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Can I Please Get an In-Depth Explanation of why Sorc is OP
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Neophyte✭✭✭Sorc is not OP if you know how to play your own class well
Rune cage has always been there and nobody ever complained about it back in the day
If the avarage sorc drops his shields he/she is dead. U just have to sustain until they make the mistake0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
"I suck, therefore you must all suck"Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake4 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
"I suck, therefore you must all suck"
I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.
So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.
Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
And one more thing lee. I agree with you that the timing thing needs to be fixed as well.. But the damage is not needed... What would you say if fear dealt damage after you broke it? Would that be a good thing? Because nightblades have some pretty high burst... As do mag sorcs.. I wouldnt say its a great thing that fossilize deals damage after you break it but the difference is dks dont have the same burst as sorcs... For one they dont have a ranged execute like fury...
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
And one more thing lee. I agree with you that the timing thing needs to be fixed as well.. But the damage is not needed... What would you say if fear dealt damage after you broke it? Would that be a good thing? Because nightblades have some pretty high burst... As do mag sorcs.. I wouldnt say its a great thing that fossilize deals damage after you break it but the difference is dks dont have the same burst as sorcs... For one they dont have a ranged execute like fury...
But dmg was rune cages additional effects, fear has other effects such as be aoe, applying maim and snaring.
It needs more effects that to just cc players who aren't dodging.
They could reduce the cost by like half or something, to go with how useful its going to be now.
OR add a small amount of dmg, or a small dot etc...
Just something because its now just a costly cc that will miss half the time and does nothing else.
Also where did this fury hate come from? I took a long break before the event started and fury has literally been the same skill as far as a remember, did it get buffed? Or did the forum whine army decide to target that now after 4 yrs?Edited by leepalmer95 on August 5, 2018 9:06AMPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
"I suck, therefore you must all suck"
I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...
Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.
As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake3 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.
So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.
Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.
No.. Its not going to be useless... Its going to be a cc that cannot be dodged... On a class with massive ranged burst potential.. On a class that can neuter melee players with mines.
Why are you guys so selfish? You wont be able to deal with nigthblades? Dont you think we all hate nightblades?? When i used to play stamblade i hated fighting other stamblades more than anything... Cloak is obnoxious. But its called counterplay. Line up burst or run them out of resources. Run detect pots, as garbage as they are theyre better than nothing. Hell, detect and immovable with magick..
And i never said using lich was a problem i said you have many ways to sustain, lich is one and most people use it.
Im sorry but the damage is to much. The buggy cc is too much. Everyone was fine with destructive touch in the past but now this seems to be a huge issue... Game breaking apparently. Again please tell me where my stam sorc has its class CC with damage. Wheres my class damage skills. Class ult. Why worry about your favorite class so much when other classes get shafted? Look at magden ffs. I dont think ive ever died to a magden.3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.
So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.
Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.
No.. Its not going to be useless... Its going to be a cc that cannot be dodged... On a class with massive ranged burst potential.. On a class that can neuter melee players with mines.
Why are you guys so selfish? You wont be able to deal with nigthblades? Dont you think we all hate nightblades?? When i used to play stamblade i hated fighting other stamblades more than anything... Cloak is obnoxious. But its called counterplay. Line up burst or run them out of resources. Run detect pots, as garbage as they are theyre better than nothing. Hell, detect and immovable with magick..
And i never said using lich was a problem i said you have many ways to sustain, lich is one and most people use it.
Im sorry but the damage is to much. The buggy cc is too much. Everyone was fine with destructive touch in the past but now this seems to be a huge issue... Game breaking apparently. Again please tell me where my stam sorc has its class CC with damage. Wheres my class damage skills. Class ult. Why worry about your favorite class so much when other classes get shafted? Look at magden ffs. I dont think ive ever died to a magden.
Your stam sorc has dawnbreaker, pls tell me where the high dmg instant ult of a mag sorc's is? Before rune cage no one used meteor because it didn't hit and everyone just blocked. Out of the 3 sorc ults stam sorc can still use 2 to the same degree as a mag sorc. The only one that won't have much dmg is atro and no one uses that for dmg anyway.
The buggy cc was most peoples issue, if it was fixed that people would be able to break free before the frag hit. They can now if they're far enough away because frags a projectile.
But instead of fixing the buggy cc zos will just nerf the skill so people don't use it. Don't need to fix something that people don't use.
It's sad that mag sorc's are going to need to run rune cage anyway despite it being a bad cc because they need a way to deal the the horde of new dk's with wings next patch, so they can't use clench again.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
"I suck, therefore you must all suck"
I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...
Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.
As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.
Lol oh i see what this is now.. You're a role player.. Not a sorcerer huh? And is a magblade not a nightblade? You have literally lost the little credibility you had with me..
Im not complaining. I am saying take a look at the other half of the class. Look at what a stam sorc has and think, hmm people play stam sorc with a few utility skills. So maybe i can play mag sorc with those same skills and everything else the class has to offer..
And whats with you and fengrush? You really dont like him huh? You keep bringing him up.. But i dont think you're talking to fengrush are you.
I wish you could have kept your complaints in that other thread. I liked you more there.
**Edit. Nothing against role playing but Im not going to take advice on competitive pvp and this games classes from you when you dont believe a stam sorc is actually a sorcerer. This is the elder scrolls online not skyrim and not harry potter.Edited by eso_lags on August 5, 2018 9:21AM3 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
And one more thing lee. I agree with you that the timing thing needs to be fixed as well.. But the damage is not needed... What would you say if fear dealt damage after you broke it? Would that be a good thing? Because nightblades have some pretty high burst... As do mag sorcs.. I wouldnt say its a great thing that fossilize deals damage after you break it but the difference is dks dont have the same burst as sorcs... For one they dont have a ranged execute like fury...
But dmg was rune cages additional effects, fear has other effects such as be aoe, applying maim and snaring.
It needs more effects that to just cc players who aren't dodging.
They could reduce the cost by like half or something, to go with how useful its going to be now.
OR add a small amount of dmg, or a small dot etc...
Just something because its now just a costly cc that will miss half the time and does nothing else.
Also where did this fury hate come from? I took a long break before the event started and fury has literally been the same skill as far as a remember, did it get buffed? Or did the forum whine army decide to target that now after 4 yrs?
Fury hate? I dont know anything about that... I mean its a ranged execute like radient and ranged executes are strong in this game. But hate? No..
And i can agree with you there. But the way everyone has a panic attack when sorcs are touched in any way is unreal... You are absolutely right. It should probably have a cost decrease.. But i wouldnt say too much since it will still deal damage, i think, if the cc lasts.. Maybe reduce the cc length so its more likely it will last? Idk. Or maybe add a small effect...
Regardless if it gets the nerf its supposed to get it still is not going to make things terrible for sorcs..0 -
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
Its got no dmg attached to it anymore so a sorcs burst took a hit, it's not going to be able to deal with anything stamina that dodge rolls. Especially nb's. So its an expensive cc that just cc and will be rendered useless vs most stamina builds.
So sorc's use a sustain set and thats a problem? Combined with using stamina for sustain? All thats really needed is to cc a sorc on cooldown and they'll so stop spamming dark deal.
Where the double compensation for the double nerf? Every other skill that gets nerfed seems to get some type of compensation.
No.. Its not going to be useless... Its going to be a cc that cannot be dodged... On a class with massive ranged burst potential.. On a class that can neuter melee players with mines.
Why are you guys so selfish? You wont be able to deal with nigthblades? Dont you think we all hate nightblades?? When i used to play stamblade i hated fighting other stamblades more than anything... Cloak is obnoxious. But its called counterplay. Line up burst or run them out of resources. Run detect pots, as garbage as they are theyre better than nothing. Hell, detect and immovable with magick..
And i never said using lich was a problem i said you have many ways to sustain, lich is one and most people use it.
Im sorry but the damage is to much. The buggy cc is too much. Everyone was fine with destructive touch in the past but now this seems to be a huge issue... Game breaking apparently. Again please tell me where my stam sorc has its class CC with damage. Wheres my class damage skills. Class ult. Why worry about your favorite class so much when other classes get shafted? Look at magden ffs. I dont think ive ever died to a magden.
Your stam sorc has dawnbreaker, pls tell me where the high dmg instant ult of a mag sorc's is? Before rune cage no one used meteor because it didn't hit and everyone just blocked. Out of the 3 sorc ults stam sorc can still use 2 to the same degree as a mag sorc. The only one that won't have much dmg is atro and no one uses that for dmg anyway.
The buggy cc was most peoples issue, if it was fixed that people would be able to break free before the frag hit. They can now if they're far enough away because frags a projectile.
But instead of fixing the buggy cc zos will just nerf the skill so people don't use it. Don't need to fix something that people don't use.
It's sad that mag sorc's are going to need to run rune cage anyway despite it being a bad cc because they need a way to deal the the horde of new dk's with wings next patch, so they can't use clench again.
LOL now now lee.. you and i both know that mag sorcs use dawnbreaker... We both have seen a mag sorc use dawnbreaker. And we both know it is just as, if not more, effective as a stam sorc using it... Because a fury and frag, possibly a curse, all come with that DB... It may not be the 18k tool tip that my dawnbreaker is, but if you dont like it thats what you have meteor for.
Also there is streak.. Do people forget streak? Meteor and streak.. But people wont use that. why? Because its harder to line up burst. You have to actually time move correctly to get your other skills off in sync with meteor... Not just rune prison and stand still 20 feet away while bringing down the house on my head...
And just because i can use negate and overload doesnt change the fact i have no class damage skills or damage ult... But lets not get into a stam sorc vs mag sorc fight, because when it comes to classes its probably one of the biggest gaps with mag vs stam...2 -
Mannix1958✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
You obviously have very limited set of mag sorcs you have run into. Nearly all wear Lich. Plus look at your point on heavy attack....first its "Also i never said only heavy attack" but then its "And on top of that add heavy attacks.. "0 -
aetherial_heavenn✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Do not expect a detailed explanation
All you will read is " Rune cage OP nerf " without any argument.
The waters on this one get muddied a bit when you get into the details. Most players (well, most good players) don't have a problem with Rune Cage. The problem is that Rune Cage sometimes bugs out Break Free, and players with full stamina pools are held down because of some issue in the code of the skill (I have heard that the same complaint exists for DKs Fossilize and NBs Fear).
So, we have a class with tremendous burst damage output with an effectively unbreakable CC and an execute that doesn't need to be cast in execute range, and I'm sure you can figure out why people would call them OP, even if their real complaint is a technical issue, and not a balancing issue.
Edit: Oh, and one of the most powerful shields in the game. And one of the best magicka mobility/escape skills.
Agree completely but i would add mag sorcs are also easy.
Example: Played my crafting sorc in Cyro on way to sewers today. Wearing (edit -all light armour-) seducers BSW incomplete sets and not an impen trait in sight. CP set up for heals. Half the morphs not maxed. Was just there to leech the keep tick for the event achievement.
To my surprise I got 2 kills and my first avenge after 5 mins of play. Took me months on my magplar to learn how to kill anything.
My crafting Sorc just shield stacks, rune cage, curse, spammable or LA, fury and most average players just melt. Can't do that on a magplar or magden without optimal gear, perfect situational rotation, lots of practice. Even so my burst dps is non existant on both the magden and the magplar, and in light armour, i am even more squishy than on the crafting non impen armour sorc..
Edit OP. Sorcs are fun to play and easy to get kills on. Buggy break free on rune cage and buggy cc immunity just makes them ridiculous. If they fixed the bugs then magsorcs would still have one of the nicest pvp skill sets in the game. Back to my main, a magplar, Sigh
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✭✭Mannix1958 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
Why do 100% of mag dk's use fossilize?
Or 100% of stam nbs use fear?
Because thats there damn cc.
Also if you heavy attack to sustain on a mag sorc then you'd literally cast 1 shield, heavy resto, cast 1 shield, heavy resto and thats all you''d be able to do. You'd likely not survive a 1v1 like that never mind open world.
If that fixed the weird timing on the cc on rune that people would be able to break free earlier and not take the full combo dmg. But instead they'd rather nerf the skill to uselessness than fix the thing.
LOL and why did 99.99% of sorcs i ran into, lets say, in the last couple updates not run rune prison... Even right after the frag nerf most sorcs i ran into had flame reach.. Seems to be a bandwagon thing now. And almost every mag sorc main i speak to acknowledges that it is a problem...
Also i never said only heavy attack.. Nearly every mag sorc runs lich.. Boom there you. Now add dark exchange.. Now add shackle if you want. And on top of that add heavy attacks..
And why dont you, or someone, enlighten me as to how its been nerfed into uselessness...
You obviously have very limited set of mag sorcs you have run into. Nearly all wear Lich. Plus look at your point on heavy attack....first its "Also i never said only heavy attack" but then its "And on top of that add heavy attacks.. "
You're one of those nit picky types. What i said was a list of things that mag sorcs could use to sustain. Lich was in there. Heavy attacks. Dark exchange.. Etc..
I put it in bold so you wouldnt miss it. And no i run into dozens if not hundreds of mag sorcs every day..0 -
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People are still on the whole "They're the only class that can get defense by stacking offense"?I genuinely don't see it. They can be countered pretty well.
because they are only class which can time atlesat 4 skill to deal damage in same time and no other class can do same + they are only class where you go for offense stat - max magica and with it your defense (shields) is rising along with damage whre any other class need to sacriface something, go for more damage or go for more defense, without proc sets no any other class will have defense with offense at once from single source
about skill combo its - mages wrath procing when you just fall below 20% hp - so its mostly just guaranteed death if you are not very tankly and to this you can time curse, rune cage, meteor and add to this spammable, with good timing all of this will deal damage in same second and atlest hald is undodgable/unblockable - mages wrath proc - its just passively proc on you which you cant counter in other way than resists, curse - same and rune cage ofc also undodgable and unblockable with really hard cc
and to evreyone who can say shields are not that op and easy to burst - its good enough defense even for 1vx in good hand and sorc capabilities with his combos - good plan for combo and you will jsut 1shot everyone nontankly and still could rekt tanks if have ult saved for this
and they can be countered pretty well....just by stupid op sets wth oblivion damage and other proc sets and normally they are not that easy to counter if you are not other sorc to plan full combo to let him eat few skills at once with cc
Because literally every class can do that. That's the way healing works. Every class also has access to shields
erm yes? because with it they are still in light armor while most of rest classes is forced now to go into heavy armor so they are losing their buffs to damage from med and light armor
and not every class have great access to great healing:
- every stam char in medium armor have crap vigor healing without mending buff which dont have everyone, in heavy armor healing is more efficient for stam char
magdens, magplars are forced to be in heavy armor to just surivive, I cant even remember when I meet last time templar in ligh or even magden while still having great healing and dont be able to get ez 1shot because of low resists
about mag dk Im not sure as they at all are mostly perm blockers with it so?
so most classes need to pass on their max damage to get more even healing or tankniess to not get 1shot, you have active deffense in shields which prefent you from any 1shot behind them and thats why every sorc dont even plan his burst someone in fight without still shields up
1. Vigor is insane, especially combined with Momentum
2. Many people still use light armor. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that's all there is. Sorc is definitely not the only one who rocks Light.
vigor is insane only if you have buffs to healing like mendig, vitality etc
do you even tried to use vigor on class without these buffs? all it can to its just outheal dots running on you and for direct damage you have left only momenth which have fine heal once every 15 sec which cant be spammed
many people use light armor, yes because many people are playing sorcs and nb's, thats why many are using light armor
rest is mainly still running heavy because theyr are not that effective with shieldstacking as sorc and cant go into cloak like nb to mitigate rest incomming damage
only magdk have more potential from rest (magplar, magden) to go in light and damage because he can without bigger problem play on perm block using sometimes heavy attacks when need to restore stamina
templar just cant use block when damaging so need to have more resists, magden is more mobile and often block will just kill him becasue it will kill his mobility so also need more resists to survive0 -
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erm yes? because with it they are still in light armor while most of rest classes is forced now to go into heavy armor so they are losing their buffs to damage from med and light armor
and not every class have great access to great healing:
- every stam char in medium armor have crap vigor healing without mending buff which dont have everyone, in heavy armor healing is more efficient for stam char
magdens, magplars are forced to be in heavy armor to just surivive, I cant even remember when I meet last time templar in ligh or even magden while still having great healing and dont be able to get ez 1shot because of low resists
about mag dk Im not sure as they at all are mostly perm blockers with it so?
so most classes need to pass on their max damage to get more even healing or tankniess to not get 1shot, you have active deffense in shields which prefent you from any 1shot behind them and thats why every sorc dont even plan his burst someone in fight without still shields up
That's only because you fail to understand the logic of light armor. Light armor is all about damage shield absorbtion. You are supposed to be constantly casting in light armor and the only way to survive, is by using shields, no matter what class. All classes have access to annulment, steadfast ward and some others. Nightblades, Sorcerers do it and so can any other class.
Every class can perfectly wear light armor. The thing is though, it's hardly worth it in my opinion. You have to spam so many abilities, you won't even profit from the extra magicka sustain and the extra damage is underwhelming in pvp, as light armor does nothing against damage shields. Light armor is good in pve, just as medium armor is. But as for pvp, light armor actually offers little compared to medium and heavy. And light armor is the only with a pretty useless passive that does not synergize with the playstyle, spell warding. It's a terrible and totally useless passive, even when your shields are off.
yes every class can perfectly wear light armor but not every class will be that efficient with this like sorcs and nb who haave shields/cloak to mitigate damage
rest classes dont have that big potential in shieldstacking as sorcs and dont have cloak like nb to jsut hide before all incoming damage so then need to invest more into tankly to not get 1shots from every glass cannon
and light armor offers little in compared to medium armor? please dont say that as we have with every next patch more and more undodgable abilities where people in light armor just use shelds for indocming damage while medium armor all what can to is rolldodge which isnt efficient for 50% of skills on pvp so need to eat all of this damage,
block isnt also efficient in this medium to not eat full damage from undodgable skills, this ill put you in additional disadvantage and cripple your entire medium build - stamina regen
and about your spell warding we can tell same about improved sneak in medium armor as most of people who dont play nb you literally in ass this passive because they yout dont use sneak in pvp becasue they are not stealthy roleplay killers0 -
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✭✭✭All of you mag sorcs... come play stam sorc and then i will consider your opinion about anything that gets nerfed on a mag sorc.
Stop complaining. You cant sustain? Cant keep your shields up? Cant line up one of the strongest, and most simple, burst combos in the game? Learn to do it.
Seriously, if you have sustain issues just heavy resto the whole fight. Maybe even use resto ult when you have it. The person fighting you will end up getting sick of blocking the heavys and you can stack shields endlessly and go for your combo...
And if people cannot understand why taking a curse, fury, frag, meteor, and prison damage, to the face is a major problem, then i cant help you... Oh what did you say? Run immovables? To fight one build? Sure no problem.. But that doesnt solve anything...
And if you cant time that combo so that the other player cannot react, then again im sorry but you're doing it wrong... The ability is over performing in pvp. Thats it.
Oh, and please tell me whats wrong with destro or streak? Why do 99.99% of sorcs i run into have rune prison on? Hmmm i wonder ...
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I know right! This is what ive been trying to tell you guys but i didnt want to be rude. Just because you feel the need to complain about sorcs getting a small nerf on an overpowered ability does not mean that it is wrong. Sorcs do not have all these problems you're complaining about.. And even if they have any there are plenty of ways around them. Just brush up on your sorcing, youll be fine without rune prison i promise...
Or, alternatively, we could actually want to not have our preferred class nerfed totally. Just because you're content with mediocrity, doesn't mean any of us are.
As shown by Fengrush, Stam Sorc players love to complain about everything because they prefer to play a Sorcerer that isn't actually a Sorcerer and thus this makes them special.
Lol oh i see what this is now.. You're a role player.. Not a sorcerer huh? And is a magblade not a nightblade? You have literally lost the little credibility you had with me..
Im not complaining. I am saying take a look at the other half of the class. Look at what a stam sorc has and think, hmm people play stam sorc with a few utility skills. So maybe i can play mag sorc with those same skills and everything else the class has to offer..
And whats with you and fengrush? You really dont like him huh? You keep bringing him up.. But i dont think you're talking to fengrush are you.
I wish you could have kept your complaints in that other thread. I liked you more there.
**Edit. Nothing against role playing but Im not going to take advice on competitive pvp and this games classes from you when you dont believe a stam sorc is actually a sorcerer. This is the elder scrolls online not skyrim and not harry potter.
I really don't need respect from someone with a victim complex who likes to drag everyone down to his level so that he can get some kills.
Sorry, dude. And no, I'm not a role player, but it's really not hard to see Stam Sorc was never really an intended playstyle and they just kinda threw them a bone with a couple of passives and Hurricane.
It's kinda like trying to screw in a screw with a shovel. It was never meant to be used that way, but you're gonna keep shouting until you get a bigger and bigger screw anyways.Edited by Valrien on August 5, 2018 2:15PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭Sorcs are definetly not OP but they are not weak.
In pvp their shields are annoying and they got a decent burst but theres counterplay. Streak is the best example of a fair escape skill. Rune is OP but i heard thats getting adjusted.
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✭✭✭Sorcs are definetly not OP but they are not weak.
In pvp their shields are annoying and they got a decent burst but theres counterplay. Streak is the best example of a fair escape skill. Rune is OP but i heard thats getting adjusted.
In Pve they are 2nd best damage dealers and any class can can heal/tank
Streak? LOL
The gap closers in this game are so long-rage that streak does nothing for an escape.
Give Streak a 29 meter range and then we'll call it an escape. Otherwise it's mainly just a way to zoom around a little bit and make your opponent catch up to you
EDIT: I'm not actually advocating that, but it's silly to call it an escape skill when the range isn't even close to outranging anyone with a gap closer equipped (i.e., almost everyone)
1. Give BE a little bit more range
2. Remove the stacking cost ffsEdited by Valrien on August 5, 2018 2:47PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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ChefZero✭✭✭✭Sorcs are definetly not OP but they are not weak.
In pvp their shields are annoying and they got a decent burst but theres counterplay. Streak is the best example of a fair escape skill. Rune is OP but i heard thats getting adjusted.
In Pve they are 2nd best damage dealers and any class can can heal/tank
Streak? LOL
The gap closers in this game are so long-rage that streak does nothing for an escape.
Give Streak a 29 meter range and then we'll call it an escape. Otherwise it's mainly just a way to zoom around a little bit and make your opponent catch up to you
EDIT: I'm not actually advocating that, but it's silly to call it an escape skill when the range isn't even close to outranging anyone with a gap closer equipped (i.e., almost everyone)
1. Give BE a little bit more range
2. Remove the stacking cost ffs
1. Sorc can streak to LoS so capclosers are useless in this case. Especially in most BGs and IC very easy.
2. Sorc can streak + mines, so if you can use a capcloser you will run into mines and possible rune caged and bursted if played well by the sorc.
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✭✭✭Sorcs are definetly not OP but they are not weak.
In pvp their shields are annoying and they got a decent burst but theres counterplay. Streak is the best example of a fair escape skill. Rune is OP but i heard thats getting adjusted.
In Pve they are 2nd best damage dealers and any class can can heal/tank
Streak? LOL
The gap closers in this game are so long-rage that streak does nothing for an escape.
Give Streak a 29 meter range and then we'll call it an escape. Otherwise it's mainly just a way to zoom around a little bit and make your opponent catch up to you
EDIT: I'm not actually advocating that, but it's silly to call it an escape skill when the range isn't even close to outranging anyone with a gap closer equipped (i.e., almost everyone)
1. Give BE a little bit more range
2. Remove the stacking cost ffs
1. Sorc can streak to LoS so capclosers are useless in this case. Especially in most BGs and IC very easy.
2. Sorc can streak + mines, so if you can use a capcloser you will run into mines and possible rune caged and bursted if played well by the sorc.
3. Especially other magicka classes have a huge mobility disadvantage and it's hard for them to follow up without touching their stamina.
Fair points. LoS certainly works but if the person using the gap closer is fast enough they'll still get you because you can't actually streak BEHIND an LoS...just to it and then run around.
Mines can be useful for escaping, but the problematic thing is that all it takes is a dodgeroll and another gap closer (which also makes you immune to future roots)
This last point is true for DKs and Wardens yeah, since NB and Templar still have a magicka gap closer.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭Sorcs are definetly not OP but they are not weak.
In pvp their shields are annoying and they got a decent burst but theres counterplay. Streak is the best example of a fair escape skill. Rune is OP but i heard thats getting adjusted.
In Pve they are 2nd best damage dealers and any class can can heal/tank
Streak? LOL
The gap closers in this game are so long-rage that streak does nothing for an escape.
Give Streak a 29 meter range and then we'll call it an escape. Otherwise it's mainly just a way to zoom around a little bit and make your opponent catch up to you
EDIT: I'm not actually advocating that, but it's silly to call it an escape skill when the range isn't even close to outranging anyone with a gap closer equipped (i.e., almost everyone)
1. Give BE a little bit more range
2. Remove the stacking cost ffs
so about escaping what we will say about dk, warden and templar?
at sorc its enough to fast spam atlest 2 time in row to get out of range gap closers but we know every good sorc always streak atlest 3 or 4 times so also have some moment to regenerate, cast his boundless storm for major expedition, sprint till streak fatigue will end and again strea 2-3 times, again storm with sprint and this is escape tool
and tbh not much people now have gap closers after their daamge nerf, for example every nb have gap closer but this is because its their class gap closer and never bugging like rest charging gap closers
rest classes have nothing than only sprind and even not every have that easy acces to speedbuff (lurking on templar)
only warden is know as really mobile class with just speedbuffs, rest - dk and templar are know as just tankly turles and tankly because as slow class they are forced to be tankly to can stay on ground and survive while other classes can easily escape1