(1 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical (2 items) When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to gain a damage shield that absorbs 8600 damage for 6 seconds. While the damage shield holds, you deal 770 Cold Damage to all enemies within 5 meters of you every 1 second. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.
Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »How about this is a defensive set and not a dps set? The sheild is what the set is about, not the cold damage that comes with it.
Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
My sorc tank ran it. Good gods above, when you mix hardened, bone shield, and iceheart together...
Carbonised wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »How about this is a defensive set and not a dps set? The sheild is what the set is about, not the cold damage that comes with it.
What a complete nonsense thing to say. Even the first set bonus is spell crit, not defense, and it procs on critical damage as well.
Plus, there are certainly much better ways to get a damage shield than this. It's a set that tries to be both a damage shield and some AOE damage, but it falls flat of doing both.
De-coupling the damage component form the shield would at least make it do a trickle of DPS compared to maybe 1 or 2 pulses at most, currently.
Carbonised wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
My sorc tank ran it. Good gods above, when you mix hardened, bone shield, and iceheart together...
What you are describing is a snowflake build, that might be fun for soloing world bosses and normal dungeons. But will get eaten alive in any DLC vet dung or vet trial.
Carbonised wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
My sorc tank ran it. Good gods above, when you mix hardened, bone shield, and iceheart together...
What you are describing is a snowflake build, that might be fun for soloing world bosses and normal dungeons. But will get eaten alive in any DLC vet dung or vet trial.
DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
My sorc tank ran it. Good gods above, when you mix hardened, bone shield, and iceheart together...
What you are describing is a snowflake build, that might be fun for soloing world bosses and normal dungeons. But will get eaten alive in any DLC vet dung or vet trial.
What you are demonstrating is a complete disregard for 95% of game content using the word snowflake in an attempt to elevate said 5% of content. Worst part is you are incorrect in your assumption about its performance
Would you like to accompany this build (which btw you don't even know the sets or stats to) on a vet hm dungeon with me? So far it has completed regular MoL, vet icp hm, vet WGT hm, vet mazzatun, vet Cradle...
Carbonised wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »The core problem with this set is not the cooldown, but instead that they have tied the damage component of the proc to the shield. Which means in dangerous PvE fights, a boss will eat through your shield instantly, and stop the proc. Even worse in PvP, the shield is halved, and will instantly vaporize, thus rendering the proc null and void.
In order to make this set at least somewhat viable, the shield and the damage proc need to be separated, so you get the full damage pulses, regardless of whether the shield holds or not.
Wouldn't hurt if the proc was dealt off of frost damage either, instead of critical damage. Would make a whole lot more sense.
Thematically yes, but it would severly limit the amount of builds that would/ could make use of it. Except wardens you would either need a frost staff or run Pulse. Having a chance to proc on every crit broadens the useability.
However, you're absolutely right on everything else in that post.
I've yet to see it used on any other class but Wardens. Or at least someone with a frost staff.
My sorc tank ran it. Good gods above, when you mix hardened, bone shield, and iceheart together...
What you are describing is a snowflake build, that might be fun for soloing world bosses and normal dungeons. But will get eaten alive in any DLC vet dung or vet trial.
What you are demonstrating is a complete disregard for 95% of game content using the word snowflake in an attempt to elevate said 5% of content. Worst part is you are incorrect in your assumption about its performance
Would you like to accompany this build (which btw you don't even know the sets or stats to) on a vet hm dungeon with me? So far it has completed regular MoL, vet icp hm, vet WGT hm, vet mazzatun, vet Cradle...
I know you try and pass on a combo of a health based shield (bone), mag based shield (ward) and monster proc as useful and viable for endgame content, and sorry, I'm not buying that bait.
Yes I disregard 95 % of the game, as you can run through it with no tanks, no healers and a bucket and broom as your equipment. In term of builds it's really only the 5 % of the content that matters. Regular MoL and vet ICP, come on, you'll have to do better than that if you want to prove something.
Why don't you just show me someone who actually does build guides, who recommends using Iceheart as your tanking monster set? No? How about someone recommending shieldstacking for endgame content? No one either?
Or how about you take your shieldstacking sorc against my DK sword and board tank and see who dies first?
Iceheart is a snowflake set, feel free to use it if you don't care about stats, I use it myself on my icewarden just for the lulz, but don't try and pass it on as neither a "good" nor "alright" set for min/maxing endgame tanking (nor DPSing, for that matter).
OP is only looking at a very narrow aspect of that set proc. It’s not just the stat increase but also about the shield.
The poll is useless since many would vote to get more, obviously.