WildWilbur wrote: »

jwjackson5674 wrote: »

First of, I manly PVE, have only ever stepped into Cyrodiil to get vigor and caltrops for my Stam characters. So I decide to go into Cyrodiil to work on the fishing achievement. I go way out to a remote fishing spot in some far corner of the map, no where near any battle or anything, and proceed to start fishing. After about the 4th cast, I get ganked and killed before I can even blink. So why, way out in the middle of nowhere, did someone find it necessary to kill me? Just goes to prove that PVP'ers are the lowest and they have no honor.

You came to Cyrodiil to kill innocent fish??? YOU MONSTER!!!

Fish are friends. Not FOOD

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Waiting for the

''Cyrodiil is a PvP zone, expect PvP!'' comments...

Oh wait, they're already here, a shame people seem to have forgotten that Cyrodiil is also a PvE zone, yet PvE is made practically impossible because of PvP, even in locations where there are no Alliance War elements implemented, save for literally killing someone.

I'm honestly surprised it took you this long to figure out that the PvP players in this game are, generally speaking, the lowest of the low. Been two years since I first figured that out, kept going to Cyrodiil anyway, only to be proven right pretty much every time.

Because there's really no place in Cyrodiil that's solely a PVE zone. The PVE quests are simple because they are designed to be done with the threat of PVP. The entire zone is a PVP zone that happens to have some PVE elements. I used to be PVE only when I first went to Cyrodiil for fish and skyshards, but I understood that I was walking into a PVP zone.

Really, designed to be done with the threat of PvP? You sure about that?

What about Supplies for Applewatch? Secret Revealed? Nirnroot Wine? The Changing Kind? Homeward? The List? The Shurgak Job? Best Left Unknown? Cause and Effect? Congratulations!? Medicinal Herbs? The Doctor's Bag? Catch of the Day? Spoils of War? Distant Relatives? The Silver Flute? Out for a Wak? Articles of Faith? Misplaced Knowledge? The Devils You Know? Better Late Than Never? The Message? Heirloom? Special Delivery? Regret?

What about the Fighter's Guild repeatable quests, for the Black Dagger bandits, Goblins, Gray Vipers, and Shadowed Path?

And that's only counting the quests that have little to do with the Alliance War; they were not designed at all to be done with the threat of PvP. The quests in Vlastarus, Cropsford, and Bruma, sure, those were, there's a reason why they aren't regular towns like Cheydinhal or Chorrol, but rather Alliance Settlements, for those that PvP threat is meant to be present, not for the rest.

Those are short, simple quests, including the dailies at Chorrol and Cheydinhal. Far less complex than most PVE quests. So yeah, designed to be done with the threat of PVP, especially considering that Cyrodiil was always designed as a PVP zone.

You want to complain about a PVE quest with actual content locked behind a PVP zone, take a look at Imperial City instead. There's actual substance in those quests, far more than anything you'll find in Cyrodiil.

I'll say to you the same thing I said during the anniversary event, another time when PVPers had reasons to be doing the dailies and fighting other players. "Cyrodiil is a PVP zone. Prepare for PVP or don't complain when you die after failing to prepare."

''Short''

Also, less complex eh? That's because they're not a main story type of quest, because Cyrodiil doesn't have that. The smaller less important quests are this ''short'' everywhere.

Cyrodiil was designed as a PvP/PvE zone, otherwise there wouldn't be any PvE elements implemented.

Imperial City players use the same trashy argument as you're using right now: ''IC iS A pVp ZoNe, DeAl WitH IT.''

Gods above, PvP players really are the plague of this game.

I'm a pure PvEer myself and I'll be the first to side with you at calling names to the annoying little boys and their peeing contests around wayshrines and other generally unsuitable places. But come on man, that's Cyrodiil, it's a war zone, it's their turf, not that of fisherman, not that of completionist PvEers. It's like you're stepping into their house, grab their remote and slump on their couch, and now you expect... what exactly, that they'll let you zap through Baywatch reruns all night long?

These guys are the PvPers that are actually playing the game as it's meant to be played, in the location that's designed for it, so show some respect.

As for the achievement, I got it without too much trouble, here's some tips:
1. Don't go do it during the year's largest Cyrodiil PvP event (duh!)
2. Go late, or go early, outside peak times
3. The most remote fishing hole isn't necessarily the safest one. You might run a lower chance of being spotted, but you're also alone and without a chance if it comes to a fight. Try to get as many fish as possible in your own alliance territory first, the closer to your starting gate the better.
4. Go in a group, it will deter some gankers, and offer protection in numbers from others.
5. Position and locational awareness: always stand with your back to a big tree or rock, cam a full 360 after every throw.

You don't need impen armor as some suggested, your goal is to fish not to fight and once you do get into a fight you've already lost. The other guy is going to be a hundred times more experienced than you so Impen is not going to save you, at best it will prolong your suffering by a second or 2. Even if you were to win the fight, you'd have 'wasted' time on something you're not interested in doing. What I did is to throw everything on sneak and speed. Avoid detection, and when that fails, run. There's no shame in that, once again you're in a war zone, if you're not a 'soldier' and you decide to stand and fight, you're being stupid not brave.

Bruccius wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Waiting for the

''Cyrodiil is a PvP zone, expect PvP!'' comments...

Oh wait, they're already here, a shame people seem to have forgotten that Cyrodiil is also a PvE zone, yet PvE is made practically impossible because of PvP, even in locations where there are no Alliance War elements implemented, save for literally killing someone.

I'm honestly surprised it took you this long to figure out that the PvP players in this game are, generally speaking, the lowest of the low. Been two years since I first figured that out, kept going to Cyrodiil anyway, only to be proven right pretty much every time.

Because there's really no place in Cyrodiil that's solely a PVE zone. The PVE quests are simple because they are designed to be done with the threat of PVP. The entire zone is a PVP zone that happens to have some PVE elements. I used to be PVE only when I first went to Cyrodiil for fish and skyshards, but I understood that I was walking into a PVP zone.

Really, designed to be done with the threat of PvP? You sure about that?

What about Supplies for Applewatch? Secret Revealed? Nirnroot Wine? The Changing Kind? Homeward? The List? The Shurgak Job? Best Left Unknown? Cause and Effect? Congratulations!? Medicinal Herbs? The Doctor's Bag? Catch of the Day? Spoils of War? Distant Relatives? The Silver Flute? Out for a Wak? Articles of Faith? Misplaced Knowledge? The Devils You Know? Better Late Than Never? The Message? Heirloom? Special Delivery? Regret?

What about the Fighter's Guild repeatable quests, for the Black Dagger bandits, Goblins, Gray Vipers, and Shadowed Path?

And that's only counting the quests that have little to do with the Alliance War; they were not designed at all to be done with the threat of PvP. The quests in Vlastarus, Cropsford, and Bruma, sure, those were, there's a reason why they aren't regular towns like Cheydinhal or Chorrol, but rather Alliance Settlements, for those that PvP threat is meant to be present, not for the rest.

Those are short, simple quests, including the dailies at Chorrol and Cheydinhal. Far less complex than most PVE quests. So yeah, designed to be done with the threat of PVP, especially considering that Cyrodiil was always designed as a PVP zone.

You want to complain about a PVE quest with actual content locked behind a PVP zone, take a look at Imperial City instead. There's actual substance in those quests, far more than anything you'll find in Cyrodiil.

I'll say to you the same thing I said during the anniversary event, another time when PVPers had reasons to be doing the dailies and fighting other players. "Cyrodiil is a PVP zone. Prepare for PVP or don't complain when you die after failing to prepare."

''Short''

Also, less complex eh? That's because they're not a main story type of quest, because Cyrodiil doesn't have that. The smaller less important quests are this ''short'' everywhere.

Cyrodiil was designed as a PvP/PvE zone, otherwise there wouldn't be any PvE elements implemented.

Imperial City players use the same trashy argument as you're using right now: ''IC iS A pVp ZoNe, DeAl WitH IT.''

Gods above, PvP players really are the plague of this game.

And what is it you're trying to express with all this rambeling? That players shall not engage you while you deliberately queued for a "mixed" pvp+pve zone? Maybe this concept is foreign to you but the devs had an intent when they designed this zone the way you did. If you don't like it, fine, then don't go there. I can't stand the pve "endgame", so you won't see me raiding any vet trials. But you won't see me complaining about pve endgamers for that reason either.

If you still want to do those quests you mentioned, come prepared. I can't expect to join a vet trail group in my pvp gear or on a obviously subpar build either. I have to do what is necessary. And joining a pvp campaign makes it necessary for you to expect getting engaged by other players.

Only lowlifes here are the people who don't get that Cyrodiil was designed as a PvP/PvE zone (otherwise there wouldn't be any PvP elements implemented) and then come to the forums to belittle players that do what this zone is designed for

P.S. If you find those short quests too difficult to do in actual pvp gear, maybe PvE isn't for you either.

Bruccius wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Waiting for the

''Cyrodiil is a PvP zone, expect PvP!'' comments...

Oh wait, they're already here, a shame people seem to have forgotten that Cyrodiil is also a PvE zone, yet PvE is made practically impossible because of PvP, even in locations where there are no Alliance War elements implemented, save for literally killing someone.

I'm honestly surprised it took you this long to figure out that the PvP players in this game are, generally speaking, the lowest of the low. Been two years since I first figured that out, kept going to Cyrodiil anyway, only to be proven right pretty much every time.

Because there's really no place in Cyrodiil that's solely a PVE zone. The PVE quests are simple because they are designed to be done with the threat of PVP. The entire zone is a PVP zone that happens to have some PVE elements. I used to be PVE only when I first went to Cyrodiil for fish and skyshards, but I understood that I was walking into a PVP zone.

Really, designed to be done with the threat of PvP? You sure about that?

What about Supplies for Applewatch? Secret Revealed? Nirnroot Wine? The Changing Kind? Homeward? The List? The Shurgak Job? Best Left Unknown? Cause and Effect? Congratulations!? Medicinal Herbs? The Doctor's Bag? Catch of the Day? Spoils of War? Distant Relatives? The Silver Flute? Out for a Wak? Articles of Faith? Misplaced Knowledge? The Devils You Know? Better Late Than Never? The Message? Heirloom? Special Delivery? Regret?

What about the Fighter's Guild repeatable quests, for the Black Dagger bandits, Goblins, Gray Vipers, and Shadowed Path?

And that's only counting the quests that have little to do with the Alliance War; they were not designed at all to be done with the threat of PvP. The quests in Vlastarus, Cropsford, and Bruma, sure, those were, there's a reason why they aren't regular towns like Cheydinhal or Chorrol, but rather Alliance Settlements, for those that PvP threat is meant to be present, not for the rest.

Those are short, simple quests, including the dailies at Chorrol and Cheydinhal. Far less complex than most PVE quests. So yeah, designed to be done with the threat of PVP, especially considering that Cyrodiil was always designed as a PVP zone.

You want to complain about a PVE quest with actual content locked behind a PVP zone, take a look at Imperial City instead. There's actual substance in those quests, far more than anything you'll find in Cyrodiil.

I'll say to you the same thing I said during the anniversary event, another time when PVPers had reasons to be doing the dailies and fighting other players. "Cyrodiil is a PVP zone. Prepare for PVP or don't complain when you die after failing to prepare."

''Short''

Also, less complex eh? That's because they're not a main story type of quest, because Cyrodiil doesn't have that. The smaller less important quests are this ''short'' everywhere.

Cyrodiil was designed as a PvP/PvE zone, otherwise there wouldn't be any PvE elements implemented.

Imperial City players use the same trashy argument as you're using right now: ''IC iS A pVp ZoNe, DeAl WitH IT.''

Gods above, PvP players really are the plague of this game.

Imperial City is a PVP zone with PVE quests taking you straight through that PVP zone. That's exactly what it is.

I'm not sure what you want me to say. You sound so shocked and appalled that PVP might happen during your PVE in a PVP zone.

Are you asking for respect as a PVE quester when there's zero way for me to tell that for sure in a PVP zone? Are you asking for a PVE only version? I'd be fine with that as long as you get known of the rewards that are designed to be gotten with the risk of PVP in a PVP zone.

Cyrodiil and Imperial City are PVP enabled zones. They have some PVE elements. What exactly do you think should be happening in a PVP zone?

I would've killed you too.

You're crying no honor, but I'm seeing no common sense.

vometia wrote: »

This rather contrived situation of trying to bring PvE and PvP together just seems designed to cause trouble; well, maybe not designed, but that's going to be the outcome.

In Wayrest, we drive on the left. In Mournhold, they drive on the right. The Imperial City has invited us all to visit, and as a celebration of Tamriel's diversity, we have been told to drive our Aston Martins along their roads on the left and the Dunmer will be allowed to continue to drive their big vulgar Pontiacs on the right. What could possibly go wrong!

Of course a few can do both and might be able to nimbly slalom around the confused and angry Bretons and Dunmer but it's going to be ugly.

Its designed to bring PVE players into PVP, for a taste of it. Many don't like it. Some do.

One benefit is that players who would never othwrwise try PVP, try PVP. As I stated above, I hated the idea of PVP. But having to get the Master Angler fish and skyshard eventually led me to try and like PVP.

Another benefit is that more players understand the basics of how PVP works. That's huge she, the devs insist on balancing PVP and PVE together. It becomes important to have a knowledgeable player base, and things like achievements, Caltrops, vigor, warhorn, outfit styles are part of getting PVE players into PVP just like dungeon gear gets PVPers into PVE.

Its not smooth, its not easy, but the devs made it that way for good reasons.

From fish perspective you have no honor either.

Stovahkiin wrote: »

The whole stigma between “pve and pvp players” is just plain ignorant. You can’t lump a whole group of people into the “bad” bag simply because there are some bad examples here and there

I fail to see the bad example here: I don't know if I'd attack a lone fisher, but what if the fisher is just a bait and there's a bunch of friends hiding nearby ready to jump on me while I'm distracted by him?

This is a sad story....
I missed out on an easy 3.2k AP

go in sneak while in pvp

geonsocal wrote: »

ridicule...scorn...sarcasm...boasting...well wishes...

Why would you expect anything less?

Minyassa wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

Blame ZOS for forcing Cyrodiil on us to complete worldwide achievements like Master Angler and the skyshard collection. They wanted this. They just had to make PvP such an integral part of the game that even people who want nothing to do with ESO's PvP community have to choose to either go without major achievement rewards permanently, or tolerate being treated as AP nodes and have to trek across the countryside again and again to get back to the fishing nodes. Ultimately it's on ZOS whenever they ruin play for someone for as long as they are forced to deal with that. Remember that when it comes to giving them money.

Yep! ZOS totally forces PVE only players into Cyrodiil to get those achievements.

It sucks. Its also why my PVE-only Skyrim-single-player-game-loving self became a PVPer.

I hated the very thought of PVP. I hated group content too, for that matter. But I wanted the Master Angler title, and that meant I had to go to Cyrodiil. Got ganked a few times, got my fish, swore I was never coming back.

Then I wanted skyshards. Got them on an emptier campaign. Finally got the gate skyshards. Said I wasnt coming back.

Eventually I decided I wanted to try PVP for reals. Died a lot, found a guild, got a lot better. Now I PVP regularly, several times a week.

ZOS absolutely forces players who want worldwide achievements (among other things) into Cyrodiil. Not everyone likes it. I hated that I had to go into Cyrodiil at the time. But if not for Master Angler, I would not have ever tried or come to enjoy PVP.

The sad thing is, I like PvP in non-MMOs. If things were different I'd actually love to get involved in games of strategy and contests of skill with like-minded mature players.

Same! Always blows my mind if you give a negative comment about eso pvp it's assumed you're a pver or a carebear. Nope, I just like competition and competitive pvp based off of playerskill.

Ohtimbar wrote: »

PVP is supposed to be about skill, but plenty of players just want to farm newbs for easy ap. It's lame, turns off potential new players and requires zero skill. Thankfully, not everyone is like that.

Don't you love the snarky comments defending this type of behavior? With less than 7% (verifiable thru trophies and achievements lists) of the population even bothering with eso's pvp, these folks are doing a bang up job attracting new blood me thinks!

Obviously have to say this to avoid any misconceptions, I pvp. 2 or 3 times a week. I'm in bg's or SS, the no-cp campaign.

If you are fishing in a remote spot in Cyrodiil, you need to make sure the two nearest keeps or outposts or gates are controlled by the same faction. That will reduce the amount of foot and mount traffic in the area, thus allowing you to fish in peace.

Also, if you are fishing in the ocean spots near the Mnem gate, you need to make sure Bloodmayne is controlled by AD as that vastly reduces the chances of someone bothering you while you fish there. If DC or EP control Bloodmayne, at least two factions are bound to be traveling by those ocean fishing holes, thus vastly increasing your chances of an enemy player attacking you.

Note: I'm a ESO noob and just gave Cyrodiil a try last night so take this post with as much salt as you want

I get the annoyance, but it is a warzone and you are affiliated with one of the three alliances. @lagrue has a really good sounding idea using an emote to signal peace, if I'm out an about just exploring Cyrodiil I'll probably give that a shot. But if I do get killed, eh, that's just how it goes I suppose. Compared to Runescape's wilderness Cyrodiil is really peaceful imo.

I suppose whether you get killed or not while innawoods depends too on how many people are in your specific instance of Cyrodiil when you log in