Can I Please Get an In-Depth Explanation of why Sorc is OP

bardx86 · August 2018

Grabmoore wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

webrgesner wrote: »

Me and another friend of mine play magsorc and were good at it. Even we both admit rune cage is op thats why we use it. Its obvious it is op. Shield stacking is equally strong as vigor i have no problem with shields. if you cant get through a players shield your build/burst just sucks. #BRING BACK FRAG CC

So you admit using a a broken spell and still pretend to be good at anything? that's funny

Tell me a good magplar burst Combo involving class skills, that could burst a sorc. It's quiet difficult, huh?

Yeah, hide behind your ez mode pretending you could do what others can't just because you choose the low skill way of ESO.

Dark flair -> dark flair -> javelin -> execute. 99% of cyro is dead with this combo if they let you cast in uninterrupted.

There you go...

ANY class / combo in this game can instantly kill you if you just stand there like an idiot. And thats what people do against sorcs. I trow a Curse, meaning they have 3,5sec untill anything happens. But nooo! it's my class thats OP when they choose too ignored my burst lineup. lol?

Lol this won't kill anyone, who has 2 hands and a reaction of 2 seconds or less. In fact, the sorc just eats those 2 dark flares and the javelin, which only kills his shields and then gets beamed from 100%? Just no.

Also, any reflect counters this combo hard. Can't say this about the auto win rune cage curse meteor wrath combo. Dark Flare is only a niche gank option, unfortunately.

Against a sorc I have this 3,5 seconds window of knowing "I am f***ed, because I know I won't be able to break free from this bugged trash skill that is Rune cage". Yeah, nice counterplay.

Once again thats your fault. You have time to counter rune cage but you chose not to. That on you man.

bardx86 · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Did you just say to use a heavy attack in PVP? Man you need to PVP a bit more then. That would get you killed before the heavy attack ended.

barbarian340 · August 2018

question...does rune cage do damage? or does it just stun? and if it does do damage, is it a lot?

Sharee · August 2018

barbarian340 wrote: »

question...does rune cage do damage? or does it just stun? and if it does do damage, is it a lot?

Right now on live it does, whenever the stun expires. How much it hits for varies with both attacker and target - the tooltip can be as high as 10k, but i am typically hit for 2-3k.

On PTS, it will only do damage if the stun lasts for full duration - meaning if you break free from it, it will do no damage.

Shadowmaster · August 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

BGs over value killing blows, and that is one thing that sorcs certainly excel at doing. They have a unique execute that is pretty good a kill stealing. This is really only a BG issue. If endless fury kills you in open world, you were already dead.

BG sorcs are overperforming, Cyrodiil sorcs aren't really that much of an issue at all, outside of rune cage, and infinite sustain in CP campaigns. But all classes can do that.

TheHsN · August 2018

cuz you cant play well thats why...

webrgesner · August 2018

Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. Everytime im fighting a magic user i dont need recovery because im getting 2.5k mag back. (the higher your mag/damage the more magic you get in return)
Not only that we have streak to kite and get away. So my combo is curse, fury, rune cage, and frags (if frags doesnt proc i would spam force pulse) on top of that if they dont die throw a meteor before rune cage. Its a strong burst. AND you cant even block the meteor. Tell me thats not OP

eso_lags · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

"I suck, therefore you must all suck"

I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...

Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.

As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.

Lol oh i see what this is now.. You're a role player.. Not a sorcerer huh? And is a magblade not a nightblade? You have literally lost the little credibility you had with me..

Im not complaining. I am saying take a look at the other half of the class. Look at what a stam sorc has and think, hmm people play stam sorc with a few utility skills. So maybe i can play mag sorc with those same skills and everything else the class has to offer..

And whats with you and fengrush? You really dont like him huh? You keep bringing him up.. But i dont think you're talking to fengrush are you.

I wish you could have kept your complaints in that other thread. I liked you more there.

**Edit. Nothing against role playing but Im not going to take advice on competitive pvp and this games classes from you when you dont believe a stam sorc is actually a sorcerer. This is the elder scrolls online not skyrim and not harry potter.

I really don't need respect from someone with a victim complex who likes to drag everyone down to his level so that he can get some kills.

Sorry, dude. And no, I'm not a role player, but it's really not hard to see Stam Sorc was never really an intended playstyle and they just kinda threw them a bone with a couple of passives and Hurricane.

It's kinda like trying to screw in a screw with a shovel. It was never meant to be used that way, but you're gonna keep shouting until you get a bigger and bigger screw anyways.

Oh? Victim complex? Says the person losing it over a tiny nerf to one skill in a very strong class.

Let me ask you again, is a mag nightblade still a nightblade? Is a stamina templar still a templar? What a joke. The fact that you even say this shows that stam sorc really has very little to work with, at least you can admit that... But the couple utility skills we do have are very good... Sorry, no victim complex but OBV mag sorc is stronger than stam.. And again this is the elder scrolls online NOT something else..

I dont know how to say this nicely so im going to say it in 3 letters. L2P. Your class is not going to be ruined after this. And it does not suffer from all these things you claim it suffers from... On a small scale, maybe some, but every class has weaknesses and people find ways around them just fine.

And please stop with saying streak is not good. Someone already explained to you why its good and its so good for mobility that stam sorcs run it only to streak a couple times...

Valrien · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

"I suck, therefore you must all suck"

I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...

Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.

As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.

Lol oh i see what this is now.. You're a role player.. Not a sorcerer huh? And is a magblade not a nightblade? You have literally lost the little credibility you had with me..

Im not complaining. I am saying take a look at the other half of the class. Look at what a stam sorc has and think, hmm people play stam sorc with a few utility skills. So maybe i can play mag sorc with those same skills and everything else the class has to offer..

And whats with you and fengrush? You really dont like him huh? You keep bringing him up.. But i dont think you're talking to fengrush are you.

I wish you could have kept your complaints in that other thread. I liked you more there.

**Edit. Nothing against role playing but Im not going to take advice on competitive pvp and this games classes from you when you dont believe a stam sorc is actually a sorcerer. This is the elder scrolls online not skyrim and not harry potter.

I really don't need respect from someone with a victim complex who likes to drag everyone down to his level so that he can get some kills.

Sorry, dude. And no, I'm not a role player, but it's really not hard to see Stam Sorc was never really an intended playstyle and they just kinda threw them a bone with a couple of passives and Hurricane.

It's kinda like trying to screw in a screw with a shovel. It was never meant to be used that way, but you're gonna keep shouting until you get a bigger and bigger screw anyways.

Oh? Victim complex? Says the person losing it over a tiny nerf to one skill in a very strong class.

Let me ask you again, is a mag nightblade still a nightblade? Is a stamina templar still a templar? What a joke. The fact that you even say this shows that stam sorc really has very little to work with, at least you can admit that... But the couple utility skills we do have are very good... Sorry, no victim complex but OBV mag sorc is stronger than stam.. And again this is the elder scrolls online NOT something else..

I dont know how to say this nicely so im going to say it in 3 letters. L2P. Your class is not going to be ruined after this. And it does not suffer from all these things you claim it suffers from... On a small scale, maybe some, but every class has weaknesses and people find ways around them just fine.

And please stop with saying streak is not good. Someone already explained to you why its good and its so good for mobility that stam sorcs run it only to streak a couple times...

Yes, a victim complex. I.e., "Woe is me, I chose to play something that I know is bad and is basically only made up of weapon skills...what? Of COURSE you all should be as bad as my class is! It's nonsense, otherwise...I would never ask for a buff!"

Now, to address the rest of your questions...yes, a magblade is still a nightblade and a stam templar is still a templar. But a stam sorc isn't really a Sorc.

Look at this PvE build, for example:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/

2 whole Sorcerer skills. It's really hard to seriously say "Stam Sorc was totally intentional" when you see stuff like that lol.

Now, as for the rest. I already know how to play, which is why a class losing virtually all access to reliable CC is a very bad thing for said class...especially when the combo that you use the CC to execute is so delicate that it can be disrupted by just about anything.

Now, for Streak, yeah Streak is pretty OK. It's not OP or anything, and it's definitely not a reason Sorc would be considered OP. It's a pretty decent mobility tool, but like the rest of Sorc is easy to counter with some know-how.

But yeah, you've got a severe victim and/or inferiority complex. You want to drag everything down with your self-inflicted sorrows, rather than want to be raised up along with everything else that needs to be raised up.

Many people have already said why Sorc is not all that strong, and even why some people perceive it as strong. Up to you if you don't wanna listen.

ak_pvp · August 2018

Just got out of forum gulag so time to weigh in.

Threads like these are awful. Its full of people who won't be swayed and either believe that sorc is the root of all/can do no evil. It gets no where closer to balance.

Defense: Shields, in a 1v1, they are very strong. No soft counter like block or dodge does and harness pays for itself. Its basically a whoever messes up first. However, they melt really fast in outnumbered situations, and healing is low. So if a shieldbreaker/sload squad comes the sorc is dead.

Offense: Sorc offense is split. Either mediocre without rune where it can't stun and its highly telegraphed. Or broke OP with rune where it is guaranteed to land and blows anyone up near indiscriminately from range. Sorc offense also has an issue of LOOKING stronger than it is. Rune being the main part, mildly buggy, and more likely to CC you because its ranged. Wrath also appears in the recap quite often as cause of death, but you are already prone to execute anyway. This also puts sorcs high on the BG leaderboard.

Mobility: You might see a sorc brightly streak off into the distance rapidly and think, well that isn't fair. However like offense, its more of a what I see vs what you see scenario. The sorc loses a lot of resources and you can simply throw a GC or mount. So its a highly dependent skill, it does allow for a bit of OW freedom, but has been nerfed a lot both directly (cost) and indirectly (physics changes)

TL;DR: Looks OP, Not OP, situationally OP.

Lirkin · August 2018

People like to whine and it their favorite class is not overpowered they whine about any class they thing is more powerfull

eso_lags · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

"I suck, therefore you must all suck"

I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...

Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.

As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.

Lol oh i see what this is now.. You're a role player.. Not a sorcerer huh? And is a magblade not a nightblade? You have literally lost the little credibility you had with me..

Im not complaining. I am saying take a look at the other half of the class. Look at what a stam sorc has and think, hmm people play stam sorc with a few utility skills. So maybe i can play mag sorc with those same skills and everything else the class has to offer..

And whats with you and fengrush? You really dont like him huh? You keep bringing him up.. But i dont think you're talking to fengrush are you.

I wish you could have kept your complaints in that other thread. I liked you more there.

**Edit. Nothing against role playing but Im not going to take advice on competitive pvp and this games classes from you when you dont believe a stam sorc is actually a sorcerer. This is the elder scrolls online not skyrim and not harry potter.

I really don't need respect from someone with a victim complex who likes to drag everyone down to his level so that he can get some kills.

Sorry, dude. And no, I'm not a role player, but it's really not hard to see Stam Sorc was never really an intended playstyle and they just kinda threw them a bone with a couple of passives and Hurricane.

It's kinda like trying to screw in a screw with a shovel. It was never meant to be used that way, but you're gonna keep shouting until you get a bigger and bigger screw anyways.

Oh? Victim complex? Says the person losing it over a tiny nerf to one skill in a very strong class.

Let me ask you again, is a mag nightblade still a nightblade? Is a stamina templar still a templar? What a joke. The fact that you even say this shows that stam sorc really has very little to work with, at least you can admit that... But the couple utility skills we do have are very good... Sorry, no victim complex but OBV mag sorc is stronger than stam.. And again this is the elder scrolls online NOT something else..

I dont know how to say this nicely so im going to say it in 3 letters. L2P. Your class is not going to be ruined after this. And it does not suffer from all these things you claim it suffers from... On a small scale, maybe some, but every class has weaknesses and people find ways around them just fine.

And please stop with saying streak is not good. Someone already explained to you why its good and its so good for mobility that stam sorcs run it only to streak a couple times...

Yes, a victim complex. I.e., "Woe is me, I chose to play something that I know is bad and is basically only made up of weapon skills...what? Of COURSE you all should be as bad as my class is! It's nonsense, otherwise...I would never ask for a buff!"

Now, to address the rest of your questions...yes, a magblade is still a nightblade and a stam templar is still a templar. But a stam sorc isn't really a Sorc.

Look at this PvE build, for example:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/

2 whole Sorcerer skills. It's really hard to seriously say "Stam Sorc was totally intentional" when you see stuff like that lol.

Now, as for the rest. I already know how to play, which is why a class losing virtually all access to reliable CC is a very bad thing for said class...especially when the combo that you use the CC to execute is so delicate that it can be disrupted by just about anything.

Now, for Streak, yeah Streak is pretty OK. It's not OP or anything, and it's definitely not a reason Sorc would be considered OP. It's a pretty decent mobility tool, but like the rest of Sorc is easy to counter with some know-how.

But yeah, you've got a severe victim and/or inferiority complex. You want to drag everything down with your self-inflicted sorrows, rather than want to be raised up along with everything else that needs to be raised up.

Many people have already said why Sorc is not all that strong, and even why some people perceive it as strong. Up to you if you don't wanna listen.

You have been playing this game since vet ranks.. You have your sorc in your sig so i assume you've been playing it for quite a long time... How can you be so dense?? And so blatantly bias?

So to you, sorc main, the only stamina class that isnt an actual class is a stam sorc...?? Funny, too funny.. Sorry to tell you it is zos' intention to have stamina and magicka versions of each class.. Also the option for hybrid, which isnt all that viable but still can be successful.. I will say it again. This is eso, not harry potter and not skyrim. Just because you think a sorcerer means one thing in this game DOES NOT make it fact.

The fact is a stam sorc is still a sorc. The fact is i can play a stam sorc just fine, be successful, and be happy with it. However YOU, sorc main, on the other side of the class are unhappy even though you have access to ALL of the classes skills..

Im not the one with the victim complex, you are... Should a stam sorc have more class skills and damage skills? Ya probably. But i can still happily play as is.. Now im going to bold this for you, so you read it carefully. Knowing that a stam sorc only has a couple skills and passives, and a mag sorc has access to everything + weapon abilities and passives, how then can you complain about losing the damage on rune prison?? And not even totally losing it???

Wow this is really confusing to me.. You have such a great class.. Soooo much to offer... Every update it is in the top few classes for both pvp and pve.. Why complain so much? Because shields got nerfed for all classes. Because frags got nerfed. And because streak got nerfed... lol all nerfs that NEEDED to happen, except for the frag nerf maybe that could have been handled differently... The complaining from mag sorcs needs to stop.. All classes get adjusted from time to time.. You have an amazing class, play to its strengths..

Valrien · August 2018

I would argue most of the nerfs to Sorc are unnecessary but if I am biased one way then you are biased the other, and you like most stam sorcs have an unfounded hatred of Magicka because you simply choose to play the wrong way.

Stacking cost to Bolt Escape? Pointless, since you don't need to spam it anyways. All it does now is punish you for using it even twice

Shield nerf? Unnecessary but acceptable

Frags nerf? Absolutely unacceptable, and the main reason that Rune Cage is necessary in the first place

Sheezabeast · August 2018

Mages fury, implosion, rune cage....poor sorcs get picked on for what they have equipped in their bat belt.

This is now a Batman thread.

eso_lags · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

I would argue most of the nerfs to Sorc are unnecessary but if I am biased one way then you are biased the other, and you like most stam sorcs have an unfounded hatred of Magicka because you simply choose to play the wrong way.

Stacking cost to Bolt Escape? Pointless, since you don't need to spam it anyways. All it does now is punish you for using it even twice

Shield nerf? Unnecessary but acceptable

Frags nerf? Absolutely unacceptable, and the main reason that Rune Cage is necessary in the first place

Again you completely ignore my question. How can you complain when the other half of the sorcerer class has so little? How? And even other classes.. Compare magden to mag sorc... Are we even playing the same game?

And please dont assume anything about me. I have played every class in this game, at one point or another, in pvp. And most in pve. I have no hatred twords any class.. I just know when something is weak, strong, very strong, or over powered.

I can look at things without being incredibly bias... Yes i main stam sorc but i know what is strong and what is weak about it. You on the other hand cannot admit anything is strong about mag sorc. It really is confusing to me..

But lets stop for a minute and think about something else. Why are you so concerned about having to stun with streak or flame reach? I dont get it. Magden doesnt have an execute or a stun. Why are you not posting threads about magden?

And the shield nerf was unnecessary huh..? You truly show your bias. And streak? Did you even pvp back then? Or were you just the sorc streaking for miles to run away.. And how about frags? Lets compare frags to lava whip.. They both hit pretty hard.. They both stunned. But DKs dont have a ranged execute, or an execute at all. So its different. But again im not saying i agree with the frag nerf as it happened, but you need to look at the entire class and everything that it VIABLY has access too and then think about the skill in question.. Compare it to other things.

I mean your argument is pretty much "my class is the best and all other classes are beneath me, so i shouldnt be brought down to their level they should just get better"... But at the same time you say your class is gimped.. So i dont understand, you're a confusing person indeed.

Valrien · August 2018

It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.

It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.

Wow, I know right?

I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.

It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life

Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?

The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.

Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.

For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"

You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?

Anethum · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

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Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

Valrien · August 2018

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

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Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

I don't have much time these days to level anymore.

I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.

It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic

Anethum · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

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Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

I don't have much time these days to level anymore.

I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.

It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic

U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?

[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]

Valrien · August 2018

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

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Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

I don't have much time these days to level anymore.

I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.

It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic

U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?

[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]

There's a huge difference between learning the code needed to do GET A JOB and leveling and learning classes in a video game.

You make time for your job, but for the game? Nah, you so what you can.

Besides, as long as you know how the class works and what it can do, you have a fair enough grasp of it to know the basics. Even then, I don't speak in depth of other classes, because I have no right to. I speak of the basics, because that's what I do know

lionofjudah7 · August 2018

madchuska83 wrote: »

A good ganker with Sload's can melt any Sorc before they know what happened, shields or not. All classes and builds can be countered, but when everybody runs the same 4 builds it's easy to believe one class outperforms another.

Good gankers dont use sloads kiddo

Kikke · August 2018

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

...

Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

I don't have much time these days to level anymore.

I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.

It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic

U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?

[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]

Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.

So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!

NupidStoob · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Maybe you should play a magsorc first before you dismiss all these points straight up. Runecage is overperforming and nobody really is arguing against that, but beyond runecage the class is not as strong as people want to make it seem.

I also have a hard time to take you serious when you don't seem to know that you only need to block the last tick of a channeled HA to prevent the resource return... Same for you seemingly only running one type of potion, with quickslot menu you can select something else midfight. Immovables are the most basic pots on stamina classes.

I mean if you got a stamsorc go respec and be "OP", go duel some good people for a couple hours and let us know how that works out for you.

eso_lags · August 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.

Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Maybe you should play a magsorc first before you dismiss all these points straight up. Runecage is overperforming and nobody really is arguing against that, but beyond runecage the class is not as strong as people want to make it seem.

I also have a hard time to take you serious when you don't seem to know that you only need to block the last tick of a channeled HA to prevent the reosurce return...

I mean if you got a stamsorc go respec and be "OP", go duel some good people for a couple hours and let us know how that works out for you.

Actually i do have a mag sorc and played one for a while.. And i do know about blocking the last tick but still no one wants to block the entire fight.. Well, at least i dont.. Also not everyone agrees about rune prison. And when you play a mag sorc, fight a mag sorc, and look at what it has in its kit, you can see clearly see it is a very strong class... Maybe you shouldnt make assumptions..

eso_lags · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.

It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.

Wow, I know right?

I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.

It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life

Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?

The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.

Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.

For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"

You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?

If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..

And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.

Valrien · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.

It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.

Wow, I know right?

I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.

It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life

Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?

The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.

Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.

For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"

You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?

If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..

And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.

A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.

It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.

I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed

eso_lags · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

...

Mate, u need to at least try another classes to compare them and understand what about u and others talking.
TIred of "experts of 1 class, because it was my fate".
l2p.

P.s: Thread in such form have no sence.

I don't have much time these days to level anymore.

I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.

It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic

U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?

[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]

Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.

So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.

It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.

Wow, I know right?

I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.

It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life

Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?

The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.

Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.

For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"

You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?

If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..

And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.

A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.

It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.

I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed

well none of that makes sense considering what i said. You're 100% wrong. Sorc is an amazing class and is nowhere near mediocre. It is the only class that can effectively play a pet build.. It has a skill that negates melee damage, in mines. It has a ranged execute as well as some solid ranged damage skills.. and impolsion as another passive execute if the first one fails..

It has the biggest damage shield in the game. Abilities that allow you to line up burst that can wipe people in a second. Ways to get back resources. A third skill bar. Even some aoes. It also has a skill that excels in pvp, streak (a unique skill), because pvp is about largely about mobility and burst. Luckily it has burst too as i said before.

Again learn to play the class better and stop calling it mediocre. Im not here to tell you its a broken class. Im not here to tell you that it needs to be nerfed in a bunch of ways.. Im just saying the class is good and certainly not mediocre.

Drdeath20 · August 2018

Did somebody just call sorcs subpar damage dealers in pve? Lol

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2018

Instant uncritable burst migiation with no cd will always be op.

Kikke · August 2018

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Did somebody just call sorcs subpar damage dealers in pve? Lol

I said mag sorc, and yes. Mag sorcs dps is nothing special, only reason to bring a sorc for trial score runs are conduit for alkosh uptime and concuss uptime for the nightblades.