ItsNebula wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Crystal fragment should get the 10% increased damage back ( 10% currently, it was 20% before), also off-balance the target or deal increased damage if you are melee.

Crystal Blast should also be able to proc, cost 50% less and stun the target.

one should stun, the other should give utility and increased damage. This would make both choice interesting in PVP since we would need to choose between crystal frag/clench(CC) combo and Crystal Blast(CC)/force pulse combo.

Why I think 10% increased damage on crystal frag are not enough ?
Keep in mind clench is reflectable and deal less damage than force pulse ( and more telegraphed), 10% increased damage on crystal frag would not be enough to make the crystal frag/clench combo interesting in PVP instead crystal blast/Force pulse if you see what i mean ?

Bring this up to a class rep, this is actually a really good idea

I just repeat what some said before they removed the frag stun, if i remember well @Aedaryl gave the Off balance idea.

My idea is different and complex ( it's the answer I got), I will copy past this here just in case.

- Nobody hard cast frag in pve, same thing in PVP ( except overload sorcerer, and this is the only case):
Crystal frag should work differently depending on how we use it ( see below )
reducing the cast time would be a good start. We want it to be an unique ability since it's our main skill !

A few example below for Crystal Frag :

• " If you damage an enemy with a frag proc THEN hard cast a frag .. this will grab the enemy "
  While crystal blast could Aoe grab up to X enemies in the same situation or drain up to X magicka of the target.
  
• " If you hard cast a frag THEN use a frag proc on the same enemy, it will increase Blood magic passive effectiveness" it mean the passive will heals you for 30% of your max health instead of 12% - I really like this idea, you engage the fight by hard-casting a frag ... Then you choose if you want to deal increased damage( = use the proc ) or keep it for later under 30/40% of your max health.
  Crystal Blast Could increase ( and proc ) the Persistence passive effectiveness and reduce the cost of your next skill by 30%.
  
• "[...] The next crystal fragment will be instant, deal 10% more damage, cost 50% less magicka and off balance the target.
  While crystal blast would Stun the target.
  
• "[...] If you don't use the proc, fragments will turn arround you during 3 sec and absorb 1 projectile.
  While crystal blast could deal aoe damage arround you during 4 sec if you don't use the proc
  
• The longer you keep the frag proc ( up to 8 sec, otherwise you will lose the proc) the faster it will go when you will use the proc.
  While crystal blast could be unavoidable if you keep the proc during [6sec ; 8sec[

idk wrote: »

JWinHD wrote: »

I believe Crystal Frag should stun again.

I am not arguing with wanting Crystal Frags to stun again, but wanting and believing something is not a convincing point.

It is very unlikely Zos removed the stun for this morph because of changes to Rune Cage so changing RC again is likely not justification to change CF back.

Unless addressing the reasons behind Zos' decision in at least a general manner it is unlikely this poll and thread will mean anything.

I thought it would be better to try than to do nothing. I also don't know their justifications for making it no longer CC. If they thought it was too powerful, why did they add a stun that was much more powerful? I don't work at ZoS and therefore have no idea why they do the things they do.

Minalan wrote: »

The 30% instant proc chance should be added to the base crystal shards morph. Then you have one morph for damage, and the other for CC.

People who use cage or reach for CC can pick the frags damage morph.

People who want another CC option can use blast, which still hits hard enough.

Spot on.

It's all sorcs ever wanted / asked for.

idk wrote: »

We wanted to separate the function of abilities into more distinct roles. Crystal Shards was overloaded since it had high damage, instant cast, stun, reduced cost. Now if the sorcerer wants a stun they have to either go through a cast time or deal reduced damage.

I remember this nerf, people were complaining about shield stacking and they decided it was the way to fix the issue.

What zenimax see:
Crystal frag ~ 3443 magicka ~ 1 sec cast time: Conjure Dark crystals to bombard an enemy, dealing X Magic Damage. Casting any other Magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, deal 10% more damage, and cost 50% less Magicka

What sorcs see:
Crystal frag ~ 1418 magicka ~ Instant : Casting any Magicka ability has a 35% chance to proc this ability, dealing X+10% Magic damage.

When some players and zos talk about the frag proc it look like they compare it to the frag you can hard-cast ... That's what i understand when they say it is overloaded cause it have high damage, instant cast and reduced cost.

it also looks like they think we hard-cast frag in pvp ... that's what I understood when wrobel said the change would make both morph interesting ( he really though we were going to hard-cast frag in pvp lol ? )

what they don't understand is that nobody hard-cast frag, this is an unused part of the skill ( & morphs ). We are stuck with that now and each time we will ask for a buff they will take into account the fact that we can hard-cast frags

Either make the hard-cast part interesting ( see what i purpose above, it may not be perfect, but at least it's something ), or remove it and buff the rest.

Can shards stun again too pls

Frags should be left alone. Blast should proc like Frags.

I say make the base morph have the 'instant cast' effect, without bonus damage.


C frags: now stuns the enemy (no bonus damage, but keeps the insta cast+reduced cost)

C blast: deals increased damage (+20% or whatever, not like anyone but gankers and newbies were using it)

Sorcerers have enough single target damage as is and even with the latest Rune Cage changes its still possible to execute the infamous Meteor+Rune Cage combo because people will instinctively hold block when you cast meteor, leaving themselves prone to RC.

What we lack is a reliable AOE damage in PVP. Thats why Crystal Frags should stay the same but the Blast morph should have a 35% chance to trigger an instant AOE damage. So one can choose between 10% single target damage or X meters radius AOE damage.

Reduce blast damage by 30% and give it CC proc. Done. Useful skill with sensible properties. Stop asking for revert of nerf to overloaded skill in a way that just makes it overloaded again, you should know better that it wont happen like that.

Proc stun are not needed.