leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.


Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?

Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?

Because thats there damn cc.

Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.

If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.


Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?

Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?

Because thats there damn cc.

Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.

If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.

LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...

Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..

And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...

Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.

So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.

Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.


Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

"I suck, therefore you must all suck"

I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...

Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.

As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.

Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.

Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...

And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...

And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.


Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...

Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?

Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?

Because thats there damn cc.

Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.

If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.

LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...

Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..

And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...

Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.

So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.

Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.

No.. Its not going to be useless... Its going to be a cc that cannot be dodged... On a class with massive ranged burst potential.. On a class that can neuter melee players with mines.

Why are you guys so selfish? You wont be able to deal with nigthblades? Dont you think we all hate nightblades?? When i used to play stamblade i hated fighting other stamblades more than anything... Cloak is obnoxious. But its called counterplay. Line up burst or run them out of resources. Run detect pots, as garbage as they are theyre better than nothing. Hell, detect and immovable with magick..

And i never said using lich was a problem i said you have many ways to sustain, lich is one and most people use it.

Im sorry but the damage is to much. The buggy cc is too much. Everyone was fine with destructive touch in the past but now this seems to be a huge issue... Game breaking apparently. Again please tell me where my stam sorc has its class CC with damage. Wheres my class damage skills. Class ult. Why worry about your favorite class so much when other classes get shafted? Look at magden ffs. I dont think ive ever died to a magden.

Your stam sorc has dawnbreaker, pls tell me where the high dmg instant ult of a mag sorc's is? Before rune cage no one used meteor because it didn't hit and everyone just blocked. Out of the 3 sorc ults stam sorc can still use 2 to the same degree as a mag sorc. The only one that won't have much dmg is atro and no one uses that for dmg anyway.

The buggy cc was most peoples issue, if it was fixed that people would be able to break free before the frag hit. They can now if they're far enough away because frags a projectile.

But instead of fixing the buggy cc zos will just nerf the skill so people don't use it. Don't need to fix something that people don't use.

It's sad that mag sorc's are going to need to run rune cage anyway despite it being a bad cc because they need a way to deal the the horde of new dk's with wings next patch, so they can't use clench again.

Valrien wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I genuinely don't see it. They can be countered pretty well.

because they are only class which can time atlesat 4 skill to deal damage in same time and no other class can do same + they are only class where you go for offense stat - max magica and with it your defense (shields) is rising along with damage whre any other class need to sacriface something, go for more damage or go for more defense, without proc sets no any other class will have defense with offense at once from single source

about skill combo its - mages wrath procing when you just fall below 20% hp - so its mostly just guaranteed death if you are not very tankly and to this you can time curse, rune cage, meteor and add to this spammable, with good timing all of this will deal damage in same second and atlest hald is undodgable/unblockable - mages wrath proc - its just passively proc on you which you cant counter in other way than resists, curse - same and rune cage ofc also undodgable and unblockable with really hard cc

and to evreyone who can say shields are not that op and easy to burst - its good enough defense even for 1vx in good hand and sorc capabilities with his combos - good plan for combo and you will jsut 1shot everyone nontankly and still could rekt tanks if have ult saved for this


and they can be countered pretty well....just by stupid op sets wth oblivion damage and other proc sets and normally they are not that easy to counter if you are not other sorc to plan full combo to let him eat few skills at once with cc

People are still on the whole "They're the only class that can get defense by stacking offense"?

Because literally every class can do that. That's the way healing works. Every class also has access to shields

erm yes? because with it they are still in light armor while most of rest classes is forced now to go into heavy armor so they are losing their buffs to damage from med and light armor

and not every class have great access to great healing:
- every stam char in medium armor have crap vigor healing without mending buff which dont have everyone, in heavy armor healing is more efficient for stam char

magdens, magplars are forced to be in heavy armor to just surivive, I cant even remember when I meet last time templar in ligh or even magden while still having great healing and dont be able to get ez 1shot because of low resists
about mag dk Im not sure as they at all are mostly perm blockers with it so?

so most classes need to pass on their max damage to get more even healing or tankniess to not get 1shot, you have active deffense in shields which prefent you from any 1shot behind them and thats why every sorc dont even plan his burst someone in fight without still shields up

1. Vigor is insane, especially combined with Momentum

2. Many people still use light armor. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that's all there is. Sorc is definitely not the only one who rocks Light.