RighteousBacon wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Lol no, cyro is based on big grps, want too run small scale? Do a BG...

No

kaithuzar wrote: »

The-Baconator wrote: »

From someone who really started to drift away from the game back during TG and DB, I don't really get the complaints that the game is stacked so heavily toward larger groups at the moment. Destro ult has been toned down significantly and there are now plenty of viable options on the table for groups of various classes to take 4-5 people and fight +20. No AoE caps for damage while the 6 man cap for healing persists, even though that wasn't\isn't as much of a problem as people think. Solo is another matter entirely, but I would argue that main problem is shared between both playstyles.

Right now I find that it's difficult to get the scale of fights that your looking for everyone in pretty much every setting. For solo maybe you want 3-5 players that aren't completely incompetent while in a 5 man group you want a 24 man pug or 8-15 players that have some clue what they're doing depending on how decent they are. The problem isn't the balance between the scenarios, as in can group X counter bigger group Y, but that group X struggles to get fights of that scale consistently. When you're solo and get hunted down by +10 players or when you're in a 4-5 man group you regularly have two full groups end up on top of you. These are odds that I think most people would concede should almost certainly fall in favor of the zerg the majority of the time, with the possibility of pulling a miracle off every now and then. This is really part of the essence\fun of an open world PvP setting, sometimes you bite off more than you can chew and end up pulling off a crazy win or dying horribly, that's just how it is. In my mind the real question that ZOS needs to answer is what changes can they make to make it easier to find fights of a reasonable scale in Cyrodiil more reliably, rather than making it easier to take 5 people and wipe 50.

On that end they really need to rethink the way players are incentivized to act\play in Cyrodiil, specifically how drastically inflated the AP players get when they both taking and defending a keep successfully, ie win. For an average players\group, when putting up a good fight against an even opponent but loosing rewards you with nothing but a measly amount of AP and an unwanted horse ride while winning nets you what's probably around +10x they ap you would get for loosing along with the general feeling of winning, they will choose the option that maximizes wins and limits the chances of loosing. Considering most players in Cyrodiil, certainly those playing the map, are of a similar skill level this means the best way to ensure you get the best result possible is only fight when you outnumber someone enough that you know you'll probably win. If ZOS for example would actually incentivize players that aren't in the elite portion of the player base to actually look for fights that are semi challenges (for them) through things like AP\tick changes.

Additionally it wouldn't hurt for them to give the patriots of the three alliances reasons to actually think, "We can't port up to Arrius and zerg those 5 guys at the mine, we're about to steal a scroll!" I miss the days when someone popping a gate and going for a scroll was an event of potential dethrone level interest for both of the alliances involved rather a quick trot to pick up a nearly undefended scroll or a quick siege on a keep that was only taken by a single group for the O-tick. Giving larger groups something to go after besides AP and small scallers they have beef with would do wonders to open up new opportunities for fights for everyone.

While I didn’t read everything,

Your comment inspired an idea.
WHAT IF...

There was a mode of Cyrodiil that you COULD NOT QUEUE into?!?!

It’s a “ranked campaign”, no matter if you are in a group or solo, you kills vs deaths in the other campaigns are on a counter/timer which would eventually allow you into the “boosted/final campaign”, better rewards, get the title of the best pvper, & it’s tied to a timer, so you have to maintain the ability to continue playing in that campaign as players are rotated out.
Oh you haven’t been online for 48-72 hours, gotta improve/demonstrate a valid kill vs death (kdr) ratio!

If ZOS wanted, this “final competitive pvp mode could even be in the imperial city”!
There would need to be discussion over whether the pve mobs were removed or not, but how cool would it be to instead of having mobs, have traps?
Pvp/1vX where there is a random swinging scythe or a trap door #fall damage, etc...

How does this sound?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

-Kai

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The biggest problem in ESO is the main DPS source is AoE abilities+Ultis.

Zerglings spam their healing springs and purge kiting around keep walls until their AoE ultis are up,then they charge the random soloers + smallscalers and repeat. The funniest thing is i dont see many organized zergs going VS organized zerg, they avoid each other masterfully and they insist on farming pugs smallscales and zergs of unbuffed LA bowmen.
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I haven't really entered Cyrodiil for months before the event, but I ran with a guild recruiting in chat on Saturday. They ran pretty tightly grouped and I was suprised that they would aggressively burned down much larger hoards that outnumbered us. I suppose we would have melted if the larger zerg was coordinated, but they weren't -- which is why they are zerg. What was challenging was another group doing the same thing as us, which we didn't try to avoid at all; but we did try to get them to burn their ults too early and we avoided potential choke points and eventually killed them when we got them from an angle that surprised them.

Organized zerg doesn't sound like zerg to me. In fact, I don't even know if the large groups we melted were organized groups or not because I am not in their group. I do know that they ran through POIs pretty close to one another and at the same time in the same direction.

Sounds like you are mis-characterizing what organized groups are doing because it isn't what you like to do.