Promoting Small scale / solo play, while nerfing the zergs, minuscule.. thoughts?

Biro123 · July 2018

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Qbiken · July 2018

I´m one of those that always wanted to join the "small-scale" community, but I´ve literally no clue on where to start, and I don´t think I´m alone with this. Whispering random groups with "Hey, u mind if I tag along?" doesn´t feel like the best way to begin tbh, and starting a new group with friends that isn´t too experienced with PvP isn´t enjoyable either. If you read the forum you won´t find any groups/guilds looking for players for small-scale groups

So where does a player like me start looking?

Thogard · July 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m one of those that always wanted to join the "small-scale" community, but I´ve literally no clue on where to start, and I don´t think I´m alone with this. Whispering random groups with "Hey, u mind if I tag along?" doesn´t feel like the best way to begin tbh, and starting a new group with friends that isn´t too experienced with PvP isn´t enjoyable either. If you read the forum you won´t find any groups/guilds looking for players for small-scale groups

So
where does a player like me start looking?

Many members of the small scale community on PC NA are also involved with the dueling community.

Datthaw · July 2018

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Datthaw · July 2018

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Mr_Nobody · July 2018

Or just completely nerf/rework purge and you can 2v30 a ball grp.

Biro123 · July 2018

Whether supported or not, zerging existed. DAOC came out in 2001 and it definitely had zerging. And small groups definitely looked down on them.

And no, they're MY forums! (And you get a quicker reply on them than the average ping to Vivec gets, so this is where I'm PVPing!)

VaranisArano · July 2018

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

I love these faction loyalists so delusional and arrogant. I know its hard to accept that there is variety in pvp, not everyone likes to play the same damn map for the faction bullcrap for 4 damn years and I'm pretty sure some skilled smallscalers have destroyed you 1vx for you chase them down with your "duo" of 24 people. Theres such thing has having a challenge which is smallscaling compared to uber noob 1 button zerging which it essentially is compared to the amount of things solo/small-scale players have to do outnumbered.

Faction loyalist here. I run with an organized raid, and sometimes I zerg surf.

I'd terribly bored if I only spammed one skill when I run with a large raid or even when I'm zergsurfing. Most of the time I get to heal large groups or zergsurfing as a healer, I'm constantly using 4-5 skills, and in full battle over a keep I'm often using all 10 skills and at least one ultimate!

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Yet we talk about ESO plus there is no MMO 15 years ago that supported zerging and spamming. You dont even know when ESO released, get off the forums please

Datthaw wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Yeah it was supposed to support large group play,but guess what: IT DOESN'T

And that's why there are no organized large groups playing in Cyrodiil.

Oh, wait.

Direct your complaints about server performance to the only people who can actually change things: ZOS.

MalagenR · July 2018

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Yet we talk about ESO plus there is no MMO 15 years ago that supported zerging and spamming. You dont even know when ESO released, get off the forums please

Datthaw wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Yeah it was supposed to support large group play,but guess what: IT DOESN'T

There were really good Korean MMO's 15 years ago that absolutely had zerging and spamming. Lineage2 being the front runner. Our Clan / Alliance would consistently hold off 4 to 5 times our number during castle sieges that were bi-monthly as we basically owned the server.

There was no crying about zergs in Lineage2 because good player's don't cry in PVP. The same way they don't cry in baseball, bud.

leepalmer95 · July 2018

MalagenR wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Yet we talk about ESO plus there is no MMO 15 years ago that supported zerging and spamming. You dont even know when ESO released, get off the forums please

Datthaw wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Yeah it was supposed to support large group play,but guess what: IT DOESN'T

There were really good Korean MMO's 15 years ago that absolutely had zerging and spamming. Lineage2 being the front runner. Our Clan / Alliance would consistently hold off 4 to 5 times our number during castle sieges that were bi-monthly as we basically owned the server.

There was no crying about zergs in Lineage2 because good player's don't cry in PVP. The same way they don't cry in baseball, bud.

The ones who don't complain are usually zergs, because they're oblivious to the game mechanics overall, they don't understand builds, burst, sustain etc... then just run in a big group and spam 1 skill and either win via sheer numbers or lose because of sheer numbers.

Hence why you see max cp + high pvp rank ppl who are strangely just bad at the game. I ran into a 1 star cp 750cp sorc today who just spammed vamp drain.

Nicko_Lps · July 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

I love these faction loyalists so delusional and arrogant. I know its hard to accept that there is variety in pvp, not everyone likes to play the same damn map for the faction bullcrap for 4 damn years and I'm pretty sure some skilled smallscalers have destroyed you 1vx for you chase them down with your "duo" of 24 people. Theres such thing has having a challenge which is smallscaling compared to uber noob 1 button zerging which it essentially is compared to the amount of things solo/small-scale players have to do outnumbered.

Faction loyalist here. I run with an organized raid, and sometimes I zerg surf.

I'd terribly bored if I only spammed one skill when I run with a large raid or even when I'm zergsurfing. Most of the time I get to heal large groups or zergsurfing as a healer, I'm constantly using 4-5 skills, and in full battle over a keep I'm often using all 10 skills and at least one ultimate!

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Yet we talk about ESO plus there is no MMO 15 years ago that supported zerging and spamming. You dont even know when ESO released, get off the forums please

Datthaw wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Yeah it was supposed to support large group play,but guess what: IT DOESN'T

And that's why there are no organized large groups playing in Cyrodiil.

Oh, wait.

Direct your complaints about server performance to the only people who can actually change things: ZOS.

I was directing my comments to ZoS as the whole threat is directed to ZoS but zerglings and their apologists had to jump in.
It makes sense now i reply to them?

MalagenR · July 2018

leepalmer95 wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Only elitist cry babies cry about zergs. Good players don't cry on forums. Been like this for 15+ years.

Only zerglings defend zerglings.
Btw zergling, there was no ESO 15+ years ago

ESO isn't the first mmo y'know.

Yet we talk about ESO plus there is no MMO 15 years ago that supported zerging and spamming. You dont even know when ESO released, get off the forums please

Datthaw wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
...

I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.

When your ZERG burns down fast another "zerg" that means they are a pack of randoms with no healers no buffs no nothing.
Just because your group is a premade with buffs and timed ultis that does not mean youre not a zerg. You guys are actually worst than a zerg of pugs just because they time down nothing while you time down everything to beat them kite like good zerglings around walls untill your ooga booga ultis are up then charge and repeat. You know zerg guilds famous for their zerging actions, get your guild whoever it is and charge them. You gonna spot the differance.

To me it sounds like you try to find excuses for your zerg guild and zerging actions that entirely ruin the game performance as you mindlessly spam just because you cant play alone.

Shall we keep this up?

Lol lol lol. Dude. Really? Cyro is supposed to support large group play, and at one time did. It's not this dudes fault zos sucks and can't fix server performance.

Yeah it was supposed to support large group play,but guess what: IT DOESN'T

There were really good Korean MMO's 15 years ago that absolutely had zerging and spamming. Lineage2 being the front runner. Our Clan / Alliance would consistently hold off 4 to 5 times our number during castle sieges that were bi-monthly as we basically owned the server.

There was no crying about zergs in Lineage2 because good player's don't cry in PVP. The same way they don't cry in baseball, bud.

The ones who don't complain are usually zergs, because they're oblivious to the game mechanics overall, they don't understand builds, burst, sustain etc... then just run in a big group and spam 1 skill and either win via sheer numbers or lose because of sheer numbers.

Hence why you see max cp + high pvp rank ppl who are strangely just bad at the game. I ran into a 1 star cp 750cp sorc today who just spammed vamp drain.

No I'm sorry, while you maybe have some friends you roll with it's clear you've never been in a truly elite PVP guild in a competitive PVP game.

There is no crying in baseball, period.

The penalty of death in PVP in Lineage2 around lvl 65 (10 levels from max of 75) was 3-4% of your xp bar. All of the grinding took place in specific area's that were the best to farm and were hotly contested PVP zones by the best clans in the game. You could spend 10-12 hours in this area and maybe earn 2% of your XP bar. Thus, if you die, even once, you just lost 10+ hours of work. Not to mention if you dropped any of your *** because you had to flag red due to the wonky game mechanics. This created levels of teamwork that is very clear to me you've never experienced just based on your reply.

If you're in a top tier guild, surrounded by other top tier players, the number one consistent thing you will see a lack of is complaining. If you are surrounded by complainers, or you also complain a lot, you're not top tier, and neither are the people you're surrounded by.

We would run COV archer parties of 9 folks with 1 hero that could wipe the tower of 50-60 people by themselves while our clan members took their turn grinding. Please, before we continue this discussion, provide me with one example of you sacrificing 20+ hours of your time to ensure that others get to grind in peace - while you are risking your XP bar or some other valuable resource - in outnumbered PVP.

If you can give me one good example I can take you seriously, if not, you're just a whiner.

montiferus · July 2018

At this point I would settle for the following to improve quality of life for small scale.

1. Fix sprint bug (absolutely kills small scale)
2. Fix the lag (see above)
3. Remove sloads

Even if they could just do this I would be a happy camper. Long term would be good if they could find some way to incentive more map play.

Skoomah · July 2018

Get more friends. Small scale problem solved.

Thogard · July 2018

If Zergs weren’t Zergs, small scalers wouldn’t be small scalers.

Zergs are good for PvP. They are a challenge. Everybody wants to be the hero, and what’s more heroic than the 300 Spartans fighting against the 100,000 man Persian horde?

Zergs give small scalers a chance for greatness.

What small scalers actually complain about are large scalers. Most notably, the ball groups that consist of an organized GM and 11-15 bot accounts programmed with voice-activated macros and the same auto-follow script the gold-farmers use.

There’s a conspiracy theory that some of those bot PCs might be actual people but I have yet to see proof.

ItsNebula · July 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m one of those that always wanted to join the "small-scale" community, but I´ve literally no clue on where to start, and I don´t think I´m alone with this. Whispering random groups with "Hey, u mind if I tag along?" doesn´t feel like the best way to begin tbh, and starting a new group with friends that isn´t too experienced with PvP isn´t enjoyable either. If you read the forum you won´t find any groups/guilds looking for players for small-scale groups

So where does a player like me start looking?

If youre on PC NA send me a mail in game @ Its'Nebula , Rated M for Moist is a really good small scale guild, we can help you get out there

TheDoomsdayMonster · July 2018

IMHO:

1) If you choose to fight out numbered, then you deserve no help from the Developers or anyone else; you picked your fight and now either you are gonna win it or die...

2) If you want balanced small scale, then BG is for you; there is no possibility of you being zerged down and the fighting conditions are equal...

3) If you want open world small scale where you fight outnumbered, then do Imperial City (which is my favorite PvP area); during peak hours (on ps4 at anyrate) you can get good 2v3 or 2v4 battles if you choose to engage; sometimes things get up to 6v10 or numbers similar to that which is a lot of fun...

Once again, if you choose to fight outnumbered for the challenge, then don't beg the Devs for help when you get zerged down...

You choose the fight...period.

If you don't want to be zerged down, then don't engage the zerg; participate in game modes that eliminate the possibility of being zerged down or go to Imperial City where zergs are rare and small group/solo play is common...

And btw, if you stumble into a zerg while in Cyrodiil, then that's on you too as you should have been more aware of whats going on around you and taken the appropriate actions to avoid said zerg...

Qbiken · July 2018

ItsNebula wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m one of those that always wanted to join the "small-scale" community, but I´ve literally no clue on where to start, and I don´t think I´m alone with this. Whispering random groups with "Hey, u mind if I tag along?" doesn´t feel like the best way to begin tbh, and starting a new group with friends that isn´t too experienced with PvP isn´t enjoyable either. If you read the forum you won´t find any groups/guilds looking for players for small-scale groups

So where does a player like me start looking?

If youre on PC NA send me a mail in game @ Its'Nebula , Rated M for Moist is a really good small scale guild, we can help you get out there

PC/EU unfortunately

Thogard · July 2018

ItsNebula wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I´m one of those that always wanted to join the "small-scale" community, but I´ve literally no clue on where to start, and I don´t think I´m alone with this. Whispering random groups with "Hey, u mind if I tag along?" doesn´t feel like the best way to begin tbh, and starting a new group with friends that isn´t too experienced with PvP isn´t enjoyable either. If you read the forum you won´t find any groups/guilds looking for players for small-scale groups

So where does a player like me start looking?

If youre on PC NA send me a mail in game @ Its'Nebula , Rated M for Moist is a really good small scale guild, we can help you get out there

who's the GM?

Gnozo · July 2018

It has been already mentioned: i think bringing back the dynamic ult Generation would have a great impact on this.

Getting more ult based on how many players you hit.

Qbiken · July 2018

Gnozo wrote: »

It has been already mentioned: i think bringing back the dynamic ult Generation would have a great impact on this.

Getting more ult based on how many players you hit.

While I personally didn´t PvP when this was a thing (I was very new to the game back then), all I´ve heard is that it was kind of a broken mechanic and one of the reasons DK´s = Godmode.

TheDoomsdayMonster · July 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

It has been already mentioned: i think bringing back the dynamic ult Generation would have a great impact on this.

Getting more ult based on how many players you hit.

While I personally didn´t PvP when this was a thing (I was very new to the game back then), all I´ve heard is that it was kind of a broken mechanic and one of the reasons DK´s = Godmode.

Yep...

In addition to that, adding dynamic ult would add further strain to the servers which would add more lag...

Add that up and dynamic ult should not be reintroduced to the game...

Biro123 · July 2018

ItsNebula wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Oh and btw, you didn't buy the "zergling" his game, so wtf gives you the right to tell him how to play it.

I paid for all the ESO copies for zerglings

But I paid for yours....

Thogard · July 2018

I’m a zergling this week. Running with up to 11 people lol
But zerging during MYM doesn’t count if you’re still going for fights when you’re outnumbered, right?
Right?

spawn more (grand)overlords.

IlCanis_LupuslI · July 2018

Gnozo wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Smalscalers are the first people to chase you down when solo and the first to run when the same odds are stacked against them. They are also the first to start bagging when they 4v1 someone who beat them in a 1vs1. They are at least on Xbox eu most of the smalscalers are a bunch of salty b*****rds who I don't take seriously.

If they run against same odds they are not smalscalers tbh.

We never try hard solo players or other smalscalers. But if there are "solo" players who always fight next to 20 ppl zerg and then tbag us after the 20v4 ofc, we seek revenge even if they are completly alone.

On PC EU there are a lot of cool solo and smalscale players with honor that we respect and never attack cause it would ruin their time if they fight a zerg and we join the zerg making it impossible for them to handle it.

But ofc there is the other side. "Smalscale" Guilds who run around with 8 ppl group next to the zerg and try harding every solo/smalscaler and tbag after they killed you together with the zerg. Feel free to hate them as everyone does.

@Gnozo those 8 man groups are precisely the ones I'm talking about and the community on PC is more mature then on Console I'm afraid...

Thogard · July 2018

BTW can someone please post a vid of console players small scaling? I’m sensing a lot of extra tension around this topic coming from console people.

I’ve watched some console streamers but I don’t really see smale scale happening. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, just that I haven’t seen it; and I’d like to.

Skoomah · July 2018

Check out Despotic or King of Gamez

ZOS_JesC · July 2018

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