly bounder Amundsen has got there first (it's a Brit thing). PC US/EU are OK for me. I assume they opened a chest and ran out of space unexpectedly, and didn't have any crap to destroy. It happens.

I don't get it too often, but there are the occasional occurrences like finding every chest in the area has already been opened and one random crappy item left in each one so it didn't respawn; though that seems to have a certain deliberateness to it rather than simply being inconsiderate. I agree that overall it isn't a big deal but you do sometimes facepalm at the effort some people will make to be a prat.

Danny_UK wrote: »

There is many players who are unfair and think of themselves only. I've seen people fighting over nodes and chests, ridiculous. If I see someone running towards it and they seen it first I let them have it not rush to it fighting for it. Sometimes I even tell people the chest is there if I don't want it. Players can be very selfish and nasty.

As with my previous comment, it doesn't happen to often but I often raise an eyebrow when I see someone racing me to a chest or node when I was already practically on top of it. I know proximity doesn't mean ownership but it's just good manners really. It's sometimes irritating (and sometimes more than others, depending on the randomness of my mood) but whether or not they get there first it's just a bit sad. Although I would certainly not claim to be the last word in politeness, generally speaking if someone is already approaching it or even if we just turn up at the same time from opposite directions (which happens annoying often!) I'll just leave them to it. No point in getting into a fight over it.

I admit my failing is getting a bit defensive over a chest if I'm having to bat some bad guys away and probably get a bit "it's mine, mine I tell you!" if someone gets a bit too close even if it's only to help me out. I know there are opportunists out there but I've yet to actually encounter one.

Eldartar wrote: »

This problem seems to be on the increase, people opening chests and just taking what they want and leaving the 'crap', not giving a thought to the players that follow.

Depends on the person's level.

Low level players get a pass due to the ridiculously low inventory ZoS gives them.

CP level players, this is inexcusable.

Chest respawn rates double if the chest isn't empty, but they do respawn.

As for nodes, I don't mind if the "good" stuff is taken. To me, even a Ta is useful as I do daily writs. I especially love it when people leave worms behind. TYVM for that!

vometia wrote: »

Danny_UK wrote: »

There is many players who are unfair and think of themselves only. I've seen people fighting over nodes and chests, ridiculous. If I see someone running towards it and they seen it first I let them have it not rush to it fighting for it. Sometimes I even tell people the chest is there if I don't want it. Players can be very selfish and nasty.

As with my previous comment, it doesn't happen to often but I often raise an eyebrow when I see someone racing me to a chest or node when I was already practically on top of it. I know proximity doesn't mean ownership but it's just good manners really. It's sometimes irritating (and sometimes more than others, depending on the randomness of my mood) but whether or not they get there first it's just a bit sad. Although I would certainly not claim to be the last word in politeness, generally speaking if someone is already approaching it or even if we just turn up at the same time from opposite directions (which happens annoying often!) I'll just leave them to it. No point in getting into a fight over it.

I admit my failing is getting a bit defensive over a chest if I'm having to bat some bad guys away and probably get a bit "it's mine, mine I tell you!" if someone gets a bit too close even if it's only to help me out. I know there are opportunists out there but I've yet to actually encounter one.

In my opinion it is more annoying when you are put into combat and can not interact with node or chest because someone aggro creatures and then just takes that node for themselves.

I have never done anything but auto loot in this game.

So in the current option, you're mad because a chest/node (with items you don't want) is there.

In your suggestion, you'd be happier for chest/node that was not? (Considering it would go away and you'd effectively have to look elsewhere anyway?)

Once opened, nodes are already on a despawn/refresh timer, whether all or nothing is removed. There has never been a shortage of nodes. This is still a non-issue.

If you opted for a faster despawn rate, I could get on board with that. Though I suspect you would then be complaining about nodes that disappear just before you arrive to loot them.

It's fine the way it is.

They could just make the chest disappear shortly after partially looting it, whether it has been fully looted or not.

The crux of the issue is that looted nodes linger for too long. I've heard 10 minutes thrown around before from observation - that's about 9 minutes too long.

Hey, I'm going to defend the incriminated people who don't loot everything, because it feels more challenging than defending the other point of view.

Without ESO+, the inventory management can really be a pain (even with it, a lot of people struggle).

A lot of players don't even think someone would open the chest after them, why would they care? It's not a bad intention, they consider it as their chest after all. And they wouldn't really be wrong, why?

Because once they opened the chest, it will disappear, no matter what, like ressource nodes, unless you open it, it is exactly the same as if there were no chest. There is only one thing that can reset the timer, and that's opening the chest. So when you find an unlocked chest, and you open it, you effectively increase the respawn time, by yourself. (It's been discussed and tested on a previous thread on the same subject). Ok, you might deviate from your farming path for nothing, but that's it, if it's not locked, don't open it (that's a piece of advice, I'm not saying it's not a problem or anything).

What you consider trash isn't for some players. And some would be happy to have leftovers. Why would you take and destroy items that someone else could find a use for?

An autoloot of all items would be inconsistent with the current looting mechanics.

Asking for an autoloot is restrictive, as you would have effectively less agility with your inventory management, and it would be enforcing your standards on other players, and thus restricting their gameplay options for your convenience.

Ok, just as a reminder. I still think it is bad etiquette to not get all the items from a chest. But I was just trying to find proper arguments defending it as there are already enough valid arguments against it. And I definitely understand the frustration behind this issue, it's justified.

It's perfectly clear that asking people NOT to do crappy things in this game (or most other places, really) simply doesn't work. There's always the "Oh ghuys, it doesn't matta!" crowd as well as the "but it's so FUNNY!" crowd.

I think that once a chest is opened, or something has a node removed from it, it despaws within like, oh, 30 seconds or so (unless you're in combat, duh), after you removed something from it. You simply can't depend on people to do the right thing.